OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) ...if, IF McBeane was to pull the trigger, would you expect him to have a long term deal in place first or just gamble a pick on a one year rental?....he's a shrewd dude IMO... Edited August 25, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 If this goes down...I will EXPECT this team to make the playoffs even if the offense doesn't make big strides. He's the missing piece to what could be an ELITE defense; the kind of defense capable of swinging the balance of 2-3 games. There's a big difference between keeping the team in the game and swinging the balance.  The best way to beat the top QB's is to get in their face early and often. The current roster construction leaves something to be desired in that aspect.  Considering how much I want to see it happen, I fully expect it NOT to happen. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Nothing more than conjecture. I’d send them 2-3 of Lawson/McCoy/Yeldon/Zay. And a conditional draft pick that disappears if he doesn’t resign. If the Texans bite, they must have one player that really interests them. Just trying to figure out who it is. Lawson and Yeldon? They would make sense...fills two voids. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rico said: Trent Murphy or Shaq Lawson, Zay Jones, and an 2020 early Day 3 pick works for me. Â I think Murphy, Zay, and a third player along with a late 2020 pick that maybe improves if Clowney hits certain production and recognition levels such as All Pro. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 I just need to stay calm... Â 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think there is pretty decent Clowney is a Bill by the  end of the day. They are one of two teams mentioned and Clowney rumored to not want to go to Miami. He controls the situation, remember, because he can’t be traded until he signs his franchise tender. I am still not sure how I feel about this.  On the surface, I would love to have him because he is a damn good football player, but once you factor in injury history, desired salary, etc, it starts to feel like a bad fit.  That being said, I trust Beane and McDermott to make the right call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rico said: Trent Murphy or Shaq Lawson, Zay Jones, and an 2020 early Day 3 pick works for me. I dont know if anyone wants Jones or Murphy...just saying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 25, 2019 Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...if, IF McBeane was to pull the trigger, would you expect him to have a long term deal in place first or just gamble a pick on a one year rental?....he's a shrewd dude IMO... I think he would have a placeholder deal in mind for both sides. But no guarantee he will sign and can’t sign now, so if Houston is willing I would make the draft pick conditional to him signing do lessen the risk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) That one-year rental bothers me. I could see him wanting to sign with the Pats next year.  Isn't Gilmore like his BFF (they played together in high school)...  https://nesn.com/2018/09/stephon-gilmore-knew-jadeveon-clowney-was-a-freak-before-anyone/   Edited August 25, 2019 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 25, 2019 Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, Rocket94 said: I dont know if anyone wants Jones or Murphy...just saying! Zay Jones is from the Austin area, he might prefer to be traded and a fresh start tbh. As far as Murphy, he’s a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Clowney got a speeding ticket in my old car. Wish I still had the ticket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said: I am having flashbacks of Mario Williams we all wanted him here so bad and I don't think he really did much hope we don't end up in the same situation Double digit sacks in his first three years here, I'd say he did his part. Rex comes in and totally wrecks everything 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Zay Jones is from the Austin area, he might prefer to be traded and a fresh start tbh. As far as Murphy, he’s a good player.  Good contract situation with both and the Texans would have considerable leverage in new deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...if, IF McBeane was to pull the trigger, would you expect him to have a long term deal in place first or just gamble a pick on a one year rental?....he's a shrewd dude IMO...   I don't think the Bills can have a deal in place with his tag situation. It would have to be a wink wink type deal that could not be signed until next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just don’t screw with the OL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 This makes way too much sense. They tried to get Mack last year, Clowney is a very nice consolation prize. I don't understand why Miami would be in on this at all. Make it happen Beane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Allen Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019  25 minutes ago, SCBills said: Would he re-sign in Miami?   In sure they could send Tunsil to Houston but why would Clowney want to re-up with that dumpster fire of a team.   No QB, no talent & locker room unrest... sounds fun.   He might resign in Miami. No income tax in Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I am still not sure how I feel about this.  On the surface, I would love to have him because he is a damn good football player, but once you factor in injury history, desired salary, etc, it starts to feel like a bad fit.  That being said, I trust Beane and McDermott to make the right call. This is exactly where I am on the situation...no guarantees of signing him next year.  And if we do, we don’t know if he is the type of player who will check out, like Darius, once he got the big contract.  Part of the reason I like the strategy of drafting, and then paying our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I am still not sure how I feel about this.  On the surface, I would love to have him because he is a damn good football player, but once you factor in injury history, desired salary, etc, it starts to feel like a bad fit.  That being said, I trust Beane and McDermott to make the right call. Clowney is still only 26, and he has overcome the injuries. The Bills need to capitalize on opportunities when the window is open. Clowney is a proven player and he blends well with the Bills young nucleus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, RiotAct said: if it’s another WR the Texans are after, that leads me to believe that Buffalo is NOT a front runner to land Clowney.  I’m guessing they want a proven established producer, but I can’t see the Bills trading Beasley or Brown (unless we don’t have to throw in much more). Maybe I’m wrong.  I had the same thought originally but if it's us or Miami it's not like their receiving corps is any better. I think Zay or Foster, Shaq, and a 2nd or 3rd makes this happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 If we can get this done without giving up o line I’m good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I am still not sure how I feel about this.  On the surface, I would love to have him because he is a damn good football player, but once you factor in injury history, desired salary, etc, it starts to feel like a bad fit.  That being said, I trust Beane and McDermott to make the right call.  We are in great place cap-wise.  The big contracts we have on the books, are all structured in a way to provide cap flexibility.    This FO looks to be STRONG in drafting, which gives us a constant influx of young, affordable talent.  If there was ever a position for this team to go all in on, and take a chance, it’s WR or EDGE.  We tried at WR (Antonio Brown), he ended up with the Raiders.  I absolutely believe we’re trying to bring Clowney here, and it would be worth the gamble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Â Maybe throw Croom in as a sweetener? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee1776 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Didn't Houston just lose a running back. Maybe TJ Yeldon and Z- Jones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 ...if there is that much animus and vitriol between Clowney and da Fuhrer-GM-HC O'Brien, no telling what may happen...stay tuned........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 That being said if it costs us Zay or McCoy I'd gladly just take one year of motivated Clowney.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Orlando Tim Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, SCBills said: Would he re-sign in Miami?   In sure they could send Tunsil to Houston but why would Clowney want to re-up with that dumpster fire of a team.   No QB, no talent & locker room unrest... sounds fun.  He would re- sign because Miami is a great city to live in as a rich single dude- I doubt winning his main goal and Miami will have a ton of cap space next year apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 No thanks on Clowney. Hasn’t attended training camp in several years (according to Jim Miller on Moving the Chains). Evidently not a process guy. He had one huuuuge play in college and his reputation is greatly exaggerated by that one play. I trust Beane but hope he goes the Phins (the way of Mario Williams and Donkey Kong Su). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 At first I was skeptical about going after Clowney, but after thinking about it, I imagine it's hard to put up good numbers playing across from JJ Watt. I'm not knocking Hughes, but Clowney might actually flourish more here, especially under McDermott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Why would Miami trade for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBilz2500 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:  Just can’t see a guy like Clowney having any interest in going to buffalo but hope I’m wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dave Allen said:   He might resign in Miami. No income tax in Florida.  Certainly an enticement but the Bills are closer to winning which may make a difference.  Also, some guys don't like the South Florida heat and humidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) They need an RB and a WR and a replacement for Clowney. Â Zay, Shaq, Yeldon.... + a 2nd? Edited August 25, 2019 by DJB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, Big Blitz said: That being said if it costs us Zay or McCoy I'd gladly just take one year of motivated Clowney.  I am not down on Zay or McCoy but I would trade both for Clowney. His impact will be greater. I would not trade anything higher than 3rd for him though. I also would do Shaq and Either of them for Clowney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said: He would re- sign because Miami is a great city to live in as a rich single dude- I doubt winning his main goal and Miami will have a ton of cap space next year apparently  Well, if he doesn’t care about winning, then sure... make a ton of money and live in Miami - I get it.   I’m operating under the assumption that he doesn’t want to play his prime in obscurity.  1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 39 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:    This is a little counter to the idea that the Fish want to get rid of their entire roster. Unless they view Clowney as a future piece.  I really don’y Care.  I hope the Bills land him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, DBilz2500 said: Just can’t see a guy like Clowney having any interest in going to buffalo but hope I’m wrong  That stupid argument went out the window years ago.  WNY's money is just as green as everyone's else's and it's a good place to live.   1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I am not down on Zay or McCoy but I would trade both for Clowney. His impact will be greater. I would not trade anything higher than 3rd for him though. I also would do Shaq and Either of them for Clowney What about next year's 1st, McCoy and Shaq? That's where the conversation would likely start to get Clowney. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 25, 2019 Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Lurker said: That one-year rental bothers me. I could see him wanting to sign with the Pats next year.  Isn't Gilmore like his BFF (they played together in high school)...  https://nesn.com/2018/09/stephon-gilmore-knew-jadeveon-clowney-was-a-freak-before-anyone/   I don’t know about BFFs but they Are both from rock hill and played at S Carolina. I remember seeing them at a hornets game together a few years ago.  I do not think the Pats have the cap space to sign him, though. Edited August 25, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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