Which of these do we need to retire first?

[DallasMac]

McClappy?  Cmon now.  This place can do better.

[Kirby Jackson]

11 minutes ago, DallasMac said:

McClappy?  Cmon now.  This place can do better.

I wasn’t going to add it because it is used about 5% as often as the other 2. They are all terrible and lazy though.

[Fan in Chicago]

8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Now that we have reached peak offseason it feels like a good time for some spring cleaning. Which of these 2 gets voted off the island first? While they both need to go, let’s see which one TBD finds more annoying.

I am partial t McBeane ?

[cba fan]

7 hours ago, Logic said:

How did this even get to be a way of describing a hard working player? 

What is it about consistently bringing lunch to work that equates to work ethic?

Isn't it equally possible that an extremely lazy player would still bring food for himself to eat every day?

I just don't get it.

It is a long standing characteristic of a "blue collar worker" who by that very description is in reference to a hard worker.

A worker who is more driven and steady than skilled and carries the day because he never gives up. He just keeps on keeping on like the energizer bunny. He does not have the skills to be promoted or move up to a higher position in his field and just eats lunch day after day after day.

[LSHMEAB]

11 minutes ago, cba fan said:

It is a long standing characteristic of a "blue collar worker" who by that very description is in reference to a hard worker.

A worker who is more driven and steady than skilled and carries the day because he never gives up. He just keeps on keeping on like the energizer bunny. He does not have the skills to be promoted or move up to a higher position in his field and just eats lunch day after day after day.

I've never been a tradesman, but I've always wondered if they actually stuff their lunch in a "pail." If not, this whole lunchpail analogy is a big fat con!

[Augie]

16 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I've never been a tradesman, but I've always wondered if they actually stuff their lunch in a "pail." If not, this whole lunchpail analogy is a big fat con!

 

Think of a hard working 4th grader. And Spider Man! 

[cba fan]

19 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I've never been a tradesman, but I've always wondered if they actually stuff their lunch in a "pail." If not, this whole lunchpail analogy is a big fat con!

This is a lunch pail. And yes it was and is still a thing. Was actually a pail back in the day.

 

 

[BruceVilanch]

11 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

I’m fine with both.  I am, however, in favor of retiring “quick first step,” “lunch pail guy,” and “high motor.”

Gym rat? sneaky athleticism? plays faster than his tape? 

[BobbyC81]

15 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

I’m fine with both.  I am, however, in favor of retiring “quick first step,” “lunch pail guy,” and “high motor.”

 

I feel the same about “giving 110%”

[Bill from NYC]

Process all the way. It is embarrassing how he plagiarized that from Nick Saban, who has the championships to back up his call for a "process."

[LabattBlue]

As someone who has used McClappy in the past, I would be more than happy to stop using it, if I never have to read “trust the process” or the shortened version “process” ever again. 

[GunnerBill]

44 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Process all the way. It is embarrassing how he plagiarized that from Nick Saban, who has the championships to back up his call for a "process."

 

*college

[Jauronimo]

12 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I wasn’t going to add it because it is used about 5% as often as the other 2. They are all terrible and lazy though.

Didn't trust the process actually come from Flicky McBean?  Unlike the other two, fans did not originate trustworthy processes.

[buffalostu2]

It might need to be changed to "blindly trust the process".   They have never laid out the process for any of us to believe in.   

 

Whatever they do we take it as pre planned and call it "the process".   Processes are documented before execution and communicated to create what is called mobilized commitment.       

 

This doesn't mean they don't have a process planned.  You just can't ask people to believe in something they don't have any knowledge of.   

 

Maybe "trust us" or "trust the path" would be a better tagline. 

[TigerJ]

3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Process all the way. It is embarrassing how he plagiarized that from Nick Saban, who has the championships to back up his call for a "process."

So, he shouldn't borrow a philosophical position on how to run a team from the most successful college coach of all time?

[billsfan1959]

I'm in favor of retiring all three...

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

McBeane isn't an insult or term of endearment. For better or worse, McDermott and Beane work very closely, and the lines are blurred, at least in the public eye, as to which one made the final decision. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Steel Sharpens Steel   (or whatever) 

[WhoTom]

5 hours ago, ColeB said:

 

I feel the same about “giving 110%”

 

When Madden was on MNF, I remember him talking about a player who had a 4.4 GPA in college. He said it was because the kid took graduate classes as an undergrad, so they counted as more. I was thinking, "Come on, John ... say it: he gave 110%." The one time it would have been correct, and he didn't say it.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

26 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

 

When Madden was on MNF, I remember him talking about a player who had a 4.4 GPA in college. He said it was because the kid took graduate classes as an undergrad, so they counted as more. I was thinking, "Come on, John ... say it: he gave 110%." The one time it would have been correct, and he didn't say it.

 

Madden was maddening 

 

Helmet speakers ....  To increase the volume they changed the "attenuation" which would get the QB's attention to improve or some such silliness 

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

*college

Yes, the most of all time. How many does the coach of your favorite college team have?

 

[GunnerBill]

56 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Yes, the most of all time. How many does the coach of your favorite college team have?

 

 

I don't have a favourite college team. 

[Bill from NYC]

3 hours ago, TigerJ said:

So, he shouldn't borrow a philosophical position on how to run a team from the most successful college coach of all time?

Good point. It just seems a bit odd to me but I suppose it isn't a big deal.

[cba fan]

3 hours ago, TigerJ said:

So, he shouldn't borrow a philosophical position on how to run a team from the most successful college coach of all time?

No you shouldn't.

 

college and NFL is apples to oranges in regard to championships.

 

In the past champions were "voted" in.

since beginning of time all the best top players go to the same 5 programs. Just like Duke in basketball.

if you can not have success getting all the top athletes in your sport every year like these top programs get then you are not a good coach. Or even average.

 

Patriots would win every Super Bowl into infinity if they got the top 10 drafted players every year and top 5 free agents every year like Alabama effectively does.

Edited May 8, 2019 by cba fan

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, cba fan said:

No you shouldn't.

 

college and NFL is apples to oranges in regard to championships.

 

In the past champions were "voted" in.

since beginning of time all the best top players go to the same 5 programs. Just like Duke in basketball.

if you can not have success getting all the top athletes in your sport every year like these top programs get then you are not a good coach. Or even average.

 

Patriots would win every Super Bowl into infinity if they got the top 10 drafted players every year and top 5 free agents every year like Alabama effectively does.

The flip side to that is that the college coaching job is a combination of coaching and GM. The overall “program” isn’t much different from the NFL. The NFL has taken a big page from college recently in terms of “recruiting (hence the new facility). You need to create an environment that maximizes the player’s value and satisfaction. The Bills signed the most FA (I think) and NO ONE would argue that it’s a prime FA destination. It’s the infrastructure in place that allows them to attract guys that the Bengals can’t. Alabama couldn’t recruit with David Shula, Notre Dame with Bob Davies, the Bills with Modrak/Guy, UM with Brady Hoke, and now you are seeing it at USC. It isn’t that different. 

Edited May 8, 2019 by Kirby Jackson

[Kirby Jackson]

Also, I’m removing “McClappy” from the poll. It isn’t used anywhere near as often as the other 2 and is kind of an “easy out” because it’s meant to be insulting. Which saying that people use (that sucks) needs to go? It is Process vs. McBeane

[C.Biscuit97]

This poll is the closet race ever.  I think we need a state no one wants to live in to decide it (I kid!). 

[Kirby Jackson]

11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

This poll is the closet race ever.  I think we need a state no one wants to live in to decide it (I kid!). 

We have a couple of evenly matched candidates that no one wants to win. It’s the 2016 election all over...

[blacklabel]

On 5/7/2019 at 2:49 PM, North Buffalo said:

I like McBeane

 

Yeah, I'm a fan of McBeane, it's a combination of the two dudes running this team. Easier than always saying, "Beane and McDermott."

[BUFFALOKIE]

22 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

"Chip on their shoulder"

My father has ALWAYS been the guy with a chip on his shoulder just daring you to knock it off, cuz he will kick you and your three buddies asses if you do (so the legend goes).

 

So, it is a good cliche, but definately over used and inappropriate for most.

 

Pops is 69 and lives with me now so I have heard the tales 2000 times lol. Angry SOB wanted to throw down with some young bucks over his fishing spot last weekend!

Edited May 8, 2019 by BUFFALOKIE

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, blacklabel said:

 

Yeah, I'm a fan of McBeane, it's a combination of the two dudes running this team. Easier than always saying, "Beane and McDermott."

That’s what I hate about it. They have different jobs!! We don’t refer to Josh Allen and Jerry Hughes as “Hallen.” 

[without a drought]

I hope everyone realizes that McBeane is not a cliche. It takes a little more than something just said too often.

 

Might as well remove that one from the poll also.

[Kirby Jackson]

29 minutes ago, without a drought said:

I hope everyone realizes that McBeane is not a cliche. It takes a little more than something just said too often.

 

Might as well remove that one from the poll also.

Or just change the title to, “which of these is worse?” That will hopefully appease the grammar police. 

[without a drought]

47 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Or just change the title to, “which of these is worse?” That will hopefully appease the grammar police. 

Who said anything about grammar?

[BillsfaninChicago]

Trust the Process really isn’t even our expression. McBean is helpful for easy reference and having a GM and a coach on the same page is a good thing!

[Buffalo86]

I don't mind trust the process because I trust the process.  I don't mind McBeane because I like having a GM & HC working together to make us a contender for the first time in 20 years.  McBeane is also good for not getting sucked into arguments over which of McDermott or Beane was directly responsible for this or that.  Was Ed Oliver McDermott's guy, or Beane's guy?  In truth, he was McBeane's.

 

[Kirby Jackson]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo86 said:

I don't mind trust the process because I trust the process.  I don't mind McBeane because I like having a GM & HC working together to make us a contender for the first time in 20 years.  McBeane is also good for not getting sucked into arguments over which of McDermott or Beane was directly responsible for this or that.  Was Ed Oliver McDermott's guy, or Beane's guy?  In truth, he was McBeane's.

 

This is where we are in 100% disagreement. The scouting staff prepares the reports. The personnel department analyzes the players and the GM picks the guy that they want. The Bills are certainly collaborative but personnel decisions are made by Beane’s team. Joe Schoen and Dan Morgan ABSOLUTELY have a bigger say in that room than McDermott. That’s always the case. They aren’t interchangeable despite their collaboration.

[Kirby Jackson]

35 minutes ago, without a drought said:

Who said anything about grammar?

“Grammar Police” has commonly been used around here to refer to those taking issue with something other than the topic. You took issue with “cliche” applying to McBeane. One of the definitions of “cliche” is “something that has become overly familiar or commonplace.” I would say that McBeane, especially in these parts, would meet that definition. 

[DrDawkinstein]

On 5/7/2019 at 2:47 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

Now that we have reached peak offseason it feels like a good time for some spring cleaning. Which of these 2 gets voted off the island first? While they both need to go, let’s see which one TBD finds more annoying.

 

Oh yeah? Well the Cliche store called and they want to retire YOU!

 

I'll be using both through the rest of this season. I Trust McBeane's Process!

[without a drought]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

“Grammar Police” has commonly been used around here to refer to those taking issue with something other than the topic. You took issue with “cliche” applying to McBeane. One of the definitions of “cliche” is “something that has become overly familiar or commonplace.” I would say that McBeane, especially in these parts, would meet that definition. 

So grammar police is a cliche?