JOSH ALLEN post game thread

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, McBean said:

This thread needs to be postponed until after week 16 of the REGULAR season.

 

Until then, none of us can evaluate crap.

 

 

Thank you, Doctor. We’ll take your evaluation under advisement.

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

35 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Not sure you want to die on that hill...

 

That INT that was posted was Favre in his 48th season.

 

Must have been Alzheimer's

 

12 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

yeah preseason games always tend to discourage me. I base all four ( three really) preseason games on how the season is going to unfold. throwing merely 6 passes on what was expected to be a run heavy night leaves me very worried. I don't even need to watch the fourth preseason game as starters may only  play a series so I can go ahead now and use last nights game as an indication of how the season will go forward and since I'm so discouraged I now feel they may win 4, maybe 5 games? man, these preseason games have just taken all the excitement I had in looking forward to the 2019 season. so discouraging.

 

Sarcasm? (I hope)

[CincyBillsFan]

The fixation by some posters on Allen's bad across the body throw would be wrong headed if this was the regular season and the INT hadn't been cancelled by a penalty.  That it's happening after a meaningless preseason game is bizzare to me.  As others have noted Allen channel's Favre in this respect.  Hopefully he'll be as good as Favre but that remains to be seen.  But every once in a while he's going to do this kind of thing.  And over the course of a season he may get picked once or twice throwing that ball but I suspect you'll also see a couple of huge gains off this type of throw.

 

Last night the only truly awful decision/throw Allen had was the INT. 

 

*  His first pass was on the money to Jones.  His 2nd pass wasn't a good throw but it was the right decision to target Beasley and it wasn't a horrible throw.

 

*  His 3rd pass was a dime to Beasley that unfortunately he fumbled. 

 

*  His 5th throw to Brown was on target and a good decision that was broken up by an excellent pass defense play.

 

*  His last 2 throws to Brown, after he was allowed to throw on 1st down and out of the shotgun, were both excellent and went for long gains and 1st downs.  Allen also had a nice run for a 1st down as he led the Bills on a 95 yard TD drive to take the lead at the end of the half.

 

All in all a pedestrian performance with a flash of brilliance in that last drive.  That 2 minute drive is what Bills fans should focus on and be encouraged by.  Instead some choose to focus only on the bad INT.

 

 

[wiley16350]

6 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

they wont miss you and I'm sure nobody here will miss you either.

And what is your point in posting this?  Do you actually think I think anybody would miss me?  Do you actually think I need to know that nobody will miss me?  Do you think I care whether somebody will miss me?  I didn't write that for any kind of confirmation from anybody on this board or from the Bills.  That was just me letting out a little anger because I want to watch the team and root for them but when they play that type of game it makes me too angry and therefore I just have to stop watching them so I don't get so frustrated watching a team that continues to do the same thing, hoping to get a different result.  So I will stop watching them for my sake, not to try and force them to do what I want.  The statement was to release anger and not to provoke any kind of response from you or the Bills.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

4 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

Sarcasm? (I hope)

absolutely. you have to be around this joint. some of the posts I've read here this morning after last nights PRESEASON game are hilarious and ignorant all at the same time.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I don't see an INT on the stat sheet, was it called back?

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

2 minutes ago, wiley16350 said:

And what is your point in posting this?  Do you actually think I think anybody would miss me?  Do you actually think I need to know that nobody will miss me?  Do you think I care whether somebody will miss me?  I didn't write that for any kind of confirmation from anybody on this board or from the Bills.  That was just me letting out a little anger because I want to watch the team and root for them but when they play that type of game it makes me too angry and therefore I just have to stop watching them so I don't get so frustrated watching a team that continues to do the same thing, hoping to get a different result.  So I will stop watching them for my sake, not to try and force them to do what I want.  The statement was to release anger and not to provoke any kind of response from you or the Bills.

you wrote it, I replied. I guess you just feel the need to let the board know, how you feel. poor fella

[Victory Formation]

Allen looked terrible. I’m still a fan but he had a bad game.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

6 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

yeah preseason games always tend to discourage me. I base all four ( three really) preseason games on how the season is going to unfold. throwing merely 6 passes on what was expected to be a run heavy night leaves me very worried. I don't even need to watch the fourth preseason game as starters may only  play a series so I can go ahead now and use last nights game as an indication of how the season will go forward and since I'm so discouraged I now feel they may win 4, maybe 5 games? man, these preseason games have just taken all the excitement I had in looking forward to the 2019 season. so discouraging.

 

The room is dimly lit, DaBills sits staring into the darkness, a half-smoked camel in the ashtray on the table in front of him.  In his left hand he holds a glass of cheap whiskey, the ice melted like a young boys dream of Super Bowl success for his favorite football team. He always holds the glass in his left hand when troubled.

 

"I...don't know if I can do it again" he says to no one in particular.  "Since 1973 I've been watching these preseason games, hoping against hope to see...something....anything. It all seems too much."

 

The door behind him bursts open, sunlight bathing the room, and a giant of a man walks through.  Startled, DaBills7three looks up and asks "Be you an angel?".  "No. I'm just a guy from a message board son, and I'm here to tell you to put down the glass, throw out the camels, and sack the %#*^ up. We've had it way worse than this since 1973, and those smokes'll kill you."

 

or--go to You Tube and search for  things like Rothlesberger Bad Picks like I did.  It'll dull the pain. 

 

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I don't see an INT on the stat sheet, was it called back?

roughing the passer penalty.

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

5 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

absolutely. you have to be around this joint. some of the posts I've read here this morning after last nights PRESEASON game are hilarious and ignorant all at the same time.

 

I thought so. I've been around long enough, and "know" you well enough, but that was a very well disguised sarcasm post...well done!

[wiley16350]

1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

you wrote it, I replied. I guess you just feel the need to let the board know, how you feel. poor fella

I don't know who is sadder, me because I exposed a feeling I had during a rant or the person that felt the need to address a throw away line of no consequence that wasn't really the point of the rant.  poor fella to be so petty, or maybe just an ugly troll.  Yeah, I think I'm o.k.

[transient]

23 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

The new beard needs some work

 

Right?! All this talk about the INT, but that mange infested dead muskrat on his face is the thing that worries me the most about his lack of judgment. Know your strengths Josh; buy a razor!

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

The room is dimly lit, DaBills sits staring into the darkness, a half-smoked camel in the ashtray on the table in front of him.  In his left hand he holds a glass of cheap whiskey, the ice melted like a young boys dream of Super Bowl success for his favorite football team. He always holds the glass in his left hand when troubled.

 

"I...don't know if I can do it again" he says to no one in particular.  "Since 1973 I've been watching these preseason games, hoping against hope to see...something....anything. It all seems too much."

 

The door behind him bursts open, sunlight bathing the room, and a giant of a man walks through.  Startled, DaBills7three looks up and asks "Be you an angel?".  "No. I'm just a guy from a message board son, and I'm here to tell you to put down the glass, throw out the camels, and sack the %#*^ up. We've had it way worse than this since 1973, and those smokes'll kill you."

 

or--go to You Tube and search for  things like Rothlesberger Bad Picks like I did.  It'll dull the pain. 

 

 

that was awesome and although my post was of staunch sarcasm, this post is the so ***** cool. not to get all technical and ruin the fun of it and all but I gave up drinking 6 years ago and although I did smoke camels at one time, I'm a marlboro man now, 72 reds.

 

thanks for that man, nothing like spreading some good humor, kudos

2 minutes ago, wiley16350 said:

I don't know who is sadder, me because I exposed a feeling I had during a rant or the person that felt the need to address a throw away line of no consequence that wasn't really the point of the rant.  poor fella to be so petty, or maybe just an ugly troll.  Yeah, I think I'm o.k.

don't let it get you down man, yeah, I'm a big ass ugly troll, that's it. have a good day, or at least try to as I know last nights PRESEASON game just had you all down and out.

[H2o]

You knew the Billspolar would be out in full force after this game. After a good performance, "I love this team. Josh is gonna be a HOF'er." After a not so good one, "I hate this team. We're gonna suck this year. Who are we picking? Tua, Herbert, or Fromm?" 

 

Step away from the ledge people. 

[twist_to_open]

At 7:30 last night I was doing the dinner dishes and telling myself I won't get too high or too low on a preseason game, at 9:00 I burned my #17 jersey. I always love the preseason!

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

10 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

that was awesome and although my post was of staunch sarcasm, this post is the so ***** cool. not to get all technical and ruin the fun of it and all but I gave up drinking 6 years ago and although I did smoke camels at one time, I'm a marlboro man now, 72 reds.

 

thanks for that man, nothing like spreading some good humor, kudos

don't let it get you down man, yeah, I'm a big ass ugly troll, that's it. have a good day, or at least try to as I know last nights PRESEASON game just had you all down and out.

I have been known to fire a remote at my tv over far less than what we saw last night. I'm talking about a November fit when truly all hope was lost by October.  The only thing that saved me was I have God-awful aim. 

[Putin]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

I'm fine with Allen last night.  Still looks like a winner tome.

 

The INT?  I'm fine with it, especially in pre season.  The only way to learn how to throw over the middle is to do it and to make some mistakes along the way.  The only way to learn to see the field is to look and throw.  He will continue to make mistakes that young qbs make.  Two or three years from now he will have mastered it. 

I hope your right  ! 

Go Bills !!!

[Ga boy]

16 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

 

I thought so. I've been around long enough, and "know" you well enough, but that was a very well disguised sarcasm post...well done!

a hint of smug

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

The throw was ugly but it's preseason

 

That IS the time to take some stupid risks and see what happens. Now he knows it doesn't fly in an NFL game

 

But that in essence is who Josh Allen is , a gunslinger who doesn't like to let plays die. I expect he will do that again in his career

 

So did Favre

 

Agree!

 

If he improves his completion percentage by say 5 to 8 percent, and he occasionally makes one of those throws, can live with it, would prefer he learns from it but that is who he is a true gunslinger.

[Ga boy]

6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

The throw was ugly but it's preseason

 

That IS the time to take some stupid risks and see what happens. Now he knows it doesn't fly in an NFL game

 

But that in essence is who Josh Allen is , a gunslinger who doesn't like to let plays die. I expect he will do that again in his career

 

So did Favre

I hope in November we're seeing more Favre, and less Cutler.

 

[Putin]

13 minutes ago, H2o said:

You knew the Billspolar would be out in full force after this game. After a good performance, "I love this team. Josh is gonna be a HOF'er." After a not so good one, "I hate this team. We're gonna suck this year. Who are we picking? Tua, Herbert, or Fromm?" 

 

Step away from the ledge people. 

But , but , but isn’t  part of  being a Bills fan comes with ( your own ) ledge and a bag of misery ??? 

[Teddy KGB]

54 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

The new beard needs some work

 

That moustache must go 

[wiseman3]

Baker Mayfield went 10 for 26 with an INT last night. I don't see anyone criticizing him and saying he's awful. Its PRESEASON. Relax everyone.

[Green Lightning]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Not sure you want to die on that hill...

 

That INT that was posted was Favre in his 48th season.

Farve earned  that right, Allen hasn't shown enough smart passes to the warrant boneheads passes. That pass by any measure was stupid. Let him get a couple championships under his belt before he starts slinging rocks for fun.

[CincyBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Farve earned  that right, Allen hasn't shown enough smart passes to the warrant boneheads passes. That pass by any measure was stupid. Let him get a couple championships under his belt before he starts slinging rocks for fun.

 

First off Farve was making those types of bone head throws from his 1st preseason game as a rookie until his last game in the NFL.  He didn't earn the right to do it, it was in his football DNA just like it's in Allen's.  What Farve did though was refine & improve his game to the point where he was able to overcome the mistakes he made from being a gunslinger.

 

And if Allen actually can attain the level of play that Farve did I would be the happiest Bills fan in America.  We couldn't ask for more.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 24, 2019 by CincyBillsFan

[Green Lightning]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

One thing I've learned about bills fans is that half of them or more are utterly risk averse. 

Josh should take risks, that's who he is. But when it's2nd and 4 in our end of the field and he lobs up a goose egg like that that's not acceptable. That's not a risk that was just stupid.

[VW82]

Everyone seems overly focused on the INT which was brutal but it was his overall start to the game that makes me nervous. He wasn't great to start game one and even though his stats were solid in game two he was off target on some easy throws (Beasley/Shady) out of the gate.

 

This is the same trend from last year. Lots of times Allen is able to overcome it and find his rhythm later in the game but the frequent shaky starts are worrisome and probably a bigger sign that something isn’t quite right than Josh making the occasional horrible throw across his body into triple coverage.

Edited August 24, 2019 by VW82

[Green Lightning]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

First off Farve was making those types of bone head throws from his 1st preseason game as a rookie until his last game in the NFL.  He didn't earn the right to do it it was in his football DNA just like it's in Allen's.  What Farve did though was refine & improve his game to the point where he was able to overcome the mistakes he made from being a gunslinger.

 

And if Allen actually can attain the level of play that Farve did I would be the happiest Bills fan in America.  We couldn't ask for more.

 

 

 

 

Maybe, but I doubt the game situation Farve was in wasn't 2nd and 4 with nothing on the line and at a time you're supposed to be showing your growth in making better decisions. Defend it all you want, it was a terrible decision and he needs to stop it.

[CincyBillsFan]

10 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Maybe, but I doubt the game situation Farve was in wasn't 2nd and 4 with nothing on the line and at a time you're supposed to be showing your growth in making better decisions. Defend it all you want, it was a terrible decision and he needs to stop it.

 

I watched a lot of Farve over the years and he would make that kind of bone head pass on 1st & 2nd down all the time.  he also converted some spectacular plays throwing the ball back across the field. 

 

 

12 minutes ago, VW82 said:

Everyone seems overly focused on the INT which was brutal but it was his overall start to the game that makes me nervous. He was flat out bad to start game one and even though his stat line looked good in game two he was off target on some easy throws (which Beasley made great catches on) out of the gate in that one too.

 

This is the same trend from last year. Lots of times Allen is able to overcome it and find his rhythm later in the game but the frequent shaky starts are worrisome.

 

I'm not worried.  I watched Mahomes the other night in his 2nd game and he looked off hitting on only 2 of 5 passes while I watched and one of his completions was a crappy throw that the TE made a nice adjustment to catch.

 

Allen looked very sharp in his 2nd possession against the Colts and looked sharp in both of his possessions against the Panthers.  And the only time the coaches let the Bills run their offense, Allen looked very sharp leading them on a 95 yard two minute TD drive.

 

For some reason we hold Allen to a higher standard on his ball placement while holding our receivers to lower standards on their catching ability.  Other QB's throw the ball real hard and it's caught and the top QB's routinely put the ball in the vicinity of their receivers rather then placing it perfectly on the numbers.  In just the last 2 weeks of watching football I've see the top QB's make throws that were not perfectly placed only to have their NFL caliber receivers still catch the ball. 

 

 

Edited August 24, 2019 by CincyBillsFan

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

2 hours ago, KGun12TD said:

If that one throw had worked in a positive way...we would have all been talking about his growth.

 

PRESEASON PEOPLE! R-e-l-a-x

 

Josh is going to have these moments in the reg season too...

 

Yep.  Don’t remember seeing the critics when he threw across his body to Ivory and Shady last year for huge gains.  

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Josh should take risks, that's who he is. But when it's2nd and 4 in our end of the field and he lobs up a goose egg like that that's not acceptable. That's not a risk that was just stupid.

He didn't "lob up a goose egg." It wasn't a bad throw and it was actually accurate. He saw his receiver breaking toward the middle and never saw the linebacker dropping back. Generally speaking, you do not want your QB to throw back toward the middle when he is scrambling outside the pocket and off balance. However, I have watched most QBs in this league make the exact same kind of throw. Sometimes they work, most times they don't. Not the best decision; but, IMO, the hyperbole in the reactions to that throw on this board are ridiculous.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

8 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

that's the throw a wide eyed rookie makes...but not a 2nd year qb...

 

Or a 40 year old future HOFer.

8 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

He didn't "lob up a goose egg." It wasn't a bad throw and it was actually accurate. He saw his receiver breaking toward the middle and never saw the linebacker dropping back. Generally speaking, you do not want your QB to throw back toward the middle when he is scrambling outside the pocket and off balance. However, I have watched most QBs in this league make the exact same kind of throw. Sometimes they work, most times they don't. Not the best decision; but, IMO, the hyperbole in the reactions to that throw on this board are ridiculous.

 

I pretty much agree. 

 

For those that don't like the throw, you are just going to have to learn to deal with it. I fully expect to see it every season from Allen throughout his career. It's just how he plays. I'm  fine with it. Take the good with the bad when it comes with Allen. As long as he producing far more good than bad he will stick around and have a nice career.

[LB3]

2 hours ago, Heitz said:

I liked the part where he yelled "Ahhhhh that's bulls*t!" when Gore was hit late OOB...   

 

I thought it was Allen at first as well even though it sounded like McD. I went back and you can see McD in the background giving the ref the business.

[Fixxxer]

The pass to Beasley (that he fumbled) on third and long was beautiful

 

Two ugly passes were an out to Beasley, the ball was behind and very low, timing route that didn't work. The rub/pick to Zay was a bullet, Zay didn't have a chance.

 

The int that wasn't because of a weak roughing the passer penalty, shouldn't have happened. He was being pressured going backwards, really bad decision.

 

He looked sharp on the TD drive to end the half.

[Green Lightning]

12 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

He didn't "lob up a goose egg." It wasn't a bad throw and it was actually accurate. He saw his receiver breaking toward the middle and never saw the linebacker dropping back. Generally speaking, you do not want your QB to throw back toward the middle when he is scrambling outside the pocket and off balance. However, I have watched most QBs in this league make the exact same kind of throw. Sometimes they work, most times they don't. Not the best decision; but, IMO, the hyperbole in the reactions to that throw on this board are ridiculous.

You must miss Fitzy then. Hey if you think that was a smart throw, and accurate throw and an acceptable risk, then we just view the game very differently.  I prefer to win for once. Josh should learn the rules first before knowing when to break them. 

[Jerboski]

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The fixation by some posters on Allen's bad across the body throw would be wrong headed if this was the regular season and the INT hadn't been cancelled by a penalty.  That it's happening after a meaningless preseason game is bizzare to me.  As others have noted Allen channel's Favre in this respect.  Hopefully he'll be as good as Favre but that remains to be seen.  But every once in a while he's going to do this kind of thing.  And over the course of a season he may get picked once or twice throwing that ball but I suspect you'll also see a couple of huge gains off this type of throw.

 

Last night the only truly awful decision/throw Allen had was the INT. 

 

*  His first pass was on the money to Jones.  His 2nd pass wasn't a good throw but it was the right decision to target Beasley and it wasn't a horrible throw.

 

*  His 3rd pass was a dime to Beasley that unfortunately he fumbled. 

 

*  His 5th throw to Brown was on target and a good decision that was broken up by an excellent pass defense play.

 

*  His last 2 throws to Brown, after he was allowed to throw on 1st down and out of the shotgun, were both excellent and went for long gains and 1st downs.  Allen also had a nice run for a 1st down as he led the Bills on a 95 yard TD drive to take the lead at the end of the half.

 

All in all a pedestrian performance with a flash of brilliance in that last drive.  That 2 minute drive is what Bills fans should focus on and be encouraged by.  Instead some choose to focus only on the bad INT.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Jerboski said:

 

I agree with some of this, but come on man that first throw to jones had way too much heat on it and wasn't placed on the back shoulder like it was designed. The second throw to beasley was a good decision but way behind him, lucky it wasn't picked if the corner had proper position.

 

The ball that should have been picked was an awful decision, plain and simple 

 

The bullet to beasley was a great pass, best one of the night. He had a really good two minute drill as well

 

All in all, not a great performance or even good but was saved by the two minute drill, the coaching staff didn't so him any favors though with playcalling 

[billspro]

3 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

Does anyone care that he made that same throw last year for big completions in 3 different games--2 of which were for 50+ yards?

 

Yes, it's a throw he needs to learn not to force, but it's also a club that he should keep in his bag.

 

Good point, those were awesome when he completed it. 

[VW82]

31 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

For some reason we hold Allen to a higher standard on his ball placement while holding our receivers to lower standards on their catching ability.  Other QB's throw the ball real hard and it's caught and the top QB's routinely put the ball in the vicinity of their receivers rather then placing it perfectly on the numbers.  In just the last 2 weeks of watching football I've see the top QB's make throws that were not perfectly placed only to have their NFL caliber receivers still catch the ball. 

 

 

The difference is we've seen it pop up and be problem in the real games more for Allen than those other guys so it's harder to ignore. There are reasons for optimism too (I still think he's got something cooking with Beasley) but so far he's very up and down. 

[dakrider]

Heck, I'm happy Allen threw that int.  Its good negative reinforcement in a preseason game.  As far as the rest of the game, Allen did not look that good but the entire game plan was blah.  Not many QB's are going to have a great night when they only throw 6-7 passes. Barkley gets to throw 14 passes.  Bills didn't get off to a good start, had a few bad penalties, the Beasley fumble stopped a drive and the offense couldn't get any rhythm going.  That was how this team looked at the beg. of last year.  The last drive of half Bills had some good plays but were also significantly helped by some penalties but they came out much more determined.  So really a poor first half offensively all the way around and gives them all something to work on the next 2 weeks.