Singletary Update??

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

So, CB, would you then be comfortable in saying...

 

 

(wait for it)

 

 

 

(wait for it)

 

 

 

...he Gored them in short yardage situations?!

 

 

 

I know...I'm a moron.

 

Yes, and he is running with the "buffaloes".

 

 

[MDH]

20 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I hear ya, but I just don’t think Gore has looked like a RB we can lean on for 20 carries a game. 

 

Ideally the Bills will keep moving the split up until it's somewhere around 10-15 for each guy. They're a nice, complimentary duo and I think it's better to ease Singletary  in this year and then let him completely take over next year.

[snafu]

16 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

I disagree. I think their vision is similar to me

 

Wow, you've got the vision of an NFL running back? Kudos, bro!!

 

[Big Blitz]

I'm sure someone posted this somewhere but this is the most violent 1 yard TD run I've ever seen.  

 

Can someone please dub JR's voice to this:

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

18 hours ago, CommonCents said:

You honestly don’t think he pulled his hamstring? Or you just messing around? 

 

 

He was just acting giddy because he was thrilled that the Bills beat the Giants and his nemesis Ric Ocasek finally passed on the same weekend...........he really holds grudges.

[Patrick Duffy]

40 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

Wow, you've got the vision of an NFL running back? Kudos, bro!!

 

 

It's quite obvious I'm talking about the way the two RBs tend to hit the hole quickly.(which is RB's vision) Pretty stupid remark by you. But kudos to you too bro for the silly post.

Edited September 16, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy

[Lurker]

36 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

I'm sure someone posted this somewhere but this is the most violent 1 yard TD run I've ever seen.  

 

Can someone please dub JR's voice to this:

 

 

 

That's a 16-year veteran welcoming a rookie LB to the NFL...

[Alphadawg7]

40 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

Ideally the Bills will keep moving the split up until it's somewhere around 10-15 for each guy. They're a nice, complimentary duo and I think it's better to ease Singletary  in this year and then let him completely take over next year.

 

I was referencing if Singletary had to miss an extended amount of time.  I’m fine with the two splitting carries, just would be worried if we had to lean on Gore more if Singletary had to miss time with this hammy injury. 

[snafu]

3 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

 

It's quite obvious I'm talking about the way the two RBs tend to hit the hole quickly.(which is RB's vision) Pretty stupid remark by you. But kudos to you too bro for the silly post.

 

No *****, Sherlock.

 

 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, snafu said:

 

No *****, Sherlock.

 

 

 

Oh you get it now? Didn't seem that way with your post.

[Phil The Thrill]

24 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

 

 

 

McDermott is measured in his words.  Day-to-day means he’ll probably play Sunday. 

[snafu]

Just now, Patrick_Duffy said:

Oh you get it now? Didn't seem that way with your post.

 

I was making a joke based upon your putrid grammar.  I got what you were trying to say.

And by the way, Singletary's style is nothing like Jackson's.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I was referencing if Singletary had to miss an extended amount of time.  I’m fine with the two splitting carries, just would be worried if we had to lean on Gore more if Singletary had to miss time with this hammy injury. 

I’d wish they’d use Yeldon a little more. Especially as a receiver out the backfield. I’d rather see him than Dimarco 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

McDermott is measured in his words.  Day-to-day means he’ll probably play Sunday. 

That would be my guess 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

I was making a joke based upon your putrid grammar.  I got what you were trying to say.

And by the way, Singletary's style is nothing like Jackson's.

 

Well you failed miserably at that. And yeah I disagree. I think they way they find the lane and break tackles make them similar. So just disagree then

Edited September 16, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy

[SloanBillsFan]

On 9/15/2019 at 4:31 PM, Philo Beddoe said:

 

So rest him for Cincy sounds like? Probably don't need him anyway, Bengals defense not looking sharp to start the season.

One of the things I love most about the current culture of the Bills is that they take nothing for granted. I know Cinci isn't anything resembling a power house but almost (almost) any NFL team is capable of pulling one out of its butt every so often. The Bills did it vs the Vikings last year. 

 

McBeane & Co don't allow themselves the luxury of considering any opponent a "gimme". That's why this team is going to be very special. 

[Alphadawg7]

5 minutes ago, the skycap said:

I’d wish they’d use Yeldon a little more. Especially as a receiver out the backfield. I’d rather see him than Dimarco 

 

Me too, Yeldon really looked like a weapon at times in preseason, so be nice to see him get more looks as a receiving back to see what he can do.

[section122]

13 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Except that’s not how he’s been used.  He’s been used like any other RB, not just tough short situations.  He had 19 carries on Sunday and yet we had very few down and short scenarios.  

 

I get get what you are saying, but that is just not accurate on how he’s been used or why his ypc is bad to start the year.  

 

His rushes yesterday:

4,4,1,8,9,4,8,2,4 this is into the 3rd quarter

0,1,1 all 3 of these carries were at the goal line 

3,3,9,3,6,-2 all when the giants knew we were trying to kill clock

 

At the start of the game he went 9 carries for 44 yards or 4.88 ypc. For the game when you add in the clock killing runs and the goal line runs his average goes way down to 3.77.  3 carries for 2 yards will really bring down an average but none of us should care since it got a td.  

 

Down and short scenarios:

He got 8 yards on 2nd and 7 first down

He got 9 yards on first and 10,

4 yards on 2nd and 1 first down

8 yards on first and 15

4 yards on 2nd and 1, first down

9 yards on 2nd and 8, first down

6 yards on 2nd and 7

 

That is 7 of his rushes either getting a first down or creating very manageable down and distance.  I even left of the first down rushes for 4 yards which created 2nd and 6 which I would count as a productive run.

 

I stand by my original assertion that ypc won't be a good indicator for him in a lot of games.  He was successful at the start of the game and in the middle of the field. 

 

[Don Otreply]

11 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

I was making a joke based upon your putrid grammar.  I got what you were trying to say.

And by the way, Singletary's style is nothing like Jackson's.

 

He said “vision” (as in seeing the field) not “style” (being running style) two different words with different meanings, if you’re gonna get grammar picky... ya gotta be able to follow the sentence wording. Now go have a beer ?? and chill out bro, no pouting allowed ?

 

Go Bills!!!

[The Frankish Reich]

16 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

His rushes yesterday:

4,4,1,8,9,4,8,2,4 this is into the 3rd quarter

0,1,1 all 3 of these carries were at the goal line 

3,3,9,3,6,-2 all when the giants knew we were trying to kill clock

 

At the start of the game he went 9 carries for 44 yards or 4.88 ypc. For the game when you add in the clock killing runs and the goal line runs his average goes way down to 3.77.  3 carries for 2 yards will really bring down an average but none of us should care since it got a td.  

 

Down and short scenarios:

He got 8 yards on 2nd and 7 first down

He got 9 yards on first and 10,

4 yards on 2nd and 1 first down

8 yards on first and 15

4 yards on 2nd and 1, first down

9 yards on 2nd and 8, first down

6 yards on 2nd and 7

 

That is 7 of his rushes either getting a first down or creating very manageable down and distance.  I even left of the first down rushes for 4 yards which created 2nd and 6 which I would count as a productive run.

 

I stand by my original assertion that ypc won't be a good indicator for him in a lot of games.  He was successful at the start of the game and in the middle of the field. 

 

Bad O line and all that, but if you look at Shady’s game logs last year you’ll see a bunch of negative yardage runs - probably the primary reason they decided to bring in Gore. You don’t sustain drives by moving backwards. 

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

I'm sure someone posted this somewhere but this is the most violent 1 yard TD run I've ever seen.  

 

Can someone please dub JR's voice to this:

 

 

I love me some Frank Gore. 

[SJDK]

“Day to day”

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, section122 said:

 

His rushes yesterday:

4,4,1,8,9,4,8,2,4 this is into the 3rd quarter

0,1,1 all 3 of these carries were at the goal line 

3,3,9,3,6,-2 all when the giants knew we were trying to kill clock

 

At the start of the game he went 9 carries for 44 yards or 4.88 ypc. For the game when you add in the clock killing runs and the goal line runs his average goes way down to 3.77.  3 carries for 2 yards will really bring down an average but none of us should care since it got a td.  

 

Down and short scenarios:

He got 8 yards on 2nd and 7 first down

He got 9 yards on first and 10,

4 yards on 2nd and 1 first down

8 yards on first and 15

4 yards on 2nd and 1, first down

9 yards on 2nd and 8, first down

6 yards on 2nd and 7

 

That is 7 of his rushes either getting a first down or creating very manageable down and distance.  I even left of the first down rushes for 4 yards which created 2nd and 6 which I would count as a productive run.

 

I stand by my original assertion that ypc won't be a good indicator for him in a lot of games.  He was successful at the start of the game and in the middle of the field. 

 

 

Again, this is the same for all primary RBs.  They all run at end of games to chew clock, they all get short yardage situations...they still finish with better than 4 ypc.  He is at 2.8 ypc on the year with his best day at 3.6 ypc.  Are you going to go now and back out all short yardage and clock chewing carries from all other primary RBs?  If you did there would be a heck of a lot of them who average 5 ypc or more then.  

 

I like Gore being here, not about that, but I’m still concerned about him being a big part of the offense.  He looks slower than he did last year so far IMO.  And Singletary has been a substantial spark to our offense both weeks.

 

Im fine with Gore being out there and in a rotation, but I wouldn’t feel good about the idea of having to lean on him if Singletary is out a while.  He could still get rolling more, just commenting on what we have seen from him thus far.  

Edited September 16, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Punching Bag]

On 9/15/2019 at 4:40 PM, Steptide said:

Imo singletary should be carrying the ball 15-20 times per game. Don't know why he's not 

 

Considering he only got one partial season of NFL nutrition and training I think using him less often is wiser but run him until he pukes if you want.

 

The NFL season is a lot longer than college especially in playoffs are involved.

On 9/15/2019 at 4:54 PM, Bills2ref said:

I am actually on the opposite spectrum. If you rest him against Cincinnati, rest him against New England. The odds of winning that game is so slim, no reason to rush him back for it. 

 

What a good idea!  The Bills treat it like a preseason game, not do any planning and allow P*ts to bring any extra recording gear they want.

[Punching Bag]

16 hours ago, BeefCurtns said:

He looked like toast when he buried his shoulder in that linebackers chest and bulldozed into the endzone for sure.

 

He looked like a toaster not toast.

[Lurker]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Me too, Yeldon really looked like a weapon at times in preseason, so be nice to see him get more looks as a receiving back to see what he can do.

 

IMO, Yeldon has one skill set--receiving--so you'd basically be tipping your hand as to what the play is.   

 

I'd rather spread the field and run four WRs, like they've been doing a lot of this year....

[Punching Bag]

4 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

IMO, Yeldon has one skill set--receiving--so you'd basically be tipping your hand as to what the play is.   

 

I'd rather spread the field and run four WRs, like they've been doing a lot of this year....

 

He does have some skill at running although probably not as good as our QB.  I wonder how good his arm is on a flea flicker to Allen.

Rushing & Receiving

					Games		Rushing							Receiving										Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Rush	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
Career
2015	22	JAX	RB	24	12	12	182	740	2	45	4.1	61.7	15.2	46	36	279	7.8	1	67	3.0	23.3	78.3%	6.1	218	4.7	1019	3	0	7
2016	23	JAX	RB	24	15	13	130	465	1	16	3.6	31.0	8.7	68	50	312	6.2	1	17	3.3	20.8	73.5%	4.6	180	4.3	777	2	2	5
2017	24	JAX		24	10	0	49	253	2	58	5.2	25.3	4.9	41	30	224	7.5	0	20	3.0	22.4	73.2%	5.5	79	6.0	477	2	2	3
2018	25	JAX	rb	24	14	5	104	414	1	20	4.0	29.6	7.4	78	55	487	8.9	4	37	3.9	34.8	70.5%	6.2	159	5.7	901	5	1	5
2019	26	BUF		22	2	0	0	0	0	0		0.0	0.0											0		0	0	0

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

McDermott is measured in his words.  Day-to-day means he’ll probably play Sunday. 

Pretty sure he said that the last few weeks about Andre Roberts and Taron Johnson.

[bilzfancy]

1 hour ago, SJDK said:

“Day to day”

Aren't we all? ?

[ColoradoBills]

47 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Again, this is the same for all primary RBs.  They all run at end of games to chew clock, they all get short yardage situations...they still finish with better than 4 ypc.  He is at 2.8 ypc on the year with his best day at 3.6 ypc.  Are you going to go now and back out all short yardage and clock chewing carries from all other primary RBs?  If you did there would be a heck of a lot of them who average 5 ypc or more then.  

 

I like Gore being here, not about that, but I’m still concerned about him being a big part of the offense.  He looks slower than he did last year so far IMO.  And Singletary has been a substantial spark to our offense both weeks.

 

Im fine with Gore being out there and in a rotation, but I wouldn’t feel good about the idea of having to lean on him if Singletary is out a while.  He could still get rolling more, just commenting on what we have seen from him thus far.  

 

Currently Gore and Singletary are splitting snaps (Devin with a few more).  Gore is taking all the tougher rushing situations.

I agree about Gore not being in a position to take the bulk of snaps as a good idea if Devin is out for a while.

I'm sure that will not be the plan.

[GoBills808]

Guys he just called and told me he's fine so no need to panic ok

[njbuff]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Guys he just called and told me he's fine so no need to panic ok

 

Are you his mom?

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

Aren't we all? ?

Minute to minute, baby! Take nothing for granted! 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

 

Are you his mom?

He looks young enough that his mom MIGHT be following him around lol

 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Bad O line and all that, but if you look at Shady’s game logs last year you’ll see a bunch of negative yardage runs - probably the primary reason they decided to bring in Gore. You don’t sustain drives by moving backwards. 

I love me some Frank Gore. 

 

 

I have a fairly simple analysis that I go off for modern RB's.........if you can't expect to get well over league average ypa(4.2) from a heavy use RB then that RB better be exacting a toll on the defense.

 

Shady didn't hand out any punishment and averaged less than league average ypa the last two seasons..........something had to give.

 

Gore last year had a "big" uptick in ypa for his standard but he also wasn't getting goal line and short yardage carries like he was at other stops..........so this game yesterday really was a quintessential late career Frank Gore game...........you need 10 yards he'll get you 4-5.........you need 1 yard he'll get you 1 and a half........he's a grinder does all the little things well and brings toughness and other intangibles.    Great role model for Singletary.

 

Gore is also good in the snow..........had a helluva game with over 100 yards versus the Bills in the snow game in 2017 for the Colts.

[John from Riverside]

6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I have a fairly simple analysis that I go off for modern RB's.........if you can't expect to get well over league average ypa(4.2) from a heavy use RB then that RB better be exacting a toll on the defense.

 

Shady didn't hand out any punishment and averaged less than league average ypa the last two seasons..........something had to give.

 

Gore last year had a "big" uptick in ypa for his standard but he also wasn't getting goal line and short yardage carries like he was at other stops..........so this game yesterday really was a quintessential late career Frank Gore game...........you need 10 yards he'll get you 4-5.........you need 1 yard he'll get you 1 and a half........he's a grinder does all the little things well and brings toughness and other intangibles.    Great role model for Singletary.

 

Gore is also good in the snow..........had a helluva game with over 100 yards versus the Bills in the snow game in 2017 for the Colts.

Also very good in blitz pick up

[Hebert19]

21 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Also very good in blitz pick up

And does not fumble. 

 

And singletary is split wide a lot.  

[Punching Bag]

1 minute ago, Hebert19 said:

And does not fumble. 

 

And singletary is split wide a lot.  

 

Gore was credited with 46 fumbles in 14 years (I did not count this year) with 95 TDs.  It did not list how many of his own fumbles he recovered which happens for RBs occasionally with ball popping out and then RB grabbing it as he went down.

[stinky finger]

On 9/15/2019 at 4:31 PM, Philo Beddoe said:

 

So rest him for Cincy sounds like? Probably don't need him anyway, Bengals defense not looking sharp to start the season.

 

Be careful, now.

[Philo]

13 hours ago, SloanBillsFan said:

One of the things I love most about the current culture of the Bills is that they take nothing for granted. I know Cinci isn't anything resembling a power house but almost (almost) any NFL team is capable of pulling one out of its butt every so often. The Bills did it vs the Vikings last year. 

 

McBeane & Co don't allow themselves the luxury of considering any opponent a "gimme". That's why this team is going to be very special. 

 

I absolutely agree. I love Singletary and want him to be healthy. My point was that if he needs to rest a game to get 100% healthy, then I'm more comfortable with that being against the Bengals than some other teams on our schedule. Hopefully Yeldon can step up and Kroft/Roberts could be back as well to help offset Singletary's production.