Bubba Gump Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) Didn't see anything about this posted yet and it's about a week old article. This might be the most ridiculous ranking I've ever seen. Can't argue with the first five or so, but after that it gets ridiculous. How can a couple guys that have never coached a game in the NFL be ranked anywhere but the bottom? Also has Gase ranked ahead of Mcdermott. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/ranking-all-32-nfl-coaches-2019-best-worst/gd43to2wbdo41d07vmhzk0dx5 Edited May 30, 2019 by Bubba Gump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Fan in LA Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Get ahold of your self, man.........it's just a story..........one man's opinion. I suggest you get a good nights rest. You'll feel better in the morning........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Looks like they put a lot of blame on him for "regressing". People in the media don't care about the Bills. McDermott is a top 10 coach. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Win games and the meaningless rankings will be more favorable. Winning cures everything. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Only Marrone, Jay Gruden, and Shurmur ranked below McDermott. Other than a few of the new guys who are 1st year HCs. If McD does what many of us expect by leading Bills to winning seasons, perception will change. He will gain respect and move up the ranks. IMO McD is the best Bills coach since Marv and 2nd best in AFCE. Hope he is here for the next decade+. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 It's nearly impossible to grade a coach after two years with all of the roster turnover. And frankly how do you grade coach and not grade a coach as a coach-GM team. It's about the Johns and the Joes, not the X's and O's, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Bubba Gump said: Didn't see anything about this posted yet and it's about a week old article. This might be the most ridiculous ranking I've ever seen. Can't argue with the first five or so, but after that it gets ridiculous. How can a couple guys that have never coached a game in the NFL be ranked anywhere but the bottom? Also has Gase ranked ahead of Mcdermott. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/ranking-all-32-nfl-coaches-2019-best-worst/gd43to2wbdo41d07vmhzk0dx5 Oh I see...McDermott was ranked 25th. If he had been ranked top 5, the study would not have been so "ridiculous" and much more "good and accurate". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Well, I feel dumber for having read that. Thanks. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Reks Ryan said: Only Marrone, Jay Gruden, and Shurmur ranked below McDermott. Other than a few of the new guys who are 1st year HCs. If McD does what many of us expect by leading Bills to winning seasons, perception will change. He will gain respect and move up the ranks. IMO McD is the best Bills coach since Marv and 2nd best in AFCE. Hope he is here for the next decade+. Last year was a Tale of Two Cities; "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...". The first half of the year (a full half season) the team was lost and putrid. I was personally puking on the word "process". And not just the lack of offense, but the defense was getting carved up as well. He was on the verge of losing the team AND the fan base. The losses to the Ravens (I was in attendance), Chargers, Colts, Packers, Bears and Patriots were as disheartening as it gets. He's accountable for the whole Peterman fiasco as well. The season was absolutely salvaged in the 2nd half after Allen came back from injury, they changed the WR core and the team set off in a new, exciting direction. He should certainly get his share of credit for that. However, when looking at McD in totality, that first half can't just be dismissed and declare him "Wonder Coach". Lets see what they do this year before clamoring for him to be rated substantially higher... Edited May 30, 2019 by cage 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 I have the clapper at #12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Coaches ahead of him I wouldn't want over him....O'Brien, Gase, Patricia, Gruden, LaFleur, Vrabel, Quinn, Zimmer, Gruden, Garrett, and Lynn. That puts him at #15. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 I didn't read this review and I don't really care about it, but just on record alone (two seasons, one playoff appearance, 15-17 record) I think McD is in "middle of the pack" territory, which puts him somewhere between 12-20 I guess? This season, year three, is McD's opportunity to show what he has built and how much he has learned. Turn this team into a playoff contender and he'll receive the personal accolades. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Absolutely terrible ranking. That was a hack job of an article. A real ranking would provide evidence of game plans in crucial games (obviously if you are 3-10, the last couple games aren’t important) half time adjustments, in game challenges, player and culture development, of course wins, hand clapping, etc Who was the writer for that article? Remind me never to read anything by him again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Seems like a useful article in May... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) I'm sure that McDermott's love affair with Nathan Peterman contributed to his ranking. Edited May 30, 2019 by SoTier 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Another example of the problems with having to fill a space every 24 hours. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Funny how the coaches on the top of that list seem to have the best, most proven QBs. Lotta hard work there. (eye roll) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 2 hours ago, cage said: Last year was a Tale of Two Cities; "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...". The first half of the year (a full half season) the team was lost and putrid. I was personally puking on the word "process". And not just the lack of offense, but the defense was getting carved up as well. He was on the verge of losing the team AND the fan base. The losses to the Ravens (I was in attendance), Chargers, Colts, Packers, Bears and Patriots were as disheartening as it gets. He's accountable for the whole Peterman fiasco as well. The season was absolutely salvaged in the 2nd half after Allen came back from injury, they changed the WR core and the team set off in a new, exciting direction. He should certainly get his share of credit for that. However, when looking at McD in totality, that first half can't just be dismissed and declare him "Wonder Coach". Lets see what they do this year before clamoring for him to be rated substantially higher... I mostly agree with you. Anyone that expected anything except a train wreck of a season, probably wasn't paying very close attention. The team had a very poor roster with the exception of the first twelve or thirteen players on the defensive side of the ball. The cap situation prevented them from doing anything to salvage the offense. The o-line was a complete disaster and prevented them from having any real semblance of a running game. Although the fan base was angry about the losses, experts around the league had positive comments about the job being done by the coaching staff. The team played hard and competed. This season should tell whether McD is the real deal or not. The roster is much improved and the quarterback play should be considerably better. Barring significant injuries to key players, the team should have a better record. Even if they don't take a step forward this year, I don't expect McD to lose his job. I think that the owners recognize that you can't have an effective NFL franchise with constant turnover in leadership. Great teams in the league have continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Truly zero incite into McDermott as an head coach, talks about Ed Oliver and Josh Allen, how is that relative to what a good coach McDermott is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 looks like bill bender doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. hey bill, find a new hobby, you suck at ranking coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 I’ll give it a shot: Belichick Payton Reid Pederson Reich Carroll Harbaugh Tomlin McVay Lynn Nagy Arians McDermott Shanahan Zimmer Rivera Kitchens Quinn Garrett Vrabel O’Brien Taylor Kingsbury LaFleur Fangio Marrone Jon Gruden Jay Gruden Gase Flores Patricia Shurmur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Lulz at wonder-boy at #2... I hope he uses plenty of talcum powder to keep things dry with all the slobbering people do over his overrated self. There is no rational explanation for Sean McVey being ranked higher than Doug Pederson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 7 hours ago, dma0034 said: Looks like they put a lot of blame on him for "regressing". People in the media don't care about the Bills. McDermott is a top 10 coach. Besides being the Bills coach, what in his resume says he is a top 10 coach? His 1 for 10 on challenges? His 15-17 record? Getting outscored by 105 and 57 points his first 2 years? Hiring 2 OCs that have had the 29 and 30 ranked offense? Starting Peterman? i think McDermott is a very good defensive coach. But like most nfl coaches, he is a dime a dozen. I think he is a nice guy who you would like to play for but I don’t see anything special he really does. However if Allen is really good, he will be a good coach. I think if this team doesn’t get at least 8 wins and show improvement on offense, his job might be on the line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’ll give it a shot: Belichick Payton Reid Pederson Reich Carroll Harbaugh Tomlin McVay Lynn Nagy Arians McDermott Shanahan Zimmer Rivera Kitchens Quinn Garrett Vrabel O’Brien Taylor Kingsbury LaFleur Fangio Marrone Jon Gruden Jay Gruden Gase Flores Patricia Shurmur I think I would rank Rivera, Garrett, O'Brien and possibly Vrabel ahead of McD. Difficult to put him in the top half of the league at this stage. Rivera's been to a Super Bowl. Garrett's had multiple playoff appearances. O'Brien won his division last year with 11 wins where he finished ahead of Colts with Reich ranked in the top 10. I'm still thinking about McD v Vrabel... however, that would land McD at #17, which is probably about fair Edited May 30, 2019 by cage 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Lulz at wonder-boy at #2... I hope he uses plenty of talcum powder to keep things dry with all the slobbering people do over his overrated self. There is no rational explanation for Sean McVey being ranked higher than Doug Pederson. Maybe that McVay has a better record? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Maybe that McVay has a better record? ? I found this for you: http://www.espn.com/nfl/superbowl/history/winners LII Feb. 4, 2018 U.S. Bank Stadium (Minneapolis) Philadelphia 41, New England 33 LIII Feb. 3, 2019 Mercedes-Benz Stadium (Atlanta) New England 13, Los Angeles Rams 3 You can argue record if you want, but that one says all that needs to be said. Also, if you remove Pedersons first year with the team and only compare the past two years you end up with this final breakdown: Pederson: 26-11 McVey: 26-10 Edited May 30, 2019 by whatdrought 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 6 hours ago, mykidsdad said: It's nearly impossible to grade a coach after two years with all of the roster turnover. And frankly how do you grade coach and not grade a coach as a coach-GM team. It's about the Johns and the Joes, not the X's and O's, right? Agreed. McD should be graded not only on W-L, but also for personnel strategy over the 2017 and 2018 off-seasons. He's running the show on personnel more than any previous Bills HC and the focus on defense before offense in 2017-18 demonstrates that. I want to see whether McD adapts to the modern game or remains a HC who plays it safe on offense and tries to keep games close with strong defense. He's into the 3rd off-season of running his defense and is now doing it with his guys. The question is whether he gives the offense more freedom, particularly after the spending spree this past off-season. Because if it's going to be a run oriented offense with a pedestrian passing game I think the ceiling for such a team is probably 9-7. McD has a lot to prove. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I found this for you: http://www.espn.com/nfl/superbowl/history/winners LII Feb. 4, 2018 U.S. Bank Stadium (Minneapolis) Philadelphia 41, New England 33 LIII Feb. 3, 2019 Mercedes-Benz Stadium (Atlanta) New England 13, Los Angeles Rams 3 You can argue record if you want, but that one says all that needs to be said. So Brian Billick is a better coach than Marv Levy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: So Brian Billick is a better coach than Marv Levy? And according to your argument that record without context is the determining factor, Mike McCarthy is a better coach than Bill Walsh. I'm saying that Pederson has accomplished more than McVey in the last two years by a huge margin when you look at the injuries and other issues he has overcome, and the main evidence of that fact is that he won the Superbowl against the very same team that bent McVey over. It's not just record, and It's not just Superbowls. It's the whole body of work. McVey is incredibly overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, whatdrought said: And according to your argument that record without context is the determining factor, Mike McCarthy is a better coach than Bill Walsh. I'm saying that Pederson has accomplished more than McVey in the last two years by a huge margin when you look at the injuries and other issues he has overcome, and the main evidence of that fact is that he won the Superbowl against the very same team that bent McVey over. It's not just record, and It's not just Superbowls. It's the whole body of work. McVey is incredibly overrated. I think Pederson is a good coach. I just think you are completely overrating the SB win in the big picture. McVay took over a 4-12 team and has gone 24-8 and made a guy people called a bust into a MVP candidate. Pederson took over a 7-9 team and has gone 29-19. Agaim, they are both good coaches. I just think McVay is better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Besides being the Bills coach, what in his resume says he is a top 10 coach? His 1 for 10 on challenges? His 15-17 record? Getting outscored by 105 and 57 points his first 2 years? Hiring 2 OCs that have had the 29 and 30 ranked offense? Starting Peterman? i think McDermott is a very good defensive coach. But like most nfl coaches, he is a dime a dozen. I think he is a nice guy who you would like to play for but I don’t see anything special he really does. However if Allen is really good, he will be a good coach. I think if this team doesn’t get at least 8 wins and show improvement on offense, his job might be on the line. with our roster last year, we should have been 4-12 at best. McD seems to squeeze an extra couple wins out of every roster. That's a better mark of coaching than overall win-loss. And this is just silly: "I think he is a nice guy who you would like to play for but I don’t see anything special he really does." McD has a very goal-focused, motivational style vaguely termed "The Process" that some players wouldn't like but others eat up. He instills intensity in every team activity. Some may not appreciate that his focus on work ethic and 24/7/365 personal improvement in all things (not just football) flows from an evangelical, almost Puritanical Christian faith identity. It does not work for everyone. But those who buy in become hard-core Process converts. It is not totally unique in football, but it is not "a dime a dozen." Love it or hate it, the Process is special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 It's silly to rank any guy who has never coached a game in the NFL before. Again, this is what happens when you have to fill a website every day with stuff. Guys write nonsense just to fill a space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I think Pederson is a good coach. I just think you are completely overrating the SB win in the big picture. McVay took over a 4-12 team and has gone 24-8 and made a guy people called a bust into a MVP candidate. Pederson took over a 7-9 team and has gone 29-19. Agaim, they are both good coaches. I just think McVay is better. But what does it matter if they can't win the Superbowl? I think you're underrating the Superbowl win because of what it shows- Pederson outcoached the GOAT, McVey fell like a paper house before him. Its a unique look because it was the same dang team. More to the point, McVey did a good job turning them around, no doubt (though you have to wonder how much of that proves his predecessors complete BS), but last year they bought a team to be able to win. They went out and bought all of the pieces needed and came short. Meanwhile, Pederson did the job with a team absolutely depleated by injury. As far as Goff goes, the same team that made him look like a bust made Pederson's Superbowl MVP look like a bust too.. Pederson's regular season win % is .604 compared to McVay's .750. Pederson's playoff win % is .800 compared to McVay's .500 That paints an obvious picture to me... Pederson has won more when it's counted, and he's done it against the odds and with beat up rosters. Besides, as useful as this conversation has been, I think the disagreement is probably a toss up anyways- I just can't stand the hype for McVey. So I will agree to disagree with you as long as we can agree that Gase ranked anywhere above like 30 is a criminal act of idiocy. Edited May 30, 2019 by whatdrought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Really the ranking should just be by their overall win percentage with an adjustment for playoff wins, conference championship wins, and Superbowl wins. Literally the only thing that matters for a coach is winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 8 hours ago, MJS said: Win games and the meaningless rankings will be more favorable. Winning cures everything. So if that's case who needs a pundit to tell you anything? Just look at the standings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: So if that's case who needs a pundit to tell you anything? Just look at the standings. Great point. Let's fire the pundits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, whatdrought said: But what does it matter if they can't win the Superbowl? I think you're underrating the Superbowl win because of what it shows- Pederson outcoached the GOAT, McVey fell like a paper house before him. Its a unique look because it was the same dang team. More to the point, McVey did a good job turning them around, no doubt (though you have to wonder how much of that proves his predecessors complete BS), but last year they bought a team to be able to win. They went out and bought all of the pieces needed and came short. Meanwhile, Pederson did the job with a team absolutely depleated by injury. As far as Goff goes, the same team that made him look like a bust made Pederson's Superbowl MVP look like a bust too.. Pederson's regular season win % is .604 compared to McVay's .750. Pederson's playoff win % is .800 compared to McVay's .500 That paints an obvious picture to me... Pederson has won more when it's counted, and he's done it against the odds and with beat up rosters. Besides, as useful as this conversation has been, I think the disagreement is probably a toss up anyways- I just can't stand the hype for McVey. So I will agree to disagree with you as long as we can agree that Gase ranked anywhere above like 30 is a criminal act of idiocy. He’s coached 2 seasons and is like 32! Man, we would have a riot if McVay was our coach and wasn’t ranked in the top 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: He’s coached 2 seasons and is like 32! Man, we would have a riot if McVay was our coach and wasn’t ranked in the top 3. Who cares how old he is? He's worshiped as a prodigy and he is a good coach and may have a great future, but he hasn't shown enough to be ranked as the second best coach in the NFL. Now, if the ranking is also taking into account potential for growth, that's fine. But He hasn't done more than Sean Peyton or Doug Pederson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 48 minutes ago, cage said: I think I would rank Rivera, Garrett, O'Brien and possibly Vrabel ahead of McD. Difficult to put him in the top half of the league at this stage. Rivera's been to a Super Bowl. Garrett's had multiple playoff appearances. O'Brien won his division last year with 11 wins where he finished ahead of Colts with Reich ranked in the top 10. I'm still thinking about McD v Vrabel... however, that would land McD at #17, which is probably about fair There is definitely room to move people around. I tried to do it without too much “resume factoring.” Jon Gruden won a Super Bowl and I don’t think he’s very good. My approach was pretty simple, “if my team could pick any current HC, what’s the order that I would draft them in?” So, while there is some “resume factoring” I really tried to look more at their coaching ability (or at least my perception of it). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 8 hours ago, MJS said: Win games and the meaningless rankings will be more favorable. Winning cures everything. Gruden (Raiders) is the biggest drop in expectations on the list maybe the writers should read the threads on here about Allen's cakewalk to the MVP this upcoming season, then they will get it right. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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