eball Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Travis Henry, Antonio Cromartie, and Shawn Kemp just called Tate and said, "bro, you shoulda called me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 27 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: LOL... The run defense is a serious concern. They were gashed multiple times last year. Oliver is a rookie. A lot will depend on Edmunds getting significanty better. Needs to diagnose runs better and take better angles to the RB. He is young so I am optimistic he can make a big leap. He is still younger than most rookies. No question Edmunds needs to improve and I expect he will. But that has nothing to do with the Giants offense which should be the easiest defensive matchup of the season. Literally we can just sell out to stop the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 18 minutes ago, HappyDays said: No question Edmunds needs to improve and I expect he will. But that has nothing to do with the Giants offense which should be the easiest defensive matchup of the season. Literally we can just sell out to stop the run. Evan Engram is a legit threat. In that offense with no receiving options he's going to put up Kittle numbers this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t think he won interesting article about it Why the NFL Had to Act Harshly in the Robert Mathis Case https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2068505-why-the-nfl-had-to-act-harshly-in-the-robert-mathis-case.amp.html Oh, my ears and whiskers. Robert Mathis (4 game suspension): " Like many families, my wife and I faced fertility challenges, and I sought medical assistance. I specifically asked the doctor if the medication he prescribed for me would present a problem for NFL drug testing, and unfortunately, he incorrectly told me that it would not. I made the mistake of not calling the NFL or NFLPA to double check before I took the medication at the end of last season." Edison Volquez (pitcher suspended 50 games): Prior to the conclusion of last season, my wife and I sought medical advice in Cincinnati with the hope of starting a family… As part of my consultation with the physician, I received certain prescribed medications to treat my condition. As a follow up to our original consultation, my wife and I visited another physician in our home city in the Dominican Republic this past off-season. This physician also gave me certain prescribed medications as part of my treatment. Unfortunately, I now know that the medication the physician in the Dominican gave me is one that is often used to treat my condition, but is also a banned substance under Major League Baseball's drug policy. As a result, I tested positive when I reported to Spring Training. Is there some freakin' "writing guide to emotional appealing excuses for taking banned substances" these guys are all sampling from? Tate was in the league when Mathis was suspended - a rookie, in fact. You would think the lightbulb might have flickered, if it's true. In any case, as Mathis statement points out, a definitive read on the meds is just a phone call away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Oh, my ears and whiskers. Robert Mathis (4 game suspension): " Like many families, my wife and I faced fertility challenges, and I sought medical assistance. I specifically asked the doctor if the medication he prescribed for me would present a problem for NFL drug testing, and unfortunately, he incorrectly told me that it would not. I made the mistake of not calling the NFL or NFLPA to double check before I took the medication at the end of last season." Edison Volquez (pitcher suspended 50 games): Prior to the conclusion of last season, my wife and I sought medical advice in Cincinnati with the hope of starting a family… As part of my consultation with the physician, I received certain prescribed medications to treat my condition. As a follow up to our original consultation, my wife and I visited another physician in our home city in the Dominican Republic this past off-season. This physician also gave me certain prescribed medications as part of my treatment. Unfortunately, I now know that the medication the physician in the Dominican gave me is one that is often used to treat my condition, but is also a banned substance under Major League Baseball's drug policy. As a result, I tested positive when I reported to Spring Training. Is there some freakin' "writing guide to emotion excuses for taking banned substances" these guys are all sampling from? Tate was in the league when Mathis was suspended - a rookie, in fact. You would think the lightbulb might have flickered, if it's true. In any case, as Mathis statement points out, a definitive read on the meds is just a phone call away. I have no idea why these guys would not check and double check and triple check with the nfl on every single thing they take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I have no idea why these guys would not check and double check and triple check with the nfl on every single thing they take It’s simple. They’re determined to cheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Why didn’t Tate just call Fitz for advice? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 35 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Oh, my ears and whiskers. Robert Mathis (4 game suspension): " Like many families, my wife and I faced fertility challenges, and I sought medical assistance. I specifically asked the doctor if the medication he prescribed for me would present a problem for NFL drug testing, and unfortunately, he incorrectly told me that it would not. I made the mistake of not calling the NFL or NFLPA to double check before I took the medication at the end of last season." Edison Volquez (pitcher suspended 50 games): Prior to the conclusion of last season, my wife and I sought medical advice in Cincinnati with the hope of starting a family… As part of my consultation with the physician, I received certain prescribed medications to treat my condition. As a follow up to our original consultation, my wife and I visited another physician in our home city in the Dominican Republic this past off-season. This physician also gave me certain prescribed medications as part of my treatment. Unfortunately, I now know that the medication the physician in the Dominican gave me is one that is often used to treat my condition, but is also a banned substance under Major League Baseball's drug policy. As a result, I tested positive when I reported to Spring Training.Is there some freakin' "writing guide to emotional appealing excuses for taking banned substances" these guys are all sampling from? Tate was in the league when Mathis was suspended - a rookie, in fact. You would think the lightbulb might have flickered, if it's true. In any case, as Mathis statement points out, a definitive read on the meds is just a phone call away. Odds are they didn't write it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warcodered Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: The injuries aren't funny but that last one kills me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: LOL... The run defense is a serious concern. They were gashed multiple times last year. Oliver is a rookie. A lot will depend on Edmunds getting significanty better. Needs to diagnose runs better and take better angles to the RB. He is young so I am optimistic he can make a big leap. He is still younger than most rookies. Oh, Ethan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Word on the street is Giants fans are a Barkley ACL away from becoming Jets fans, and then burning the whole city to the ground... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 The Giants may very well be the worst team in football this year. It will be interesting to see if they pass on Tua and Herbert in 2020. Either way, Tate being out isn't really that big of a deal. All they really have is Ingram and Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 10 hours ago, Ben said: Suspended 4 game KB might start against us?! Golden Tate is an OL or does KB still think he can play WR. 10 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: NFL could take that into consideration and lower it by 2 games. It still would help the Bills D. Yes because Tate is Julio Jones or something. I dont think Golden Tate strikes fear into the hearts of the #1 pass D in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 8 hours ago, apuszczalowski said: Didn't the Red Sox David Ortiz fail for the same reason? Robert Mathis also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Golden Tate is an OL or does KB still think he can play WR. Yes because Tate is Julio Jones or something. I dont think Golden Tate strikes fear into the hearts of the #1 pass D in the NFL. agreed. An easy game for our secondary just got even easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 9 hours ago, Patrick_Duffy said: They signed him? I saw where the Giants were working him out but don't know if they officially signed him yet. If so, that's fine by me. Bills backfield should have a decent day against the Giants, hopefully anyways... EDIT: Just saw in the KB thread that Giants are no longer interested it seems. Wow they are in a big mess at WR lol He probably tripped over his own breasts on a go-route.? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Word on the street is Giants fans are a Barkley ACL away from becoming Jets fans, and then burning the whole city to the ground... Hope they wait till week 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 31 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Word on the street is Giants fans are a Barkley ACL away from becoming Jets fans, and then burning the whole city to the ground... Passaic? Fort Lee? Jesus...not Hoboken! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Passaic? Fort Lee? Jesus...not Hoboken! Everything North of Philadelphia, south of Boston, West of Denver, East of London, North of Miami, South of Atlantic City, Northwest of Las Vegas, Southnorth from RIo.... Man... I really lost track of that... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 17 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: I don’t have it in front of me but he seems to have a legitimate appeal case. He SAYS that he and his wife took fertility drugs in April or something. A few days later he found out it contained a substance banned. He immediately notified the league and team before any failed test was known. And he couldn’t possibly have used it in April as a ‘performance enhancer.” IF all of that is true he has a good case and the NFL will probably still deny it. Yea if that is true he should 100% win his appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) https://www.foxnews.com/sports/giants-player-suspended-for-using-fertility-drug-crippling-teams-receiving-core interesting comments , for Tate and against NFL policy on this case Edited July 28, 2019 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 If true, very hard to believe the NFL would uphold the suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, eball said: If true, very hard to believe the NFL would uphold the suspension. They did with Robert mathis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 10 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Passaic? Fort Lee? Jesus...not Hoboken! I had the same question: "what city the NJ Giants Fans gonna burn?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yea if that is true he should 100% win his appeal. The league doesn’t care. They tell them not to take a tic tac before clearing it 100% with the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 hours ago, ALF said: https://www.foxnews.com/sports/giants-player-suspended-for-using-fertility-drug-crippling-teams-receiving-core interesting comments , for Tate and against NFL policy on this case I assume you mean the comments after the article, not the article itself? As it notes: "Despite Tate's optimism, drug suspensions are rarely overturned due to the NFL's ironclad policy on banned substances, which states that "[p]layers are responsible for what is in their bodies and a positive test will not be excused because a Player was unaware that he was taking a Prohibited Substance." I mean, that's pretty much how it has to be, otherwise "oh, the doctor said it was fine, I didn't know" becomes everyone's excuse. It's not like it's "tainted Mexican beef", something that has not previously been encountered....Tate was a rookie when Mathis was suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Not worried about this game... Don't care if everyone is playing the Bills should win this. Let me know when Brady is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 21 hours ago, Ben said: Suspended 4 game KB might start against us?! Sheppard should be back week one. However the Giants are down 2 projected starters in Tate and Coleman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The league doesn’t care. They tell them not to take a tic tac before clearing it 100% with the league. But it was a genuine mistake and he highlighted it in advance of a positive test. Sounds like he did everything he could do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: But it was a genuine mistake and he highlighted it in advance of a positive test. Sounds like he did everything he could do. He said before the failed test was confirmed. That could easily he read as he failed the a, sample was notified, and then he told them about the fertility treatment. I used to administer drug tests. If someone fails the first question asked is "would there be a reason for this to be in your system?" For most people it would be a prescription. I won't guarantee that's what happened here but due to the careful wording I wouldn't be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, section122 said: He said before the failed test was confirmed. That could easily he read as he failed the a, sample was notified, and then he told them about the fertility treatment. I used to administer drug tests. If someone fails the first question asked is "would there be a reason for this to be in your system?" For most people it would be a prescription. I won't guarantee that's what happened here but due to the careful wording I wouldn't be surprised. Well clearly that is different. I was talking only in the terms of whether it is as Tate presents it. If the story is slightly different then my view is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 45 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: But it was a genuine mistake and he highlighted it in advance of a positive test. Sounds like he did everything he could do. I don’t think it matters. He was supposed to clear it before he took it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 4 hours ago, ALF said: https://www.foxnews.com/sports/giants-player-suspended-for-using-fertility-drug-crippling-teams-receiving-core interesting comments , for Tate and against NFL policy on this case 3 hours ago, eball said: If true, very hard to believe the NFL would uphold the suspension. They have to uphold it. There is no provision for a player "not knowing what was in it before he took it". It is the responsibility of the player to understand everything that is in any exogenous substance he chooses to put into his body. Tate knows this--they all do. Can't blame "the doctor" (it won't sway the NFL). All Tate had to do was, before he took this drug, bring the drug to the attention of the NFL and ask if there was anything in it that is banned. It's as simple as that. He has to sit 4 games for sheer stupidity alone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Sheppard should be back week one. However the Giants are down 2 projected starters in Tate and Coleman. Coleman would’ve been lucky to make the roster. No way he’d start. Okay. It’s the Giants. There’s no way he should be starting in the NFL. But there is the matter of Sterling Shepard‘s broken thumb. He might not be 100%. As for the positive test. He can make any excuses he wants, but they won’t impact his suspension. The rules are clear. Edited July 28, 2019 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Coleman would’ve been lucky to make the roster. No way he’d start. Okay. It’s the Giants. There’s no way he should be starting in the NFL. But there is the matter of Sterling Shepard‘s broken thumb. He might not be 100%. As for the positive test. He can make any excuses he wants, but they won’t impact his suspension. The rules are clear. Yet Coleman was expected to start in NY. It has been widely reported that. So right now will be down two starters and their other Starter with a recovering dislocated Finger. Coleman was going to be their starting Returner he did that last year and was effective and going into camp it was widely talked about Giants giving him the shot with the Ones to secure that 3rd WR spot. Edited July 28, 2019 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, MAJBobby said: Yet Coleman was expected to start in NY. It has been widely reported that. So right now will be down two starters and their other Starter with a recovering dislocated Finger. I believe you. It’s just idiotic on the part of the NYG. Or maybe they were just trying to give him some public support while they remained hopeful. Dunno, but he’s not a viable NFL WR. Saw that here and in Cleveland. Fast as hell, but can’t catch and never bothered to try to learn how to be a WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, BarleyNY said: I believe you. It’s just idiotic on the part of the NYG. Or maybe they were just trying to give him some public support while they remained hopeful. Dunno, but he’s not a viable NFL WR. Saw that here and in Cleveland. Fast as hell, but can’t catch and never bothered to try to learn how to be a WR. Even if he didn’t secure the 3rd WR spot like they anticipated he was their Starting Returner. So either way lost a starting returner and maybe a starting WR for the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: But it was a genuine mistake and he highlighted it in advance of a positive test. Sounds like he did everything he could do. Yes but after a random test. If random test occurred months later would not be issue. It is like embezzler reporting mistake after audit announced but before results in. He knew he would be caught and tried to (IMO) reduce sentence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: Even if he didn’t secure the 3rd WR spot like they anticipated he was their Starting Returner. So either way lost a starting returner and maybe a starting WR for the year I’m just trying to figure out what a WR who is worse than Corey Coleman looks like. If the NYG trot out someone like that AS A STARTER then I’m not sure why they’re bothering to show at all. In all honesty for weeks 1-4 they might line up their top three WRs as Shepard and some combination of their 5th round rookie (Slayton) and cut down pickups and/or traded players. Edited July 28, 2019 by BarleyNY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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