10 observations Bills v. Panthers

[Steptide]

My biggest observation is that this offense is becoming a passing offense (finally). Lots of throwing and I love it. 

[Big Turk]

15 minutes ago, the skycap said:

In the next preseason game, I wanna see him return a kickoff

Might be tough...thats becoming something you are lucky to see once or twice in an entire game now.

[scribo]

No way the Bills can keep three QBs on the 53. I'm confident Tyree can be kept on the PS without being stolen.

 

Wade looks amazing, but they are going to need to get him a lot more touches in final two PS games before they could possibly consider keeping him on the 53. It is just too damn competitive to make this roster this season. If they put him on the PS, which is very enticing since he'd be a free extra player, I think it is possible he gets grabbed by a team not in the hunt and able to take a flyer with a spot on their 53.

 

The answer to the tough cuts could be trading some away rather than cutting them. Those looking in from the outside are likely good enough to be traded for late-round picks. That's how well Beane and company built depth.

 

I remember when the best players on the team were our punter and kicker.

 

I had no problem with keeping Smoke and Zay in street clothes last night. I'm hoping they lighten Beasley's load the next two weeks.

 

Sweeney is our opening day starter at TE.

 

Most everyone has said an injury to Allen or Morse would likely destroy the season. They are both vital to any success we may have this year, but I also now believe we have depth that could keep us moving should disaster strike.

[nucci]

9 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

Beasley is going to be a steal in a PPR league

not anymore

[vincec]

5 hours ago, from_dunkirk said:

 

In the 80's, it went to 70 players after the first game, 60 players after the second game, 50 players after the third game, and finally, 45 players after the fourth game. Things were more exciting back then. There was no practice squad and no 53-man roster. Training camp began in early July. The first week of the season was on Labor Day weekend. The Super Bowl was always in January. Players were tougher and less injury prone. The teams have it too good nowadays.

Plus the rain never fell until after sundown and July and August never were too hot.

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

I dont think its the scheme.  Hausch Money looks to have lost power in his kicking leg. 

 

Dont feel confident in the guy at all right now.

Monopoly money.

[hemma]

I think our AFC opponents will quickly learn to really hate Beasley.

[Mrbojanglezs]

Duke looked good catching the ball over the middle unlike Zay

[Doc]

7 hours ago, Gugny said:

I am, admittedly, a homer-esque Josh Allen supporter.

 

I think the early incompletion to McCoy was a bad pass; not a drop.  I also think the completion to Beasley shortly before that was also a bad pass, but Beasley went down and got it.

 

Otherwise, I was very impressed with Allen's pocket awareness.  When he took the sack, he knew someone was on him, but couldn't get far enough away to avoid the sack.

 

The other time he took off running for a short gain also showed that he felt the presence and reacted accordingly.

 

I liked how they established very early that Beasley was the obvious target on 3rd and short plays.  Eventually, it opened up a nice pass to Sweeney for a nice gain and a first down.

 

Allen was decisive and didn't force the ball downfield ... both excellent signs of significant growth.

 

All in all, I really liked what the offense showed; especially Josh Allen.  The two underthrows early in the first quarter could have been jitters; who knows?  But he became more comfortable as the time passed and I was really impressed with his overall performance.

 

GO BILLS!

 

The throw to Shady was fine and should have been caught.  And the first throw to Beasley looked like he thought Beasley would be where he threw it. 

16 minutes ago, scribo said:

Wade looks amazing, but they are going to need to get him a lot more touches in final two PS games before they could possibly consider keeping him on the 53. It is just too damn competitive to make this roster this season. If they put him on the PS, which is very enticing since he'd be a free extra player, I think it is possible he gets grabbed by a team not in the hunt and able to take a flyer with a spot on their 53.

 

If Wade if on the PS in a protected slot, no one, not even the Bills, can sign him to their 53 this year.

[Mrbojanglezs]

7 hours ago, Gugny said:

I am, admittedly, a homer-esque Josh Allen supporter.

 

I think the early incompletion to McCoy was a bad pass; not a drop.  I also think the completion to Beasley shortly before that was also a bad pass, but Beasley went down and got it.

 

Otherwise, I was very impressed with Allen's pocket awareness.  When he took the sack, he knew someone was on him, but couldn't get far enough away to avoid the sack.

 

The other time he took off running for a short gain also showed that he felt the presence and reacted accordingly.

 

I liked how they established very early that Beasley was the obvious target on 3rd and short plays.  Eventually, it opened up a nice pass to Sweeney for a nice gain and a first down.

 

Allen was decisive and didn't force the ball downfield ... both excellent signs of significant growth.

 

All in all, I really liked what the offense showed; especially Josh Allen.  The two underthrows early in the first quarter could have been jitters; who knows?  But he became more comfortable as the time passed and I was really impressed with his overall performance.

 

GO BILLS!

 

Id rather his misses be low than sailing them 

[VW82]

I thought the coaching staff did a nice job putting Allen in positions early to make some easy throws and get a better rhythm than game one where he was taking shots deep (and missing) right out of the gate. 

 

It also helped that the early passes were to Beasley instead of butterfingers so instead of poorly placed balls being incompletions Beasley was able to adjust and pick the football out of the dirt. 

 

By the time Allen had to make a harder throw downfield to Sweeney (lofted to right sideline) he was confident and put it right on the money. 

 

Thumbs up for Dabol and McD.

Edited August 17, 2019 by VW82

[Uncle Joe]

10 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

8.  Our pass rush looked better tonight.  Nice to see Murphy get in the box score.  It will be fun that first game they put Hughes, Murphy, and Oliver on the field at the same time and turn them lose.  

 

Panther's announcer said Hughes sacked the QB "and oh, Murphy got there too." Hughes was nowhere near the QB /SMH.
Oliver being double teamed and batting down a pass was nice to see. Rookie has game.

Sweeney's catch, ground fumble and re-catch showed a lot of focus.

I like when it looked like Shady scored on his 1st attempt the offense just shrugged it off, gave him the ball again and he went in virtually untouched.
Pinch me - I know it is only preseason...

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said:

Panther's announcer said Hughes sacked the QB "and oh, Murphy got there too." Hughes was nowhere near the QB /SMH.
Oliver being double teamed and batting down a pass was nice to see. Rookie has game.

Sweeney's catch, ground fumble and re-catch showed a lot of focus.

I like when it looked like Shady scored on his 1st attempt the offense just shrugged it off, gave him the ball again and he went in virtually untouched.
Pinch me - I know it is only preseason...

 

He was down anyway but yes, good focus.

[Uncle Joe]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

He was down anyway but yes, good focus.

Which is why I called it a ground fumble (ground can't cause a fumble IIRC)

[Chandler#81]

2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

I dont think its the scheme.  Hausch Money looks to have lost power in his kicking leg. 

 

Dont feel confident in the guy at all right now.

Bills need to stop playing musical holders with bad punters. Assign the task to Barkley and be done with it. It’s critical and they’re being stupid with it, imo. As for Hauschka, Norwood got old. Christy got old. Hausch is old. It happens. McLaughlin is kicking the snot out of the ball. He doesn’t seem bothered by weak punters taking turns misplaying the holds. Unlike the starter, he’s hit on every try and booms KO’s into Niagara County. The brass love Hausch$$,  but the time has come. Will they be brave enough?

https://bufbills.com/player-bios/18_chase_mclaughlin.pdf

 

 

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

My biggest observation is that this offense is becoming a passing offense (finally). Lots of throwing and I love it. 

 

Yeah, passing is all the trend these days. BUT, this is WNY. Nevermind blizzards, the winds in the semi-underground New Era Field can make grown QBs cry. Allen has the cannon necessary to slice through it, but receivers have to be able to catch them with freezing, gloved hands on short hard throws. Not Zay or Robert’s forte..

 

jmo’s

 

Edit: btw, great thread!

Edited August 17, 2019 by Chandler#81

[aristocrat]

Is haushka the issue or whichever Cory is holding?

[Doc]

Just now, aristocrat said:

Is haushka the issue or whichever Cory is holding?

 

I started looking at the holders on his kicks and saw that Carter was holding for the one he made and missed and then stopped looking.

[aristocrat]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I started looking at the holders on his kicks and saw that Carter was holding for the one he made and missed and then stopped looking.

 

Who was true holder last year ? 

[Teddy KGB]

10 hours ago, DuckyBoys said:

Maybe  they shop Zay Jones?  

 

Get back a 6th ? 

[aristocrat]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Bojo.

 

Thanks.  Kicker is the most important position outside qb 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, aristocrat said:

Thanks.  Kicker is the most important position outside qb 

 

Let me add, Schmidt and Darr also did it after Bojo went to IR.  Basically the punter held.

[Fixxxer]

RB position

Shady

Gore

Singletary

 

they are locks to make the roster, then

 

 

TY Yeldon had some nice receptions for first downs and didn't cough up the ball, that's a plus, but he has zero phyisicality as a runner and goes down at first contact. I know is late in his career but he should have switched to WR in his rookie year.

 

Murphy he's decisive as a runner and hits the hole hard, I really like him and Wade has shown some really nice flashes of playmaking ability. Perry had a bad fumble but out of the last four RBs mentiones he's the one that offers more versatility to the roster, given that he's a good ST player.

 

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

The throw to Shady was fine and should have been caught.  And the first throw to Beasley looked like he thought Beasley would be where he threw it. 

 

Doc, I'm trying to sound like less of a homer.  Help a brother out, here.

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Fixxxer said:

RB position

Shady

Gore

Singletary

 

they are locks to make the roster, then

 

 

TY Yeldon had some nice receptions for first downs and didn't cough up the ball, that's a plus, but he has zero phyisicality as a runner and goes down at first contact. I know is late in his career but he should have switched to WR in his rookie year.

 

Murphy he's decisive as a runner and hits the hole hard, I really like him and Wade has shown some really nice flashes of playmaking ability. Perry had a bad fumble but out of the last four RBs mentiones he's the one that offers more versatility to the roster, given that he's a good ST player.

 

Wade can be picked-up by another team (and be put on their 53) if the Bills cut him.  I think he's a lock now.

Just now, Gugny said:

Doc, I'm trying to  sound like less of a homer.  Help a brother out, here.

 

There are things to legitimately criticize him over.  Perfect placement isn't one of them.  A receiver's job is to catch anything within his catch radius.  Beasley did that and Shady should have done that.  And I still think Zay could and should have caught that low pass from Josh last week.

[Mrbojanglezs]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Wade can be picked-up by another team (and be put on their 53) if the Bills cut him.  I think he's a lock now.

 

 

Are you 100% sure on that? If the Bills allocate him as the free 11th spot on PS I thought he could just be put there without being subject to waivers 

[Doc]

Just now, Mrbojanglezs said:

Are you 100% sure on that? If the Bills allocate him as the free 11th spot on PS I thought he could just be put there without being subject to waivers 

 

That's what dje said and it makes sense.  If the Bills don't think he is worth making the roster, another team should have a chance to put him on theirs.

[Chandler#81]

27 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Wade can be picked-up by another team (and be put on their 53) if the Bills cut him.  I think he's a lock now.

 

If this is true -and I’ve seen nothing to indicate this, given the ‘specialness’ of this unique scenario, then Bye Bye Yeldon, Murphy, Perry & DiMarco.

7 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Why don’t you marry him then?

Strange post. Have you SEEN BrittWill??

Gugny/BrittWill. ?‍♂️ Tough call.

[Gugny]

7 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

If this is true -and I’ve seen nothing to indicate this, given the ‘specialness’ of this unique scenario, then Bye Bye Yeldon, Murphy. Perry & DiMarco.

Strange post. Have you SEEN BrittWill??

Gugny/BrittWill. ?‍♂️ Tough call.

 

When they were on the 6 inch line, it didn't surprise me that Allen didn't sneak.  But I was surprised that they gave it to McCoy instead of DiMarco.  He's gotta be toast.

[Chandler#81]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

When they were on the 6 inch line, it didn't surprise me that Allen didn't sneak.  But I was surprised that they gave it to McCoy instead of DiMarco.  He's gotta be toast.

I’ve been thinking that since we lured him away from the Falcons SB team. Not the 1st time I’ve been wrong. McDermott ❤️‘s him.

 

fwiw, Shady SCORED on the play before. Dammit.

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:

I’ve been thinking that since we lured him away from the Falcons SB team. Not the 1st time I’ve been wrong. McDermott ❤️‘s him.

 

fwiw, Shady SCORED on the play before. Dammit.

 

Tough to see from the one replay they showed for 3 seconds.  But I thought he got in, too.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

If this is true -and I’ve seen nothing to indicate this, given thee ‘specialness’ of this unique scenario, then Bye Bye Yeldon, Murphy. Perry & DiMarco.

 

It makes sense.  The idea of this pathway is to get the players to actually play in the NFL.  If the Bills don't think he's worth a roster spot and cut him, another team might and should be able to put him on their roster.  Giving a protected/11thb  spot on the PS comes with the cost of not being able to activate them to the roster.

[Xwnyer]

maybe they should consider backup WQB being the holder.  These Punters suck and I think are screwing up FG

[BillsFan17]

12 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Wow.  And to think we just hired a new SpT coordinator.  

Is the coordinator the one kicking/punting for us?

[White Linen]

12 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Don't know why but I'm just not worried about Hauschka. He's a pro and IIRC hasn't cost us a game with a miss since he's been here.

 

Wade is very intriguing. Like to see him play against the starting opposing defenses to get a better feel. He's got great balance and runs like his hair is on fire. 

 

Josh has really taken his intermediate game seriously and it shows. Sweeney and Beasley will see a lot of targets with Brown and Foster keeping the safeties honest.

 

Singletary has surprisingly good hands for someone who didn't receive much in college.     

 

Josh has rarely had time to throw the deep ball.  Seeing it live, helped.  I guess in the grand scheme - the o line could be doing him a short term favor by helping him develop.  Long term - they need to get better.

[billykay]

13 hours ago, White Linen said:

 

I agree with this very good observation.  I was there at the game and was privy to seeing the FG attempt he missed from a side view.  His ball no longer penetrates.  It's like he's punching at the ball instead of kicking through it.  His leg looks weak at this point.  

Yeah. Kinda like my golf swing.

[mannc]

2 hours ago, billykay said:

Yeah. Kinda like my golf swing.

There are a lot of similarities between a golf swing and a placekick.   Maybe one reason a lot of kickers are good golfers.

[White Linen]

2 hours ago, billykay said:

Yeah. Kinda like my golf swing.

 

The perfect analogy.  It's exactly like the golf swing.  

 

When you're not confident,  it becomes a tense swing.  

 

He looks like he's guiding the ball (aiming).  

 

In warm ups he was booming the ball nicely.  It's in his head - I think - and I'm a bit nervous. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

16 hours ago, ganesh said:

After today's game, WRs will be  Jones, Brown, Foster, Beasley, McKenzie, Roberts.   Unless they trade Jones and in which case it will be that they will carry 5 TEs or 5 RBs.

What about Williams? I thought he looked good enough to get some more reps.

[Poleshifter]

16 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Wade is very intriguing. Like to see him play against the starting opposing defenses to get a better feel. He's got great balance and runs like his hair is on fire. 

 

I would love to see Wade on KR/PR. He is hard to tackle once he gets the ball.

 

Also would like to see him for a few plays with the starting OL. See what he can do.

 

One explosive play in each game so far, with limited touches.

[reddogblitz]

8 hours ago, scribo said:

I think it is possible he (Wade) gets grabbed by a team not in the hunt and able to take a flyer with a spot on their 53.

 

I think it's likely he gets picked up by the Patsies**.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

I'm still a little worried about the o-line. I feel like the best thing we can say about them is that they won't be any worse that last years line.  But that doesn't mean much. Hopefully Allen improving in the passing game will help open things up in the running game.