auburnbillsbacker Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 I think Foster and Jones start with Beasely serving as the slot WR. Brown will sub in and get almost as much playing time as Foster and Jones. We finally have depth at WR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said: I think the team and the fans will learn quite a bit more about Foster in camp and the preseason games. Is he the guy making big plays left and right or is he the guy who was undrafted and cut? I happen to believe in Foster, but needless to say, very important camp for RF. I understand what you're driving at; if they think he was a flash in the pan and some team makes a nice offer, you consider it. That would really come down to how the team view's him as a prospect. He definitely developed a nice rapport with Allen and that's important. Yup. and frankly the risk of potentially trading Antonio Brown for a decent tight end is enough to make it very hard to move him even if you are a bold GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 31 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: Wait... Brown, and Beasley might equal three WRs? Regardless, what's the point in looking at it like this? Every team, every year, might lose one, or more WRs for myriad reasons, be it production, injury, FA, or what have you. Be that as it may, the draft at WR is reportedly very deep next year. I’m saying that if Brown and Beasley don’t live up to expectations and are cut after a year and the Bills trade Foster now, they’ll need to look for three wide receivers potentially next year. Trading Foster makes no sense because he’s talented, young and cheap for the next three seasons. And there’s also Zay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, Doc said: I’m saying that if Brown and Beasley don’t live up to expectations and are cut after a year and the Bills trade Foster now, they’ll need to look for three wide receivers potentially next year. Trading Foster makes no sense because he’s talented, young and cheap for the next three seasons. And there’s also Zay. I agree with this. I assumed that barring some really great, and completely unlikely trade scenario, the foolishness of trading Foster was a given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Doc said: Again the issue is how long are Brown and Beasley going to be able to produce for the Bills? If either or both don't live up to their deals, he/they are one-and-done. And then you're trying to replace 2 or 3 WR's next year. I’d hope that if he’s 4 they are playing well. If they are trash and he still can’t get on the field, I’m not sure you are keeping him either, doc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 32 minutes ago, NoSaint said: I’d hope that if he’s 4 they are playing well. If they are trash and he still can’t get on the field, I’m not sure you are keeping him either, doc. If they aren’t playing well, he’ll see the field. If he sucks then all bets are off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 2 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said: I think Foster and Jones start with Beasely serving as the slot WR. Brown will sub in and get almost as much playing time as Foster and Jones. We finally have depth at WR. Brown and Foster might be interchangeable in packages. But Brown is the guy Bills went after.Beasley is locked and can move around. Jones is the other guy. honestly do not know what role he will fill. But he too will get bounced inside and outside i suspect , depending on package an matchups of course. your point about Browns reps as compared to Fosters and even Jones is ideal if all goes as planned : ) i suspect "Smokey" is the darling of Chad Hall lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 16 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...could be and I don't get to see college ball so I'll value your assessment......better point may be whose radar was Foster actually on coming out of 'Bama?.....always surprises out there versus the perceived "obvious"...... When Foster was at Bama, Jalen Hurts was the QB. Jalen is a decent (not great) passer. Calvin Ridley was the primary receiver and was usually open by a mile, even against top SEC secondaries. Additionally, the Tide had very good blockers, mega talented TEs, and a stable full of running backs. Now toss in an injury or 2 and Foster wasn't going to get many snaps. Given the above, the fact that every single team passed on him was a surprise to many, but not completely shocking. When the Bills picked up Foster and Wallace, a few of us here who are Alabama Fans were posting that these were good players. Others said no which is no big deal. Time and again I have posted the names of players I was completely wrong about (Rob Johnson leading the parade). I suggest that you tape an Alabama game or 2 this season if for no other reason (and there are plenty), to watch their wide receivers. If you do, be sure to let me know what you think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 If the Bills would let a young, talented WR go, especially when it's a position where injuries are pretty common, they're extremely dumb. Hopefully it's just the writer who's dumb, because Foster has the talent to be our best WR, not just a backup. We might've paid a decent chunk of money for some FA's to come in, but can you really see someone like Beasley becoming a legit #1? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Everyone look: Someone said something on Twitter! Posting other people’s opinions is not news (sorry media outlets). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 12 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said: I think Foster and Jones start with Beasely serving as the slot WR. Brown will sub in and get almost as much playing time as Foster and Jones. We finally have depth at WR. Brown is absolutely going to be a starter. His contract and skill set for Allen will dictate this. The only way he doesn’t start is an injury, which def can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Posting from his mothers basement ... Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 On 6/30/2019 at 1:05 AM, Doc said: I’m saying that if Brown and Beasley don’t live up to expectations and are cut after a year and the Bills trade Foster now, they’ll need to look for three wide receivers potentially next year. Trading Foster makes no sense because he’s talented, young and cheap for the next three seasons. And there’s also Zay. Without meaning to I think you with the bolded have summed up the receiver situation...... Brown ? Beasley ?Foster ?....... oh, and there's also Zay...... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 On 6/30/2019 at 10:07 AM, Bill from NYC said: When Foster was at Bama, Jalen Hurts was the QB. Jalen is a bad decent (not awful great) passer. Calvin Ridley was the primary receiver and was usually open by a mile, even against top SEC secondaries. Additionally, the Tide had very good blockers, mega talented TEs, and a stable full of running backs. Now toss in an injury or 2 and Foster wasn't going to get many snaps. Given the above, the fact that every single team passed on him was a surprise to many, but not completely shocking. When the Bills picked up Foster and Wallace, a few of us here who are Alabama Fans were posting that these were good players. Others said no which is no big deal. Time and again I have posted the names of players I was completely wrong about (Rob Johnson leading the parade). I suggest that you tape an Alabama game or 2 this season if for no other reason (and there are plenty), to watch their wide receivers. If you do, be sure to let me know what you think. FIFY ☺️ I admit to being a bit sceptical of Foster last year (not when we signed him but during the pre-season games when he looked totally lost). I always thought Levi Wallace was a good pickup - but I expected him to be a serviceable starter or a solid depth guy. How well he played at the end of last year surprised even me and I liked the signing. If he can repeat that form in 2019 and we found a guy who is a legitimate good starting outside corner as an UDFA then you have to say that is exceptional personnel work. I wonder how much input Daboll had in that? Clearly he played a role in Foster but having coached against Wallace in practice I wonder if he at least put a word in McDermott and Beane's direction for the kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Without meaning to I think you with the bolded have summed up the receiver situation...... Brown ? Beasley ?Foster ?....... oh, and there's also Zay...... ? Zay is an unknown but still young. This is his make or break year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: Zay is an unknown but still young. This is his make or break year. It is. He has to catch more of the balls thrown his way. It is as simple as that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 On 6/30/2019 at 8:03 AM, GimmeSomeProcess said: Brown is absolutely going to be a starter. His contract and skill set for Allen will dictate this. The only way he doesn’t start is an injury, which def can happen. What is Foster and Jones are better? Brown has not been a star or performed at the level Foster did the 2nd half of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said: What is Foster and Jones are better? Brown has not been a star or performed at the level Foster did the 2nd half of last season. If both Foster and Jones are better than Brown, that's a good problem to have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: FIFY ☺️ I admit to being a bit sceptical of Foster last year (not when we signed him but during the pre-season games when he looked totally lost). I always thought Levi Wallace was a good pickup - but I expected him to be a serviceable starter or a solid depth guy. How well he played at the end of last year surprised even me and I liked the signing. If he can repeat that form in 2019 and we found a guy who is a legitimate good starting outside corner as an UDFA then you have to say that is exceptional personnel work. I wonder how much input Daboll had in that? Clearly he played a role in Foster but having coached against Wallace in practice I wonder if he at least put a word in McDermott and Beane's direction for the kid. I am sure that he had a role in his signing. Calvin Ridley raved about Wallace. The team knew that he could play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share Posted July 16, 2019 More wisdom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: More wisdom Lamar Jackson is his highest rated QB from the Class of '18? Rated higher than Deshaun Watson? Allen is rated lower than guys who never played a snap in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, GG said: Lamar Jackson is his highest rated QB from the Class of '18? Rated higher than Deshaun Watson? Allen is rated lower than guys who never played a snap in the NFL? Fahey is Schopp's zen master, that's all you need to know about that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share Posted July 16, 2019 Mariota at 7 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Mariota at 7 ? Right? Think Cian's been hitting the Jameson's too hard. Edited July 16, 2019 by Joe in Winslow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Lost all cred with mariotta. He might get beaten out by tannehill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 I will believe It when I see it! On 6/28/2019 at 2:18 PM, Big C said: Guys the moral of the story is, if you have ever wanted to try football journalism, you can probably do it. There are plenty of talented writers on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 On 6/29/2019 at 7:17 AM, Limeaid said: Cian Fahey should be traded for whatever his employer can get. His employer has no use for a flaming bag of dog poop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 On 7/1/2019 at 7:56 AM, GunnerBill said: It is. He has to catch more of the balls thrown his way. It is as simple as that. ....and I'd say it's a safe bet he knows it.........first clue should be the talent in camp (sure it's on paper).....but "this ain't your father's Oldsmobile" lad.......go get it.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: More wisdom I was confused at first why Trubisky is labelled a 'high-variance starter' and Watson a 'high-end youngster' when they were drafted in the same class and Watson's been a starter for longer...but then I read 'Fahey' and now my only question is why Tyrod Taylor isn't ranked higher. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: His employer has no use for a flaming bag of dog poop. You don't know that. His employer may appreciate the irony in trading figurative for literal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I was confused at first why Trubisky is labelled a 'high-variance starter' and Watson a 'high-end youngster' when they were drafted in the same class and Watson's been a starter for longer...but then I read 'Fahey' and now my only question is why Tyrod Taylor isn't ranked higher. ...Lamar Jackson at 12?........um ok.........."one read and run" > Baker Mayfield?....... ...BUT...Cian does have some pretty impressive credentials...... Football Writer Cian Fahey Says He Left ESPN After Being "Ignorant" At A Bar Samer Kalaf /12/18 6:04pm Football writer Cian Fahey said today that he resigned from ESPN after he “drank too much at a bar and treated American strangers like I would my Irish friends.” The Dan Le Batard Show executive producer Michael Ryan Ruiz mentioned Fahey leaving the Worldwide Leader during today’s broadcast, and Fahey elaborated on Twitter. https://deadspin.com/football-writer-cian-fahey-says-he-left-espn-after-bein-1822041010 Edited July 16, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...Lamar Jackson at 12?........um ok.........."one read and run" > Baker Mayfield?....... He has him above Roethlisberger ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: He has him above Roethlisberger ? ....and there goes by LAST pair of Depends out the door....dammit........... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Mariota at 7 ? Hard to take anything too seriously after seeing THAT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Augie said: Hard to take anything too seriously after seeing THAT! must be his dinner reservation...just sayin'............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 I wanted to post the “Cocaine is a hell of a drug” meme but I didn’t for two reasons: 1- I’m on my phone and it’s too much work. 2- more importantly, cocaine produces more thoughtful analysis than this steaming *****. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: More wisdom from that thread... https://twitter.com/amicsta/status/1151170722934530048 Edited July 16, 2019 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 On 7/1/2019 at 11:01 AM, Doc said: If both Foster and Jones are better than Brown, that's a good problem to have. Of course, if Foster and Jones are both WORSE than Brown, that's a bad problem to have. Seriously bad, because it means the Bills have exactly one wide out. The problem the Bills have at receiver is mediocrity. They need players to emerge as real go-to guys. People expected that of Brown, but it hasn't happened after a stellar rookie year. Some people expected that of Jones, but he did very little in his second season, when he should have been breaking out. (Yes, he had a nice play here and there, but EVERY guy good enough to be on an NFL roster will make a nice play here and there. Look at McKenzie.) Foster hasn't done it yet. Williams is unknown. Sills is a rookie. The Bills need guys to step up. My prediction is that the Bills will end the season, if not start the season, with their top four receivers being Beasley, Brown, Foster and Williams. Why? Beasley is an excellent short- to mid-range guy, and the Bills are telling Allen to throw more of those passes. He is the anchor for the receiving corps. Brown, Foster and Williams are the three most talented receivers after Beasley. Brown and Foster have the speed that allows them to get open short or long. Williams was a four- or five-star recruit who needed time to get his head together, and his experience in Canada suggests he's done it. Jones doesn't have the speed that Foster and Brown have and doesn't have the all-round talent, including hands and physicality, that Williams has. But as I said, the problem the Bills have is that they all could remain mediocre. If that happens, improved oline or not, Allen will be running for his life again this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Mariota at 7 ? Ahead of Brady and Brees. Ludicrous. Maybe the Pats or Saints should propose a straight up trade for Mariotta? It seems like they would be getting the better of the deal. Edited July 16, 2019 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Of course, if Foster and Jones are both WORSE than Brown, that's a bad problem to have. Seriously bad, because it means the Bills have exactly one wide out. The problem the Bills have at receiver is mediocrity. They need players to emerge as real go-to guys. People expected that of Brown, but it hasn't happened after a stellar rookie year. Some people expected that of Jones, but he did very little in his second season, when he should have been breaking out. (Yes, he had a nice play here and there, but EVERY guy good enough to be on an NFL roster will make a nice play here and there. Look at McKenzie.) Foster hasn't done it yet. Williams is unknown. Sills is a rookie. The Bills need guys to step up. My prediction is that the Bills will end the season, if not start the season, with their top four receivers being Beasley, Brown, Foster and Williams. Why? Beasley is an excellent short- to mid-range guy, and the Bills are telling Allen to throw more of those passes. He is the anchor for the receiving corps. Brown, Foster and Williams are the three most talented receivers after Beasley. Brown and Foster have the speed that allows them to get open short or long. Williams was a four- or five-star recruit who needed time to get his head together, and his experience in Canada suggests he's done it. Jones doesn't have the speed that Foster and Brown have and doesn't have the all-round talent, including hands and physicality, that Williams has. But as I said, the problem the Bills have is that they all could remain mediocre. If that happens, improved oline or not, Allen will be running for his life again this season. I'm concerned that Beasley's skill set isn't going to jive with Allen's. I think to take advantage of a guy like Beasley you need a QB to make quick, correct reads and accurate throws with touch. Not saying that Allen can't eventually do that but it certainly doesn't look like the strong point of his game right now. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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