64.1% = Josh Allen's completion percentage through 3 games

[Bookie Man]

Seems to get better week to week, which is very encouraging.

[Rc2catch]

58 minutes ago, McBean said:

Buuuuut, did we take the right Josh?

Your job depends on it ??

[transplantbillsfan]

11 minutes ago, MJS said:

No, they'll say that somehow Allen has improved his accuracy and that Daboll must be a QB whisperer, when in actuality Josh never had an accuracy problem. He just had scheme, support, and decision making problems. Well those are mostly fixed this year and suddenly Josh has a good completion percentage.

 

I do think people will jump on his band wagon, but they will still be convinced that they were correct and that somehow Josh got better.

[Captain Caveman]

Having receivers who catch balls makes a BIG difference.

[Rc2catch]

1 hour ago, Ray Finkel said:

I would like to see him improve on the long ball.  He had Brown open by 4 yards and overthrew him.  Hopefully he starts to put a little more air under it.

Got to give your guy a shot at least. You can see plays he’s using some

touch on his throws which is an improvement cause he didn’t do that a lot last year. But a ball like that is a gimme. You know they’ve practiced it a million times and nailed those throws. He must of just gotten so excited he let it rip. Not many quarterbacks have to take something off on a 50 yard bomb 

[HOUSE]

3 hours ago, BillsRdue said:

 

Some biased reporters never will admit it. They will stay on the Josh sucks bandwagon.

Edited September 16, 2019 by HOUSE

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, Captain Caveman said:

Having receivers who catch balls makes a BIG difference.

It seems so simple, huh? Last year we had atrocious blocking, atrocious receiving, atrocious running game, atrocious TE play, and some pretty bad coaching.

[PlayoffsPlease]

At this point Allen is clearly among the top 10 QBs in the league. 

[Peter]

Josh is developing very nicely. I have very few complaints.  I think it also helps that he has Ken Dorsey as his coach - not to mention Barkley supporting him.

 

As someone who was very skeptical about drafting him, I think that he has taken a huge step from last year and should only get better.

[jimmy10]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Please don't hold Allen to a higher standard than any other NFL QB. 65% is considered good.  Every QB has some bad throws in any game.

 

Some of Eli’s throws today make me think he needs a memory care workup. 

[stinky finger]

44 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

He has to keep it up.

 

Ok - I'll tell him.

44 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

It seems they have been quiet recently, just waiting in the woods to let us hear from them.  Give it time.....

 

Was thinking the same. Where are the detractors?

[jimmy10]

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

 

 

Was thinking the same. Where are the detractors?

 

Just waiting for one bad day to say “I told you so!” 

 

There will be ups and downs, but I like the trajectory! Early season last year, to late season last year, to this season.....things are pointing in the right direction. GO JOSH! 

[Nihilarian]

Whats funny is that 90% of this board hated the Allen pick because he had supposed accuracy issues and so many stated that accuracy can't be fixed. They kept bringing up guys like Kyle Boller as proof that they can't succeed.

 

Anyway, I'm just happy to see him developing so quickly and he is looking like that franchise QB Bills fans have been dreaming about since Kelly. 

[Kirby Jackson]

Haven’t read the thread but I’m (gasp) with Jeremy White on this. I really don’t care (even a little) what Josh’s completion percentage is. 3rd downs, TD to Turnover (including rushing) and red zone efficiency is all that I care about. I’m happy with the progress of Josh. He looks like a guy and it’s been a generation since we could say that.  He looks like the guy that we’ve been looking for and I couldn’t be happier.

Edited September 16, 2019 by Kirby Jackson

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Haven’t read the thread but I’m (gasp) with Jeremy White on this. I really don’t care (even a little) what Josh’s completion percentage is. 3rd downs, TD to Turnover (including rushing) and red zone efficiency is all that I care about. I’m happy with the progress of Josh. He looks like a guy and it’s been a generation since we could say that.  He looks like the guys that we’ve been looking for and I couldn’t be happier.

Out of context, completion percentage is a worthless stat.

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

Out of context, completion percentage is a worthless stat.

They were talking about it early on the pregame show today and used Cam as the example. He won an MVP at 59% and had the worst year of his career at 68%. It’s a totally worthless stat because so many factors count. Trent Edwards probably could have completed 75% but it would have been awful. 

[thebandit27]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They were talking about it early on the pregame show today and used Cam as the example. He won an MVP at 59% and had the worst year of his career at 68%. It’s a totally worthless stat because so many factors count. Trent Edwards probably could have completed 75% but it would have been awful. 

 

Yep.

 

That's why leading up to the 2018 draft, I repeatedly said that you just gotta grind the game video on Josh. The "he's inaccurate" narrative took on a life of its own before most people had really watched the kid.

[Kelly the Dog]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They were talking about it early on the pregame show today and used Cam as the example. He won an MVP at 59% and had the worst year of his career at 68%. It’s a totally worthless stat because so many factors count. Trent Edwards probably could have completed 75% but it would have been awful. 

He doesn't throw screen passes or many bubble screens like most every other QB. If he only did that he would have more than 5% better, which has nothing to do with accuracy.

[Franco_92]

His growth from week 2 of last season to now is honestly staggering. I don't think we could have reasonably asked for more. 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The one in the endzone to Zay was not a drop. It was a slighty off target throw but it was an ad lib play by both at that point I think from a first look not really on either of them. 

 

I think the only "got to have that" drop today was Knox. 

Maybe the low deep throw to Foster. Almost got his arms under it.  Kelly wasn't over 60% until year 4....

[Sherlock Holmes]

2 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

101.1 passer rating today too. 

But when is he going to be a + 65% completion QB?? What about his accuracy???!!!!

[SJDK]

I couldn’t be happier with Josh. His development supplements his intangibles. First time we actually went for the quarterback that I was hoping for in the draft. He has what we’ve needed and he’s going to get better.

Edited September 16, 2019 by SJDK
*in the draft

[Kelly the Dog]

The Falcons and Eagles are playing now. Ryan and Wentz are allegedly a couple of the better QBs. In one half they have both thrown as many errant passes as Josh did the entire game.

[PromoTheRobot]

11 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Yep.

 

That's why leading up to the 2018 draft, I repeatedly said that you just gotta grind the game video on Josh. The "he's inaccurate" narrative took on a life of its own before most people had really watched the kid.

 

And it lives in.

[Doc]

I honestly didn’t care if Josh was even below 60%. He’s got an arm and legs that can make up for the occasional misfire. But glad to see he’s well above 60% so far. 

Edited September 16, 2019 by Doc

[downunderbill]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

Just waiting for one bad day to say “I told you so!” 

 

There will be ups and downs, but I like the trajectory! Early season last year, to late season last year, to this season.....things are pointing in the right direction. GO JOSH! 

 

Seems like that movement is slowly switching to the coach being too conservative.

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, downunderbill said:

 

Seems like that movement is slowly switching to the coach being too conservative.

 

Yeah, any attempt to prove a negative point. Do they remember last week when we came out with 18 consecutive passes? 

 

I was traveling and got that text from a friend. I thought it was a typo! 

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

Whats funny is that 90% of this board hated the Allen pick because he had supposed accuracy issues and so many stated that accuracy can't be fixed. They kept bringing up guys like Kyle Boller as proof that they can't succeed.

 

Anyway, I'm just happy to see him developing so quickly and he is looking like that franchise QB Bills fans have been dreaming about since Kelly. 

This is the difference between a stat sheet & film.  The Bills had Allen rated the top QB in the draft last year (remember the leaked draft board I posted last week & others did before me) because they studied him on film, talked intensely with him & didn't worry what was on a piece of paper or a computer screen when they had a pretty good idea that his stats didn't tell the story professional scouting did.  It's pretty obvious that Allen was going top 10 in the draft because there were other professionals who also saw the same things the Bills did.  There was direct competition for Allen by Arizona (We Won!) and who knows what other teams were lurking if the Bills didn't have the best trade up ammo.  

 

Also, anyone who watched the Bills last year knew how dreadful the players were around Allen.  A terrible O-line, a weak group of receivers (especially at the start of the season prior to Foster & McKenzie providing a little better options in the 2nd half of the season, a bad group of TEs & outside of an aging McCoy, who couldn't do anything last year, a bad group of RBs.  So with a revamped offense, now Allen actually has some players to work with.  Anyone (Especially YOU clown Mike Francesa) who didn't watch any Bills games and then went on the air proclaiming Allen an inaccurate joke based on his 2018 completion % should be begging anyone from Bills Mafia to the Pegulas to accept their humble apology.  (Yes I know it's only 2 games but I'm not coming down off this cloud this week) 

Edited September 16, 2019 by Albany,n.y.

[VW82]

I don't understand this post. Josh had a really good game today -- can't we just leave it at that?

 

64% and 7.6 YPA are average for an NFL QB. He also has four TOVs through two games not counting the should-have-been-strip sack today and dropped pick and called back INT in game one. Josh had accuracy issues on several throws today just as he did in week one, and in each of the three preseason games too. It should be obvious to anyone who's watched him play he has intermittent problems with accuracy. Why do we need to bend the truth and pretend like that doesn't exist? There's more than enough to like about him already that we don't need to do that. 

 

I was thoroughly impressed with Allen's play today. It showed that he's improving and that he has a tonne of potential. It did not prove that everyone has been wrong all along about his various bugaboos.  

Edited September 16, 2019 by VW82

[Albany,n.y.]

1 minute ago, VW82 said:

I don't understand this post. Josh had a really good game today -- can't we just leave it at that?

 

64% and 7.6 YPA are average for an NFL QB. He also has four TOVs through two games not counting the should-have-been-strip sack today and dropped pick and called back INT in game one. Josh had accuracy issues on several throws today just as he did in week one, and in each of the three preseason games too. It should be obvious to anyone who's watched him play he has intermittent problems with accuracy. Why do we need to bend the truth and pretend like that doesn't exist? There's more than enough to like about him already so we don't need to do that. 

 

I was thoroughly impressed with Allen's play today. It showed that he's improving and that he has a tonne of potential. It did not prove that everyone has been wrong all along about his various bugaboos.  

Show me one NFL QB who doesn't miss on some throws.  Go back and watch the HOF QBs- they all miss throws.  Imagine if your QB threw 3 INTs on the 1st 3 series of a game.  Well that's what Jim Kelly did one Monday night vs Cincinnati, but he sucked it up, the D played great & the Bills won the game easily.  Remember when Jim Kelly went to Pittsburgh & KC for what seemed like his yearly butt kicking by the opposing D.  The same guy who was a 1st ballot HOF QB!  

'You're nitpicking 2 winning performances.  

[dakrider]

He has better receivers than last year, and is throwing higher percentage passes like most NFL QB's throw.  And he's not forcing as much as last year either, such as ignoring the short pass and looking for the big play each down.  All that together and Bills now have a good offense that can move the ball and score.  Just converting on 3rd down is a major factor in the NFL.  

[Dr.Sack]

Allen’s approach taking things week by week is awesome. He’s not an overly emotional player and he seems to weather the highs and lows quite well. 

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

Whats funny is that 90% of this board hated the Allen pick because he had supposed accuracy issues and so many stated that accuracy can't be fixed. They kept bringing up guys like Kyle Boller as proof that they can't succeed.

 

Anyway, I'm just happy to see him developing so quickly and he is looking like that franchise QB Bills fans have been dreaming about since Kelly. 

 

I was one of them.

 

Crow tastes delicious.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, VW82 said:

I don't understand this post. Josh had a really good game today -- can't we just leave it at that?

 

64% and 7.6 YPA are average for an NFL QB. He also has four TOVs through two games not counting the should-have-been-strip sack today and dropped pick and called back INT in game one. Josh had accuracy issues on several throws today just as he did in week one, and in each of the three preseason games too. It should be obvious to anyone who's watched him play he has intermittent problems with accuracy. Why do we need to bend the truth and pretend like that doesn't exist? There's more than enough to like about him already that we don't need to do that. 

 

I was thoroughly impressed with Allen's play today. It showed that he's improving and that he has a tonne of potential. It did not prove that everyone has been wrong all along about his various bugaboos.  

 

No, ultimately his bugaboos are just no worse or different from the typical NFL Franchise QB, all of whom have occasionally spotty accuracy and turn the ball over.

 

It's not saying they aren't things to work on, it's that he's not unique in that sense.

Edited September 16, 2019 by transplantbillsfan

[MDH]

So wait, is completion percentage important now? When Allen is 52% it doesn’t matter but if he’s 64% it’s suddenly an important stat? 

 

Can’t have it both ways.

[Bangarang]

27 minutes ago, MDH said:

So wait, is completion percentage important now? When Allen is 52% it doesn’t matter but if he’s 64% it’s suddenly an important stat? 

 

Can’t have it both ways.

 

Yep, that’s essentially how it works. Pretty soon 300 yard passing games will start to matter too

2 hours ago, VW82 said:

I don't understand this post. Josh had a really good game today -- can't we just leave it at that?

 

64% and 7.6 YPA are average for an NFL QB. He also has four TOVs through two games not counting the should-have-been-strip sack today and dropped pick and called back INT in game one. Josh had accuracy issues on several throws today just as he did in week one, and in each of the three preseason games too. It should be obvious to anyone who's watched him play he has intermittent problems with accuracy. Why do we need to bend the truth and pretend like that doesn't exist? There's more than enough to like about him already that we don't need to do that. 

 

I was thoroughly impressed with Allen's play today. It showed that he's improving and that he has a tonne of potential. It did not prove that everyone has been wrong all along about his various bugaboos.  

 

Since you claim there were several can you give us examples of the throws he had accuracy issues on?

[transplantbillsfan]

33 minutes ago, MDH said:

So wait, is completion percentage important now? When Allen is 52% it doesn’t matter but if he’s 64% it’s suddenly an important stat? 

 

Can’t have it both ways.

 

It matters and mattered as a team stat.

 

A handful of posters viewed it as the definition of accuracy.

[WideNine]

28 minutes ago, MDH said:

So wait, is completion percentage important now? When Allen is 52% it doesn’t matter but if he’s 64% it’s suddenly an important stat? 

 

Can’t have it both ways.

 

The point is that it is just a stat, without understanding or watching film it does not tell the whole story. It didn't last year, and it doesn't now.

 

Most of the voices of reason here simply said that when Josh started reading defenses better, and taking some of the easy throws underneath with anticipation, and with a better supporting cast the % would naturally increase. There were a few stubborn individuals that acted like he had a bent barrel and would be lucky to break 60%.

 

He is just talented kid with a big arm that many accepted would need time and patience to develop into an NFL QB. Some here rushed to early judgement and they may end up having to be ok with the Bills having a talented QB who has yet to reach his full potential, but one that is getting better each game as he sees how teams scheme against him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[26TrapDraw]

6 hours ago, DuckyBoys said:

He threw some ropes today moving to his right that few qbs can make  Only bad throw I can recall was throwing behind Zay on the crosser  He is getting better week to week

Crosser? Is that when Zay was the bottle cap or the stick. ?