J. Palmer on Allen ‘blue collar, work ethic, farmer’

[Chandler#81]

He works with Josh, Darnold & Mayfield. Thinks Josh in most intriguing of them all. “He’s ready!l

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/jordan-palmer-why-buffalo-bills-qb-josh-allen-is-ready-to-make-the-leap-in-year-

[aceman_16]

Yeah - it was an interesting watch. Homerism or not....it is refreshing to hear someone who works closely with other QBs (especially Darnold) really hype up Allen. The season can not get here fast enough!!

[Augie]

Let us pray J Palmer is all that! The truest QB guru of all time! 

[Chandler#81]

16 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

Yeah - it was an interesting watch. Homerism or not....it is refreshing to hear someone who works closely with other QBs (especially Darnold) really hype up Allen. The season can not get here fast enough!!

Great to hear him say he uses Barkley’s below average arm to show Josh how ‘touch’ is more important for accuracy than a bullet and they worked on this throughout the off season.

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Great to hear him say he uses Barkley’s below average arm to show Josh how ‘touch’ is more important for accuracy than a bullet and they worked on this throughout the off season.

 

I would have taken Darnold had he been available. I thought it was very interesting that he didn’t balance that talk a little more, knowing he worked with both and it would get back to them. Maybe there’s some balancing talk I missed? All things considered, encouraging stuff! 

[Chandler#81]

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I would have taken Darnold had he been available. I thought it was very interesting that he didn’t balance that talk a little more, knowing he worked with both and it would get back to them. Maybe there’s some balancing talk I missed? All things considered, encouraging stuff! 

It was a much longer convo as he was a guest on GMF. Here, he’s answering ‘who’s the most intriguing of his disciples’. At the Draft, I didn’t have a dog in the fight, I just wanted whoever we selected to finally be the Answer.

[The Bills Blog]

I'm concerned about Allen's anticipation. In Embedded, you see Beasley telling him to throw with anticipation, and Allen protests, saying he'll put it on Beasley as soon as he turns (in other words, "My arm is so strong I don't have to worry about anticipation"). Not a great sign.

[H2o]

40 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said:

I'm concerned about Allen's anticipation. In Embedded, you see Beasley telling him to throw with anticipation, and Allen protests, saying he'll put it on Beasley as soon as he turns (in other words, "My arm is so strong I don't have to worry about anticipation"). Not a great sign.

Throwing with anticipation will come with familiarity and trust. When Allen can know what his guys are going to do, how they run their routes, the nuances about their game, then he will trust them to throw the ball earlier. He has to build that chemistry with all of the new guys. You could already see him doing it with Zay and Foster toward the end of the year. 

[Boca BIlls]

1 hour ago, The Bills Blog said:

I'm concerned about Allen's anticipation. In Embedded, you see Beasley telling him to throw with anticipation, and Allen protests, saying he'll put it on Beasley as soon as he turns (in other words, "My arm is so strong I don't have to worry about anticipation"). Not a great sign.

Dear God man... Stop with this crap. Two different scenarios, one is Matt and then later Beasley is talking about a route where the ball is supposed to be on him the second he turns around. I hate when people troll for controversy.

 

Yes just watched it again and you basically made this whole BS up. Good job.

Edited July 24, 2019 by Boca BIlls

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I would have taken Darnold had he been available. I thought it was very interesting that he didn’t balance that talk a little more, knowing he worked with both and it would get back to them. Maybe there’s some balancing talk I missed? All things considered, encouraging stuff! 

 

Yea he started with Darnold and Mayfield are exciting... Josh is intruging. I took that the other way from you. I took him as inferring you can take Darnold and Mayfield to the bank. Josh is the most intuging because the talent level is high, but the situation last year was bad and now the situation is a bit better (the line, Beasley Ed Oliver upgrading the D and Singletary) there is a chance Josh could make good on the potential. 

 

I might be totally wrong but my inference was - bank those other two... they are gonna be good. Josh Allen is still a question but he could be not just good but great. 

[Chandler#81]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea he started with Darnold and Mayfield are exciting... Josh is intruging. I took that the other way from you. I took him as inferring you can take Darnold and Mayfield to the bank. Josh is the most intuging because the talent level is high, but the situation last year was bad and now the situation is a bit better (the line, Beasley Ed Oliver upgrading the D and Singletary) there is a chance Josh could make good on the potential. 

 

I might be totally wrong but my inference was - bank those other two... they are gonna be good. Josh Allen is still a question but he could be not just good but great. 

I see your point. The other 2 had great college programs and coaching Josh didn’t have. Allen’s arm strength is solely what he had to offer and with near zero help in quality coaching. It appears he knows this too and is willing to learn. He’s just a couple years behind the other two in quality coaching. I’m hopeful his cannon and unreal running skills will bode us well while he completes his apprenticeship for a couple more years..

[Cripple Creek]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

Throwing with anticipation will come with familiarity and trust. When Allen can know what his guys are going to do, how they run their routes, the nuances about their game, then he will trust them to throw the ball earlier. He has to build that chemistry with all of the new guys. You could already see him doing it with Zay and Foster toward the end of the year. 

If Blog's characterization of the conversation is accurate (I couldn't make out what Beasley said) then it is a tad concerning for me as well.  I caught the "I'll put it on your chest" part, but that's really not a good answer, is it? It's a defensive response and it's the wrong answer.

 

Loved Palmer's words.  We do know that the kid wants to work, wants to succeed and he's happy to do it in Buffalo.  Hopefully the response to Beasley was just a bit of a defensive mechanism kicking in.

[Wayne Cubed]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea he started with Darnold and Mayfield are exciting... Josh is intruging. I took that the other way from you. I took him as inferring you can take Darnold and Mayfield to the bank. Josh is the most intuging because the talent level is high, but the situation last year was bad and now the situation is a bit better (the line, Beasley Ed Oliver upgrading the D and Singletary) there is a chance Josh could make good on the potential. 

 

I might be totally wrong but my inference was - bank those other two... they are gonna be good. Josh Allen is still a question but he could be not just good but great. 

 

Yea that's what I took away as well. He's the most intriguing of the 3 because he could be really great if he puts it all together.

[eball]

10 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Yea that's what I took away as well. He's the most intriguing of the 3 because he could be really great if he puts it all together.

 

Exactly right.  Palmer understands that Josh Allen has perhaps the most impressive physical characteristics of any QB in the league, but he's behind the 8-ball in terms of experience and "big time" coaching.  It's all about how quickly (or if) he develops.  What keeps me optimistic is feeling pretty confident that Josh is also a really smart and competitive guy who wants to be great and will work at it.

[billsfan1959]

7 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

If Blog's characterization of the conversation is accurate (I couldn't make out what Beasley said) then it is a tad concerning for me as well.  I caught the "I'll put it on your chest" part, but that's really not a good answer, is it? It's a defensive response and it's the wrong answer.

 

Loved Palmer's words.  We do know that the kid wants to work, wants to succeed and he's happy to do it in Buffalo.  Hopefully the response to Beasley was just a bit of a defensive mechanism kicking in.

We can't take away anything from what Allen says in that clip, one way or the other. He says, "Once you turn, I'm going to put it right on your body." We can hardly make out anything Beasley says and have no idea what the conversation was leading up to it.  Kind of pointless to analyze a statement with no context to it.

 

[aristocrat]

we're going to win the super bowl this. i'm all in

[Cripple Creek]

7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

We can't take away anything from what Allen says in that clip, one way or the other. He says, "Once you turn, I'm going to put it right on your body." We can hardly make out anything Beasley says and have no idea what the conversation was leading up to it.  Kind of pointless to analyze a statement with no context to it.

 

I certainly cannot and you too apparently which is why I said "if accurate" regarding the conversation.  @The Bills Blog is basically quoting the conversation so we have to assume that she/he was able to make out what was said.

[nucci]

The blue collar part is the most important to me

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

I certainly cannot and you too apparently which is why I said "if accurate" regarding the conversation.  @The Bills Blog is basically quoting the conversation so we have to assume that she/he was able to make out what was said.

What can be heard in the clip is pretty clear and I doubt @The Bills Blog can hear anything in it that the rest of us cannot. There is simply not enough there to put the statements in any real context.

 

My point was that, without context, any analysis is nothing more than pure speculation - and why would anyone choose to speculate that it is something to be concerned about?

[MacGyver]

Oh boy, more "blue collar, lunch pail, farm boy" talk.  Sure hope that means hes a 60% passer this season.  

[Gugny]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea he started with Darnold and Mayfield are exciting... Josh is intruging. I took that the other way from you. I took him as inferring you can take Darnold and Mayfield to the bank. Josh is the most intuging because the talent level is high, but the situation last year was bad and now the situation is a bit better (the line, Beasley Ed Oliver upgrading the D and Singletary) there is a chance Josh could make good on the potential. 

 

I might be totally wrong but my inference was - bank those other two... they are gonna be good. Josh Allen is still a question but he could be not just good but great. 

 

This is exactly how I took it.  That said, I'm still glad we took Josh Allen.

[Rocket94]

I like it...old school farm boy makes it big. Not much to do after work but Chuck footballs!

[Mr. WEO]

Can he emulate the footwork though?

 

Man.......that footwork

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

Can he emulate the footwork though?

 

Man.......that footwork

 

Whatever happened to that poster?

[Dr. Who]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea he started with Darnold and Mayfield are exciting... Josh is intruging. I took that the other way from you. I took him as inferring you can take Darnold and Mayfield to the bank. Josh is the most intuging because the talent level is high, but the situation last year was bad and now the situation is a bit better (the line, Beasley Ed Oliver upgrading the D and Singletary) there is a chance Josh could make good on the potential. 

 

I might be totally wrong but my inference was - bank those other two... they are gonna be good. Josh Allen is still a question but he could be not just good but great. 

That is a possible interpretation and it  is not implausible. My take is different. I don't think Josh was third because he is more a work in progress and thus more questionable, though that may be true. I think Josh was the name that enthused him and was the first to come to mind. I think he felt obliged to mention the best young qbs from the class and that's why he quickly mentioned Darnold and Mayfield before going into the substance of his answer.

[Mango]

He also looks great in shorts

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

That is a possible interpretation and it  is not implausible. My take is different. I don't think Josh was third because he is more a work in progress and thus more questionable, though that may be true. I think Josh was the name that enthused him and was the first to come to mind. I think he felt obliged to mention the best young qbs from the class and that's why he quickly mentioned Darnold and Mayfield before going into the substance of his answer.

 

I think yours is a plausible interpretation too. My take is my take but it isn't the only way to interpret it.

[Augie]

5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

I see your point. The other 2 had great college programs and coaching Josh didn’t have. Allen’s arm strength is solely what he had to offer and with near zero help in quality coaching. It appears he knows this too and is willing to learn. He’s just a couple years behind the other two in quality coaching. I’m hopeful his cannon and unreal running skills will bode us well while he completes his apprenticeship for a couple more years..

 

The more I see of Josh the person, the more I really like him. I know, I know..... EJ was a great guy too according to all accounts, but Josh is hard not to root for. He carries himself extremely well. I would follow that guy! 

 

 

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Edited July 24, 2019 by Augie

[K-9]

15 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

The more I see of Josh the person, the more I really like him. I know, I know..... EJ was a great guy to according to all accounts, but Josh is hard not to root for. He carries himself extremely well. I would follow that guy! 

I would reiterate that it’s not about following him, it’s about joining him. 

[IDBillzFan]

3 hours ago, MacGyver said:

Oh boy, more "blue collar, lunch pail, farm boy" talk.  Sure hope that means hes a 60% passer this season.  

 

Kind of an odd statement from a Bills fan. You'd think most Bills fans would appreciate the value of blue collar lunch pail farm boy types.

 

Blue collar lunch pail farm boys don't retire at halftime. They don't let their mouth do all talking and walk off the field in a huff because they didn't get enough attention during a game. They don't ignore a kid looking for an autograph, and they don't take days off. They know half an effort is no effort, and they know everything works better when everyone works together. And they know how to lead and be leaders.

 

So, y'know...yeah, accuracy...but accuracy minus solid core and work ethic = backup QB.

[Jrb1979]

7 hours ago, The Bills Blog said:

I'm concerned about Allen's anticipation. In Embedded, you see Beasley telling him to throw with anticipation, and Allen protests, saying he'll put it on Beasley as soon as he turns (in other words, "My arm is so strong I don't have to worry about anticipation"). Not a great sign.

Its not a great sign but you're forgetting that you can't say anything negative about the franchise QB. You can't take away the fans hope going into the season.?

6 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Kind of an odd statement from a Bills fan. You'd think most Bills fans would appreciate the value of blue collar lunch pail farm boy types.

 

Blue collar lunch pail farm boys don't retire at halftime. They don't let their mouth do all talking and walk off the field in a huff because they didn't get enough attention during a game. They don't ignore a kid looking for an autograph, and they don't take days off. They know half an effort is no effort, and they know everything works better when everyone works together. And they know how to lead and be leaders.

 

So, y'know...yeah, accuracy...but accuracy minus solid core and work ethic = backup QB.

You guys have to get over the Blue collar lunch pail garbage. Its not the Rockpile days anymore. I realize a lot of you are fans from those days but teams now aren't built that way anymore. Its 2019 not 1960. 

[IDBillzFan]

7 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

You guys have to get over the Blue collar lunch pail garbage. Its not the Rockpile days anymore. I realize a lot of you are fans from those days but teams now aren't built that way anymore. Its 2019 not 1960. 

 

Solid work ethic doesn't go out of style and is imperative in team play, regardless of what year it is and regardless of what job you have. And THAT is what blue collar lunch pail farm boy is all about.

 

But for what it's worth, your post made me think of this song.

 

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

14 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Its not a great sign but you're forgetting that you can't say anything negative about the franchise QB. You can't take away the fans hope going into the season.?

You guys have to get over the Blue collar lunch pail garbage. Its not the Rockpile days anymore. I realize a lot of you are fans from those days but teams now aren't built that way anymore. Its 2019 not 1960. 

Sorry, I didn’t realize that hard work and taking pride in your craft no longer pays any dividends on the field?  That’s not a generational thing, it’s a universal truth, as relevant as the concept of gravity. Knock it all you want, but character still matters. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

But for what it's worth, your post made me think of this song.

 

 

That was great!  Now tell those quadruplets to get off my lawn.  ?

[Jrb1979]

3 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Solid work ethic doesn't go out of style and is imperative in team play, regardless of what year it is and regardless of what job you have. And THAT is what blue collar lunch pail farm boy is all about.

 

But for what it's worth, your post made me think of this song.

 

 

I agree solid work ethic doesn't go out of style but it's not Blue collar. Bills fans seem to want to have a Blue Collar team for some reason. Though most aren't even in the Bills territory anymore. 

[blacklabel]

54 minutes ago, Augie said:

The more I see of Josh the person, the more I really like him. I know, I know..... EJ was a great guy too according to all accounts, but Josh is hard not to root for. He carries himself extremely well. I would follow that guy! 

 

Yeah, every time I see stuff about work ethic, character, competitiveness, etc. it'll remind me of EJ. Good dude, I'm sure he worked hard as well. He didn't get the best deal in having Marrone/Hackett tell him from day one, "If it isn't there, just run." He already had that mentality in college and I thought it was something he needed to work on but Marrone was all about his 1970s-style power run game so that's what we got. The other thing for EJ that never came together was the mental side of things. I recall reading an article on the official website just before the 2014 season began and it mentioned how he struggled in school quite a bit and needed tutors. Nothing wrong with that, but I'm sure that puts someone even more behind the 8-ball when trying to study/recall/execute all the things a professional QB does. He also looked like he lacked a degree of trust in his teammates. If the play wasn't there as designed, his instinct was to do it himself somehow. 

[teef]

3 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

I agree solid work ethic doesn't go out of style but it's not Blue collar. Bills fans seem to want to have a Blue Collar team for some reason. Though most aren't even in the Bills territory anymore. 

i think you have an odd take when it comes to bills fans.  from your short time on this board i've  realized:

1.  you think only people in wny drink light beer, (and that light beer will be a thing of the past)

2.  if people are excited for training camp/football to start, they don't like summer.

[Chandler#81]

6 minutes ago, teef said:

i think you have an odd take when it comes to bills fans.  from your short time on this board i've  realized:

1.  you think only people in wny drink light beer, (and that light beer will be a thing of the past)

2.  if people are excited for training camp/football to start, they don't like summer.

 

hmmm?...

 

No, seems more of a crackhead.

[MacGyver]

41 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Kind of an odd statement from a Bills fan. You'd think most Bills fans would appreciate the value of blue collar lunch pail farm boy types.

 

Blue collar lunch pail farm boys don't retire at halftime. They don't let their mouth do all talking and walk off the field in a huff because they didn't get enough attention during a game. They don't ignore a kid looking for an autograph, and they don't take days off. They know half an effort is no effort, and they know everything works better when everyone works together. And they know how to lead and be leaders.

 

So, y'know...yeah, accuracy...but accuracy minus solid core and work ethic = backup QB.

 

Oh, I forgot the big hands for throwing the ball in the cold part.

 

Throwing the ball accurately, consistently, is what we need from the QB, that's it.  I did not hear Palmer mention that.

 

People in the media keep saying the "blue collar" garbage because there isn't much else nice to say about the Buffalo fans base.  Rust belt fans with sports organizations that never win.

 

Edited July 24, 2019 by MacGyver

[teef]

1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

hmmm?...

 

No, seems more of a crackhead.

i assumed street drugs were involved.