9/15 Bills at Giants Postgame Thread

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Frank is a beast !!! Was a little wrecking ball today. Love how he ran that guy over to score.

 

 

 

[stevewin]

59 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said:

I just thought about Primetime coming back tonight and Berman talking Bills?

I was excited too - but then saw it's ESPN+ which I think is subscription

[GoBills808]

Real mfing NFL QB yeh boy 

[Warcodered]

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Real mfing NFL QB yeh boy 

 

Hell yeah !! Allen is legit, and im just guessing, but i bet his complication percentage was 70%.

 

we finally have the real deal at QB and the next 15-20 yrs are going to be great and those who cant see that are willingly ignorant.

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

Here are some random comments on this game:

 

*  Get used to what we did in the 3rd quarter because when we're on the road in the 2nd half up by 2 scores we're not going to hand a team a score by being overly aggressive on offense.  This is how the Bills are built.  Great defense that is very difficult to drive 75 yards for a TD on.  Now once the lead is cut to one score then they take the shackles off and get more aggressive on offense.  At home though, look for the Bills to go for the kill when they get up by 10 - 14 points.

 

*  Allen was superb today.  The growth we're seeing in this kid from game to game is astonishing.  He threw 30 passes and had only 2 bad throws - the deep overthrow to Brown and the quick slant to Foster.  He had a couple of smart throw away passes and about 15 perfect throws all over the field.  Allen has shown me through just two games that he can make EVERY throw accurately now.  Think about that for a moment - he is accurately throwing EVERY type of pass.  Allen's accuracy "issues" have officially entered the land of make believe. Allen is accurate.

 

*  On the topic of Allen, that TD drive in the 4th quarter after the Giants had cut the lead to 7 was a thing of beauty.  The 3rd down conversion where Allen put a move on a Giants defensive lineman to get outside would have made Thurman Thomas proud.  And the throw was a carbon copy of a whole bunch of clutch passes he threw while on the run at Wyoming.

 

*  On the topic of the O-line I thought they struggled at times and the false start penalties contributed to our lackluster 3rd quarter.  BUT, Mitch Morse is an awesome center.  His downfield run blocking is amazing and have you noticed that there isn't a lot of immediate pressure on Allen up the middle.

 

*  Beasley & Brown have been amazing through 2 games.  And was it me or did Zay Jones drop a great TD throw by Allen? 

 

*  Dawson Knox had a highlight reel block on McKenzie's TD.

 

*  Edmunds is very close to becoming a dominant middle LB.  That almost pick six was incredible for what it showed about our 250 pound MLB's athleticism & speed.  Truly awesome.

 

* As far as playing 4 great quarters?  Do people watch any other NFL games?  I mean KC was down 10 - 0 in the 1st quarter to Oakland! 

 

*  One final thought - going back to last weeks 4th quarter performance our offense has looked very explosive.  With 9 new guys and a 2nd year QB they have the potential to be a real force in the 2nd half of the season.  That 98 yard drive today in the 2nd quarter was sublime. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JaCrispy]

19 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

Seems every network could care less about the Bills. Fine be me- just stinks for folks looking for more analysis and additional highlights.

You just have to wait for local outlets like corner 1 and others to get your fill of analysis

[Buffalo Barbarian]

6 minutes ago, stevewin said:

I was excited too - but then saw it's ESPN+ which I think is subscription

 

too which i have, i just might give that a whirl instead of waiting for yoDionraps .

 

 

[Fixxxer]

56 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

And then people got moany about the Giants 2nd TD drive and the Bills playing "soft". Again it amazes me how people watch this team every week and don't understand its schemes. The Bills defense is about keeping things infront of them and not giving up the big play. But they obviously wanted to commit a lot of people to near the line to take away Barkley. If you have 7 guys up near the line consistently and you are trying to keep it infront of you then numbers dictate you can't play heavy press man on the outside and you. are going to have to play a little softer zone. The Bills plan is always "if you are going to score against us you are going to have to drive the length of the field to do so." 14 points up entering the 4th Qrtr the Bills were even more inclined to try and keep the game in front of them. The Giants took 12 plays and over 6 minutes on that drive. Yes I think our outside corners would have hope to have played a little better - especially on that drive - but at that stage if you are going to give a drive up you give that sort of drive up that takes time off and not a quick strike drive trying to be over aggressive.

 

The defense for the most part shut Manning down. It controlled Barkley. And the offense at times looked really good. Allen had a really good game. The Bills are 2-0 and 2-0 on the road. Life is good. 

 

the worst part of that drive, people complaining for the lack of pass rush, Manning got rid of very quickly on that drive, Giants' WR made several contested catches on that drive. Sometimes the other team step up and challenge you to do the same. And we did.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

4 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

I love how he delayed threw “ ...and women” in there after remembering that PR video that came out this week 

[Playoffs?]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsMagic1 said:

We could very well be a surprise SB team....

 

Glad we came back against the Jets and glad we beat the Giants... but neither win is giving me a ton of confidence that this team (or coaching staff) is ready for a playoff birth/run.  We beat two relatively weak teams. Need to compete for 4 quarters against true contenders. 

 

I was disappointed in how conservative we got in the second half today. Could’ve cost us the game.  We seem to be a better team when there is a true sense of urgency.  Its almost like our coaches didn’t know what to do when we had the lead... and it got really really bad at a few points. Need to clean that up. 

[CincyBillsFan]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Frank is a beast !!! Was a little wrecking ball today. Love how he ran that guy over to score.

 

 

 

 

He's smart to.  On the run that got us the 1st down and sealed the game late he was clapping while lying on the ground.  There wasn't a wasted motion on that run as he understand exactly where he had to get to for the dagger to be driven into the Giants heart.

 

 

[stevewin]

Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

too which i have, i just might give that a whirl instead of waiting for yoDionraps .

 

 

Dion is one thing I always fast-forward through - that and anything Pats** related

[Buffalo Barbarian]

4 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Here are some random comments on this game:

 

*  Get used to what we did in the 3rd quarter because when we're on the road in the 2nd half up by 2 scores we're not going to hand a team a score by being overly aggressive on offense.  This is how the Bills are built.  Great defense that is very difficult to drive 75 yards for a TD on.  Now once the lead is cut to one score then they take the shackles off and get more aggressive on offense.  At home though, look for the Bills to go for the kill when they get up by 10 - 14 points.

 

*  Allen was superb today.  The growth we're seeing in this kid from game to game is astonishing.  He threw 30 passes and had only 2 bad throws - the deep overthrow to Brown and the quick slant to Foster.  He had a couple of smart throw away passes and about 15 perfect throws all over the field.  Allen has shown me through just two games that he can make EVERY throw accurately now.  Think about that for a moment - he is accurately throwing EVERY type of pass.  Allen's accuracy "issues" have officially entered the land of make believe. Allen is accurate.

 

*  On the topic of Allen, that TD drive in the 4th quarter after the Giants had cut the lead to 7 was a thing of beauty.  The 3rd down conversion where Allen put a move on a Giants defensive lineman to get outside would have made Thurman Thomas proud.  And the throw was a carbon copy of a whole bunch of clutch passes he threw while on the run at Wyoming.

 

*  On the topic of the O-line I thought they struggled at times and the false start penalties contributed to our lackluster 3rd quarter.  BUT, Mitch Morse is an awesome center.  His downfield run blocking is amazing and have you noticed that there isn't a lot of immediate pressure on Allen up the middle.

 

*  Beasley & Brown have been amazing through 2 games.  And was it me or did Zay Jones drop a great TD throw by Allen? 

 

*  Dawson Knox had a highlight reel block on McKenzie's TD.

 

*  Edmunds is very close to becoming a dominant middle LB.  That almost pick six was incredible for what it showed about our 250 pound MLB's athleticism & speed.  Truly awesome.

 

* As far as playing 4 great quarters?  Do people watch any other NFL games?  I mean KC was down 10 - 0 in the 1st quarter to Oakland! 

 

*  One final thought - going back to last weeks 4th quarter performance our offense has looked very explosive.  With 9 new guys and a 2nd year QB they have the potential to be a real force in the 2nd half of the season.  That 98 yard drive today in the 2nd quarter was sublime. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

all good points but i DON'T want to see us slow down in third. That is a recipe for disaster and just plain foolish, petal to the metal all the way through. We are not (and no team is) good enough to take it easy with a lead.

 

 

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

 

He's smart to.  On the run that got us the 1st down and sealed the game late he was clapping while lying on the ground.  There wasn't a wasted motion on that run as he understand exactly where he had to get to for the dagger to be driven into the Giants heart.

 

 

Until he is on your team and you watch every play he makes, it is hard to appreciate how good he is. Especially at this age. I love having him. Stats don't do him justice.

[billsfan_34]

7 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

You just have to wait for local outlets like corner 1 and others to get your fill of analysis

We have inpatient folks in these parts ?

[chris heff]

12 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

Is Cole Beasley standing next to his dad?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

2 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Dion is one thing I always fast-forward through - that and anything Pats** related

 

cant stand Dion. I hardly ever watch NFL net anymore as ESPN does a more thorough analysis of the game and less non football related activities.

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

all good points but i DON'T want to see us slow down in third. That is a recipe for disaster and just plain foolish, petal to the metal all the way through. We are not (and no team is) good enough to take it easy with a lead.

 

 

 

I get the frustration and was yelling at the TV like a lot of other people.  BUT this is how the Bills are going to play it, at least for the first half of the season. 

 

The reality is that we're going to lose a game because of doing this - guaranteed.  But in defense of the coaches we'll never know how many games we will win because we put the onus on the defense to protect a 2 score lead.  My guess is we'll win more then we lose doing this.

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloBillsMagic1]

17 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

Eh, I live and die with this team and I love what they're building, but let's not overreact to a comeback in week 1 and a perfectly predictable win in week 2.

Let me dream....

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

 

I get the frustration and was yelling at the TV like a lot of other people.  BUT this is how the Bills are going to play it, at least for the first half of the season. 

 

The reality is that we're going to lose a game because of doing this - guaranteed.  But in defense of the coaches we'll never know how many games we will win because we put the onus on the defense to protect a 2 score lead.  My guess is we'll win more then we lose doing this.

 

 

 

 

 

thats stupid if they do and i hope they dont, 3rd quarter is way too early to burn clock.

 

 

[TigerJ]

It's a good sign when you're winning games not playing your best on the road.  Just keep winning the games you're supposed to win, and pull off a few there the oddsmakers deem you an underdog, and you'll be in the playoffs.  

[Meatloaf63]

1 hour ago, RobbRiddick said:

Not as fun as the Jets forum last week, but this thread should be good. Look at the reply at the top of this page (after Barkley scores) "We are going to own them"

 

Erm, nope!

 

http://bbwc.com/thread/3867/game-thread-wk-bills-giants?page=2

This was a good read. It’s just like here, they started out on top of the world and then crashed like an addict LOL...

1 hour ago, Johnnycage46 said:

Dont let your meat loaf

LOL...

1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said:

How can people be arguing after a W?

What weather? 

In good weather I meant....

[CincyBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

thats stupid if they do and i hope they dont, 3rd quarter is way too early to burn clock.

 

 

 

It's going to depend on the game situation.  If they're locked in a shoot out with Brady and up by two scores in the 3rd they'll need to keep attacking.  But today they were confident that Eli & the Giants were not going to score on any 2 minute 75 yard drives.  As a fan I'm not thrilled with that type of thinking but then again I watch these games with my heart NOT my head.  Fortunately for all of us the coaches use a little more of their brains in managing these games.

 

 

[BillsFan130]

42 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Is it just me or does Zay Jones have the smallest catch area ever? He seems like he needs the ball thrown absolutely perfectly to make a catch. This too me is why he seems to never have chemistry with the QB.

Nope not just you. You are spot on with your assessment on him. He can never make a contested catch

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said:

How can people be arguing after a W?

 

You new here?

[Mojo44]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

thats stupid if they do and i hope they dont, 3rd quarter is way too early to burn clock.

 

 

They weren’t trying to burn the clock at the beginning of the third-quarter. They were trying to establish a running game. There is a big difference. They were not going ultra conservative. Give the Giants defense some credit. They made some adjustments and shut our offense down for a quarter. A lot of you don’t seem to be getting this.

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

 

Love that dude.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

Love that dude.

Sounded like a home crowd

[Goldenrod2000]

46 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

body catcher

I get Zay Jones draft position, but I really think we would be better off with Duke Williams on the active roster at this point

[billsbackto81]

41 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Hell yeah !! Allen is legit, and im just guessing, but i bet his complication percentage was 70%.

 

we finally have the real deal at QB and the next 15-20 yrs are going to be great and those who cant see that are willingly ignorant.

 

 

Josh has definitely improved his accuracy but what he has to work on now is his ball placement. Way too many yards left on the field because he's not hitting receivers in stride, balls are high and some are behind. Receivers are hitting the turf after the catch instead of turning upfield because of body position. The big difference is he has quality WRs this season and it's paying immediate dividends.

Edited September 15, 2019 by billsbackto81

[dollars 2 donuts]

3 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

They won by 2 TD.

 

But it wasn't pretty.

 

*face on desk*

 

 

At some point some people are going to have to stop being upset that this team isn’t Kansas City or before they know it the season will be half over and they will have missed the enjoyment of a pretty good team.

 

2017 was not great, but it was so much fun, and the streak ended and I still had friends who were reluctant to get on the band wagon...during playoff week.  Seriously, they missed a pretty good season because they just wouldn’t believe.

Edited September 15, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts

[Buddy Hix]

49 minutes ago, stevewin said:

I was excited too - but then saw it's ESPN+ which I think is subscription

Ugh, you’re right

[Buffalo Barbarian]

10 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

They weren’t trying to burn the clock at the beginning of the third-quarter. They were trying to establish a running game. There is a big difference. They were not going ultra conservative. Give the Giants defense some credit. They made some adjustments and shut our offense down for a quarter. A lot of you don’t seem to be getting this.

 

it wasn't the play calling, it was the players sense of urgency that waned. It was clear to see that they didnt have a fire in their eyes and their body language was lackadaisical. They threw passes but just didn't execute.

 

They cant be overconfident during the game.

 

 

[Mojo44]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

it wasn't the play calling, it was the players sense of urgency that waned. It was clear to see that they didnt have a fire in their eyes and their body language was lackadaisical. They threw passes but just didn't execute.

 

They cant be overconfident during the game.

 

 

I disagree that they were overconfident. They were getting beat for 1/4. It happens during a game. I still don’t understand why people are not getting this. Let me repeat, they did not come out overconfident.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 minute ago, Mojo44 said:

I disagree that they were overconfident. They were getting beat for 1/4. It happens during a game. I still don’t understand why people are not getting this. Let me repeat, they did not come out overconfident.

 

Yeah they did.

 

When you dont have intensity when your ahead, you are overconfident. It was obvious.

 

 

[Stank_Nasty]

7 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

At some point some people are going to have to stop being upset that this team isn’t Kansas City or before they know it the season will be half over and they will have missed the enjoyment of a pretty good team.

 

2017 was not great, but it was so much fun, and the streak end d and I had friends who got on the band wagon too late...during playoff week.  Seriously, they missed a pretty good season because they just wouldn’t believe.

Duuudddeee 100% I enjoyed every single last bit of that season. The whole “ not getting burned” crap is so stupid to me. A LOT of people missed out on an amazing roller coaster ride that year. 

 

People don’t know how to still

enjoy a season but keep it real with their expectations as well. They don’t have to be mutually exclusive 

Edited September 15, 2019 by Stank_Nasty

[djp14150]

28 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

It's going to depend on the game situation.  If they're locked in a shoot out with Brady and up by two scores in the 3rd they'll need to keep attacking.  But today they were confident that Eli & the Giants were not going to score on any 2 minute 75 yard drives.  As a fan I'm not thrilled with that type of thinking but then again I watch these games with my heart NOT my head.  Fortunately for all of us the coaches use a little more of their brains in managing these games.

 

 

 

 

Actually i I thought about this....

 

instead if running up the score they kept it at 2 scores to keep Eli in the game and not have them  put in their rookie QB.they get to 3 score lead, rookie wildcard comes in and changes mojo.

[dollars 2 donuts]

Just now, Stank_Nasty said:

Duuudddeee 100% I enjoyed every single last bit of that season. The whole “ not getting burned” crap is so stupid to me. A LOT of people missed out on an amazing roller coaster ride that year. 

 

 

Honestly, Stank, there is no hyperbole in my comments about my friends...no win was satisfactory enough for them that year, and they would not buy in.  Life long bills fans who had felt duped in the past.

 

i didn’t intentionally rub it in but I told them right after the game between the bengals and a Ravens the drought ended and you missed it entirely, especially over the last few weeks.  You woke up after the credits were rolling and someone told you what happened.