Bills Training Camp: Day 3 - 7/27

[whatdrought]

Just now, BidsJr said:

 

 

30 and I'm taking the under.

 

No deal.

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

You sure do a lot of "thinking".  Maybe you can try to substitute "I think" with "in my opinion".

 

But that's not why I replied.  I highly doubt the defense was going 0%.

 

Those aren’t the same thing? 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

[K-9]

56 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

So I checked out training camp today. 

 

First, I hate training camp. Half these dudes out there are already limping. These injuries will pile up quickly. Baffles me every year how these guys are professional athletes and within a week of practice, they are walking like their 80 years old. 

 

Second, I think Allen’s media reports of him having a great day are being blown out of proportion. The kid could always throw when he has no zero pressure of him. That’s really all you seen today. He would have been sacked on a lot of his great plays. Some of these throws were 5 secs in the pocket.  He is still not throwing with anticipation or thinking quick enough.  Now is the time to be getting better at that even if it means incompletions.  I’m hoping it gets better as camp goes on, but he hasn’t been good with those things since freshman year in college. Not sure he will ever get it. 

 

Third, the o line they are rolling out is not the best they can do. Ford is a guard, not a tackle. He was getting burned on the outside of him all day. He’s not quick enough.  They need to get a Ty or Waddell in at RT ASAP.  Spain is really frickin good and Dawkins looks good with a good guard next to him.  Even with the additional o line players brought in, I think we will struggle to find 8 good ones. Teller is a disaster. Wish Sirles was healthy 

So glad that even though we have all those professional reporters and other observers out there tweeting non stop that we have you out there to give us the real story. 

[The Wiz]

7 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Those aren’t the same thing? 

They are not.  I know plenty of people that have an opinion that aren't capable of thinking.

Edited July 27, 2019 by The Wiz

[MAJBobby]

3 hours ago, ddaryl said:

SO 3 training camp practices. Has Allen had a bad day ?.. From best I can tell his worst practice so far sounds to be significantly better than most of our QB's best TC days pre-Allen.

 

Saturday. Spent all day at Beach with Family. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I hope it will be helpful to Foster to see how it's done.  He isn't consistent.

 

And on that note, from the Chris Brown writeup on Day 3, seems Foster does recognize that he has a lot to learn and think watching Brown will be helpful:

//Robert Foster, who made his own share of big plays for the Bills as a rookie, was glad to be running deep routes again. But he was even more excited to be learning from a veteran deep threat like Brown in practice.

“I loved it. Today was good. I was happy to get back to running full speed,” said Foster. “But I was more excited to watch ‘Smoke.’ I think that’s going to help me and all of us, just watching him and learning how he gets separation and putting everything together.

“I’m learning about body lean, hand-eye coordination, tracking the ball. I’m a lot taller than ‘Smoke’ so I try to base it all on how he runs his routes. He’s quick and fast, so I’m going to be studying ‘Smoke’ all season.”//

 

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, Ittakestime said:

So I checked out training camp today. 

 

First, I hate training camp. Half these dudes out there are already limping. These injuries will pile up quickly. Baffles me every year how these guys are professional athletes and within a week of practice, they are walking like their 80 years old. 

 

Second, I think Allen’s media reports of him having a great day are being blown out of proportion. The kid could always throw when he has no zero pressure of him. That’s really all you seen today. He would have been sacked on a lot of his great plays. Some of these throws were 5 secs in the pocket.  He is still not throwing with anticipation or thinking quick enough.  Now is the time to be getting better at that even if it means incompletions.  I’m hoping it gets better as camp goes on, but he hasn’t been good with those things since freshman year in college. Not sure he will ever get it. 

 

Third, the o line they are rolling out is not the best they can do. Ford is a guard, not a tackle. He was getting burned on the outside of him all day. He’s not quick enough.  They need to get a Ty or Waddell in at RT ASAP.  Spain is really frickin good and Dawkins looks good with a good guard next to him.  Even with the additional o line players brought in, I think we will struggle to find 8 good ones. Teller is a disaster. Wish Sirles was healthy 

You do understand your dark posting history precedes every post you make, right? Your overall cred is negligible, but I’ll take your take here under consideration. As with all our posters who are at practice and share their views, Thank you.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:

You do understand your dark posting history precedes every post you make, right? Your overall cred is negligible, but I’ll take your take here under consideration. As with all our posters who are at practice and share their views, Thank you.

 

Nnnnnh, Iono.

 

Take ITT's take on Allen at face value or what the media has to say about him....Tough call.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

35 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

I did see him climb the pocket, but it was also when the defense was going at 0% effort.  Just thinks that’s a lot tougher when defenders are everywhere.  

 

The oline is way better than last year, but it’s not great. I think the depth still isn’t there. I think Feliciano and Long are below average starters. I think the Bills would like to take 9 o line, but without Sirles healthy, I think it will be tough to find 9 solid players.  Teller ain’t making this team. 

 

We shall file this with due regard next to your opinions on Kelvin Benjamin ("I still think KB can be effective in this league") and Ed Oliver (" Oliver has needed to be humbled since HS. Hopefully him not starting will change his work ethic". ......." His college attitude was a disaster and his interview at combine was complete trash.")  It's a shame that the Bills college scouts and GM failed to elicit the continued potential of Mr Benjamin or the trashy combine attitute and interview of Mr Oliver and thus released the one and drafted the other.  Please offer them your services and the benefit of your advice ASAP.

I doubt the D was going at 0% effort at any point today.  Of course it will be tougher for Allen in a real game where the intensity and speed ratchet up and refrigerator-size defenders are actually trying to plaster him to the turf.  He's still looking a lot lot better than he did in TC and his early games last year - more comfortable, more proficient at interpreting what he sees.  Of course we need to see if it translates to the season, but it's still a positive.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[whatdrought]

18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We shall file this with due regard next to your opinions on Kelvin Benjamin ("I still think KB can be effective in this league") and Ed Oliver (" Oliver has needed to be humbled since HS. Hopefully him not starting will change his work ethic". ......." His college attitude was a disaster and his interview at combine was complete trash.")  It's a shame that the Bills college scouts and GM failed to elicit the continued potential of Mr Benjamin or the trashy combine attitute and interview of Mr Oliver and thus released the one and drafted the other.  Please offer them your services and the benefit of your advice ASAP.

I doubt the D was going at 0% effort at any point today.  Of course it will be tougher for Allen in a real game where the intensity and speed ratchet up and refrigerator-size defenders are actually trying to plaster him to the turf.  He's still looking a lot lot better than he did in TC and his early games last year - more comfortable, more proficient at interpreting what he sees.  Of course we need to see if it translates to the season, but it's still a positive.

 

 

 

 

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

So lame....NFL Network is covering training camps where the players aren’t even in pads yet, while not even showing Bills camp...just watched a Vikings WALK THROUGH with just jerseys/ not even helmets.

Under the radar baby, under the radar!

[billsfan_34]

6 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Love Smart QBs. Can’t wait to see it in season. Feeling better and better about it with each practice. 

Me too man! 

[Ittakestime]

21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We shall file this with due regard next to your opinions on Kelvin Benjamin ("I still think KB can be effective in this league") and Ed Oliver (" Oliver has needed to be humbled since HS. Hopefully him not starting will change his work ethic". ......." His college attitude was a disaster and his interview at combine was complete trash.")  It's a shame that the Bills college scouts and GM failed to elicit the continued potential of Mr Benjamin or the trashy combine attitute and interview of Mr Oliver and thus released the one and drafted the other.  Please offer them your services and the benefit of your advice ASAP.

I doubt the D was going at 0% effort at any point today.  Of course it will be tougher for Allen in a real game where the intensity and speed ratchet up and refrigerator-size defenders are actually trying to plaster him to the turf.  He's still looking a lot lot better than he did in TC and his early games last year - more comfortable, more proficient at interpreting what he sees.  Of course we need to see if it translates to the season, but it's still a positive.

 

 

 

The first clip, pass to Beasley, was when Josh looked great today:  

 

 

That D sure was providing pressure. 

 

A lot of Josh’s completions could have been made with this caveat, “The play was not blown dead as a sack but Murphy probably would have put a hit on Allen on the play, which likely would have impacted the result.”

 

https://buffalonews.com/2019/07/27/buffalo-bills-trent-murphy-cody-ford-training-camp-day-three-josh-allen-john-brown-observationse-schooling/

 

Also, Allen completes 66% of his passes in 11 on 11 with not allowed to touch QB. Let’s stop acting like what I am saying is completely out of left field. 

[thebandit27]

31 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

 

The first clip, pass to Beasley, was when Josh looked great today:  

 

 

That D sure was providing pressure. 

 

A lot of Josh’s completions could have been made with this caveat, “The play was not blown dead as a sack but Murphy probably would have put a hit on Allen on the play, which likely would have impacted the result.”

 

https://buffalonews.com/2019/07/27/buffalo-bills-trent-murphy-cody-ford-training-camp-day-three-josh-allen-john-brown-observationse-schooling/

 

Also, Allen completes 66% of his passes in 11 on 11 with not allowed to touch QB. Let’s stop acting like what I am saying is completely out of left field. 

 

And yet that was the only play on which the reporter felt it was worth mentioning.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

33 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

 

The first clip, pass to Beasley, was when Josh looked great today:  

 

 

That D sure was providing pressure. 

 

A lot of Josh’s completions could have been made with this caveat, “The play was not blown dead as a sack but Murphy probably would have put a hit on Allen on the play, which likely would have impacted the result.”

 

https://buffalonews.com/2019/07/27/buffalo-bills-trent-murphy-cody-ford-training-camp-day-three-josh-allen-john-brown-observationse-schooling/

 

Also, Allen completes 66% of his passes in 11 on 11 with not allowed to touch QB. Let’s stop acting like what I am saying is completely out of left field. 

 

Right.
 

Even the Bove tweet you pasted in there noted "Josh Allen had a very strong day".  Let's stop acting as though the first clip, which looks like some kind of drill, is the only good pass Allen made today or the only time he looked good today.  Allen has already shown in games he is willing to stand in and take a hit for a completion, so let's not act as though QB pressure would totally change things, either.

 

However, we will give your comments all due and appropriate weight.

 

 

[K-9]

6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

And yet that was the only play on which the reporter felt it was worth mentioning.

Bottom line is that, compared to last year at this time, we are seeing a night and day difference in performance across several aspects of the team. It’s a positive development no matter how much we can downplay it if we choose.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, Lurker said:

 

The sound of one hand clapping...

 

Spring 2019 Nielsen Audio Quarterly Report (Updated: 07-19-19)
12+ Population: 983,500 (Black: 120,000) (Hispanic: 43,900) 
Surveyed: Continuously

 

Station	Sum 18	Fall 18	Win 19	Spr 19	Format	Owner
WYRK-FM	10.1	9.2	8.4	9.5	Country	Townsquare Media
WBLK-FM	11.0	11.0	10.3	9.0	Urban	Townsquare Media
WBEN-AM	8.2	8.3	9.7	8.2	News/Talk	Entercom
WGRF-FM	9.0	5.5	4.6	8.1	Classic Rock	Cumulus Media
WHTT-FM	6.1	6.1	6.0	6.7	Classic Hits	Cumulus Media
WTSS-FM	4.8	5.5	4.6	5.0	Hot AC	Entercom
WKSE-FM	4.9	4.6	4.6	4.9	CHR	Entercom
WMSX-FM	3.0	3.7	4.3	4.2	AC	Townsquare Media
WEDG-FM	3.2	3.8	3.2	3.6	Active Rock	Cumulus Media
WBFO-FM	N/A	3.8	3.9	3.5	News/Talk	Western New York Public Broadcasting Ass
WGR-AM	4.2	6.6	4.9	3.5	Sports	Entercom
WECK-AM	3.0	2.3	2.7	2.9	Oldies	Radio One Buffalo
WBUF-FM	2.7	2.4	3.0	2.8	Adult Hits	Townsquare Media
WNED-FM	N/A	2.1	2.9	2.4	Classical	Western New York Public Broadcasting Ass
WLKK-FM	1.5	0.9	1.3	1.5	Alternative	Entercom
WWWS-AM	0.9	1.3	0.7	0.9	Rhythmic Oldies	Entercom
WWKB-AM	0.5	0.5	0.4	0.3	All Sports	Entercom
WHLD-AM	N/A	0.1	N/A	0.2	All Sports	Cumulus Media

 

What website did you find those numbers? I'd love to know so I can look up other markets.

 

What can I say? WHLD rocketing up from 0.1 to 0.2. That's the Sully Effect

 

As for WGR you can really see the Bills driving their fall numbers, and the Sabres to a lesser extent in the Winter.  WYRK! So Buffalo is a country town? Go figure. Growing up no one listened to country. WBUF, a 50KW FM behind WECK, a 500-watt AM in Cheektowaga? Ouch!  WBEN is a lesson how AM radio can still be viable if you actually make the effort and don't let things go to crap. (They are one of the few AM's left in the USA with big ratings.) WWKB is the example of what happens when you let things go to crap. So sad.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Sal Capaccio and Josh Reed recap 1st 3 days of TC:

 

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, Ittakestime said:

So I checked out training camp today. 

 

First, I hate training camp. Half these dudes out there are already limping. These injuries will pile up quickly. Baffles me every year how these guys are professional athletes and within a week of practice, they are walking like their 80 years old. 

 

You hate training camp but you go so you like hating.  Enjoy.

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

So glad that even though we have all those professional reporters and other observers out there tweeting non stop that we have you out there to give us the real story. 

 Well sulky put in more work than Sulky so maybe he could replace him.  Same attitude.

[eball]

I'm pretty disappointed in many of you for feeding the "ittakestime" troll.  The dude is clearly out to get your goat and he's doing a great job of it.  Wise up.

[Punching Bag]

38 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

However, we will give your comments all due and appropriate weight.

 

I was an Honors Math major. I am good at doing math with imaginary numbers.

17 minutes ago, eball said:

I'm pretty disappointed in many of you for feeding the "ittakestime" troll.  The dude is clearly out to get your goat and he's doing a great job of it.  Wise up.

 

Some trolls provide a service wearing a sign.

[Lurker]

49 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

What website did you find those numbers? I'd love to know so I can look up other markets.

 

Here you go:   https://ratings.radio-online.com/content/arb037

 

Which station do you work for in Manchester, Roboman?....

 

Edited July 27, 2019 by Lurker

[Nervous Guy]

5 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 I get you 

 

5 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

I wonder if John Brown coming in here and kind of feeling like “the guy” at WR has been a boost to his confidence. Sounds like he’s killing it. He really seems to be embracing this opportunity to run with the #1 WR role. 

 

Sounds like Josh Allen is killing it too. 

 

Honestly, as a long time die hard Buffalo sports fan all this positivity is making me a bit nervous.... ?

you'll get used to it.

5 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Me four.

 

And he's five: 

welcome aboard boys and gals

[K-9]

45 minutes ago, eball said:

I'm pretty disappointed in many of you for feeding the "ittakestime" troll.  The dude is clearly out to get your goat and he's doing a great job of it.  Wise up.

Not familiar with his schtick so I appreciate the heads up. 

[BillsFan4]

https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/snippets-bills-camp-day-three

 

Quote

Ed Oliver: 

On the depth chart at defensive tackle and earning his snaps: 

"When you've got two good guys in front of you in Jordan Phillips and Star (Lotulelei) just taking me in and coaching me up on everything possible, just giving me one little thing to work on today. That's mostly Jordan just giving me one thing every day, he asks me every day 'what's one thing you can get better at today?' and I'll tell him and go out here and most times I'll get better."

 

Quote

Mitch Morse:

On the coaching style of offensive line coach Bobby Johnson: 

"The passion for the game really, it's second to none. He loves football and he loves portraying that information, he loves relaying it and wants to see us emulate that same passion, so kind of coming out with an intensity and a purpose."

 

Full Oliver Interview - https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/07-27-ed-oliver

 

full Morse interview - https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/07-27-mitch-morse

 

Kevin Johnson - https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/07-27-kevin-johnson

 

Tyree Jackson - https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/07-27-tyree-jackson

 

edit - not sure if those are the full interviews. They are all pretty short, but that’s what WGR has up right now. I’ll add in the full interviews when I see/find them posted

Edited July 27, 2019 by BillsFan4

[FLFan]

2 hours ago, Ittakestime said:

 

The first clip, pass to Beasley, was when Josh looked great today:  

 

Also, Allen completes 66% of his passes in 11 on 11 with not allowed to touch QB. Let’s stop acting like what I am saying is completely out of left field. 

Ok, then let’s stop pretending that it matters.  Here is a revelation: it is the third day of training camp and  none of the action thus far is realistic or necessarily predictive of what will happen in reality.  People are calling you out for your very predictable negative hot take on results so far, as they should based on your history.  You should understand  that you are the one projecting unrealistic expectations in this scenario.  

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, Ittakestime said:

Spain is really frickin good 

 

To my mind he was the best FA guard on the market. How he remained unsigned so long is a mystery. By week 4 Bills fans will be freaking out about the need to extend him on a long term deal. He is the best FA signing of the offseason. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

 

 

Sounds like they are “calling it now.”

[McNubbins]

Any news on Dawson Knox?  I heard he limped off the field today.

[CommonCents]

8 minutes ago, McNubbins said:

Any news on Dawson Knox?  I heard he limped off the field today.

Sweeney is the guy. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/snippets-bills-camp-day-three

 

 

Full Oliver Interview - https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/07-27-ed-oliver

 

full Morse interview - https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/07-27-mitch-morse

 

Kevin Johnson - https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/07-27-kevin-johnson

 

Tyree Jackson - https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/07-27-tyree-jackson

 

edit - not sure if those are the full interviews. They are all pretty short, but that’s what WGR has up right now. I’ll add in the full interviews when I see/find them posted

 

Sal Capaccio's article on Training camp Day 3.
https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/allen-brown-combo-full-display-saturday-bills-camp

No update on Knox injury

[Steptide]

6 hours ago, NY Nole said:

 

I appreciate your observation but respectfully disagree with several takes: did you watch Josh Allen consistently climb the pocket and fire balls to his receivers — I did...consistently. The only time he struggled was with the short throws. Also — completely disagree with regards to the OLINE. It is 1000x improved from last year. Ford is a bit inconsistent but shows you all the traits of a really solid RT. IMHO. Go Bills!

To add to this, it's hard for me to believe that the media, who is pretty critical of the bills, would rant and rave about Allen if he was legitimately holding the ball too long. I wasn't at camp today, only reading tweets, but I have to believe if the media guys were impressed by Allen, it's probably a pretty good thing 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

[whatdrought]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

 

This is just good news all around.