Phil The Thrill Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) Even though the Bills didn’t draft a WR in this year’s draft, there is still a lot of competition at WR in the roster. Going on the assumption that the team will keep WR’s, we are either looking at some surprising cuts or a ton of completion for 1 WR spot. Locked in: WR1 John Brown WR2 Cole Beasley These two aren’t going getting to get cut in 2019. Probable WR3 Robert Foster WR4 Zay Jones Both receivers need to have big years. Foster needs to continue the progress he showed last season. Zay needs to live up to his potential and show why he should be considered for a 2nd contract. Unless they have a disastrous training camp, I see them as likely members of the roster Questionable: WR5 Andre Roberts Not a true WR in actuality but an important part of the return game. I don’t see the team carrying an additional spot as only a KR/PR but we’ll see. Competition for WR6: Duke Williams Ray Ray McLeod 3 Isaiah McKenzie Cam Phillips Da’Mari Scott Victor Bolden Jr Nick Easley (UFA) David Sills (UFA) A lot of competition for likely 1 roster spot. It should be a lot of fun to watch. I’m quietly pulling for either Duke or David Sills. I do like Easley too Edited May 1, 2019 by Phil The Thrill 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Just not a good looking group of recievers. Cross your fingers nobody gets seriously hurt. I think McKenzie makes the team as one of your WRs. Sounds about right. Definitely not your team 2 9 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I'm really hoping Duke Williams will be special. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Just not a good looking group of recievers. Cross your fingers nobody gets seriously hurt. I think McKenzie makes the team as one of your WRs. Looks fine to me 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I think McKenzie makes the team as one of your WRs. Based on what? I don't know much about him but the stats look a little meh. What are we getting in this little guy? Isaiah McKenzie Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb Career 19 1 43 22 208 9.5 0 23 1.2 10.9 51.2% 4.8 11 70 2 15 6.4 3.7 0.6 33 8.4 278 2 8 2 yrs DEN 12 0 13 4 29 7.3 0 14 0.3 2.4 30.8% 2.2 1 4 0 4 4.0 0.3 0.1 5 6.6 33 0 6 1 yr BUF 7 1 30 18 179 9.9 0 23 2.6 25.6 60.0% 6.0 10 66 2 15 6.6 9.4 1.4 28 8.8 245 2 2017 22 DEN 84 11 0 13 4 29 7.3 0 14 0.4 2.6 30.8% 2.2 1 4 0 4 4.0 0.4 0.1 5 6.6 33 0 6 2018 23 2TM 8 1 30 18 179 9.9 0 23 2.3 22.4 60.0% 6.0 10 66 2 15 6.6 8.3 1.3 28 8.8 245 2 2 BUF wr 19 7 1 30 18 179 9.9 0 23 2.6 25.6 6.0 10 66 2 15 6.6 9.4 1.4 28 8.8 245 2 2 Edited May 1, 2019 by Lurker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) It’s an underwhelming group for sure but better than last year. Brown and Beasley are capable NFL receivers and Foster appears to be one as well. If the Bills had someone at the top of that depth chart it would be a pretty good group. They have some skills that balance each other out and some speed. I’m hoping for Sills to make the team. I could see him stealing snaps from Zay if he develops. I don’t hate Duke as an option either. Roberts, to me, is a special teams guy. I’d rather keep an extra WR than DiMarco. Edited May 1, 2019 by Kirby Jackson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) It’s an average group of WRs, with potential to be more due to the youth of Foster and Zay. People need to stop acting like we have scrubs at WR. This isn’t 2018 anymore. I think Andre Roberts makes the team as our defense is hopefully forcing a lot of punts deep in oppo territory. WR6 comes down to Duke or Sills (IMO) Edited May 1, 2019 by SCBills 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I guess Duke or McKenzie, but I'd rather see someone better that's not here yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: It’s an average group of WRs, with potential to be more due to the youth of Foster and Zay. People need to stop acting like we have scrubs at WR. This isn’t 2018 anymore. I think Andre Roberts makes the team as our defense is hopefully forcing a lot of punts deep in oppo territory. WR6 comes down to Duke or Sills (IMO) I’m not trying to be “that guy” but it’s hard to argue average. Average would imply middle of the league ish. They are not there. They are improved from last year but it is absolutely one of the worst receiving groups in the league. They are somewhere in the low 20’s at best. With that being said, the addition of a number 1 next year and everyone getting bumped down could make them a pretty good group. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I wouldn't be surprised if Zay was on the bubble. he may get pushed down further than you think. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Just not a good looking group of recievers. Cross your fingers nobody gets seriously hurt. I think McKenzie makes the team as one of your WRs. The competition for the #6 WR is almost always the most contested spot on the team. In terms of sheer quantity it's what the RB position used to be. No shortage of #6 WR around the league(or on the street come September). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m not trying to be “that guy” but it’s hard to argue average. Average would imply middle of the league ish. They are not there. They are improved from last year but it is absolutely one of the worst receiving groups in the league. They are somewhere in the low 20’s at best. With that being said, the addition of a number 1 next year and everyone getting bumped down could make them a pretty good group. We’ll see. The AFCE WR Units are trash. It’s not crazy to say that we’re some Zay Jones improvements away from having the best group in the division. To be clear, I’d love to trade for a Nelson Algholar as Zay Jones insurance, but an OL & Running Game should make these guys look a lot better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacoy38 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 These WR “groups “ are only as good as the QB. Allen needs to improve- I think he will. Biggest area of beef is the Offensive line. Improvement there will make everyone look better . Our GM/ coach are going off Carolina model that went to a Super Bowl with Tedd Ginn as top wide out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: We’ll see. The AFCE WR Units are trash. It’s not crazy to say that we’re some Zay Jones improvements away from having the best group in the division. To be clear, I’d love to trade for a Nelson Algholar as Zay Jones insurance, but an OL & Running Game should make these guys look a lot better. The AFC East WR aren’t very good. We agree there. I’d say that Anderson, Enunwa and Crowder is better than the Bills. The Pats still have Edelman and are adding Demaryius and Harry. They have to be ahead of the Bills. The Dolphins are an absolute dumpster fire and I’d have the Bills above them. I think that the Raiders, 49ers and Redskins are pretty weak as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 What’s good, gents? What’s good? Just YE OLE’s two cents, but this WR group isn’t bad at all. Both Beasley and John Brown have been productive 2/3 type receivers on good teams. Zay caught 56 balls and 7 TDs last year. Foster looked the part of being a cut above all these guys in the last several weeks last season. Worst case, these guys are average. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I think it will come down to Duke Williams or David Sills. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I think you underestimate the importance of Andre Roberts for this team as s returner. I would be absolutely shocked if he didn’t make the 53. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m not trying to be “that guy” but it’s hard to argue average. Average would imply middle of the league ish. They are not there. They are improved from last year but it is absolutely one of the worst receiving groups in the league. They are somewhere in the low 20’s at best. With that being said, the addition of a number 1 next year and everyone getting bumped down could make them a pretty good group. Im a little higher on the group than you are, but I do agree they are missing a #1 WR. With that being said, it’s a much better WR group than last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I doubt players like DaMari Scott or Victor Bolden are really going to be much of a factor in any WR competition. Duke Williams, Isaiah McKenzie and maybe David Sills are the more likely players in this competition. Easley sounds like he might have some potential as a slot receiver, but he's not beating out Beasley, and I don't know that Buffalo is going to carry a guy on the roster who is only a backup slot receiver. Maybe he hooks on with the PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Slacks Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I believe Allen elevates the talent at WR. Most good quarterbacks do that. Last year Josh allen was arguably the best player on the field for us the last few weeks. I believe he continues to progress. It doesn’t even need to be a major jump. Just steady improvement. I think JA will help make these WR look better. Also I think these WR’s can get it done. Too many people seem to think that we must have this all star #1 WR. I just don’t think there are that many even in our league. There can’t be more than 10-15. Surely not every team has a big time receiver. We aren’t the only team lacking a true number one. That being said I wouldn’t be bummed at all if we were able to find someone via trade. My my vote for #6 is Duke Williams. Also I don’t think Roberts is a sure bet. I know he is good and led the league in returns. But other talent could rise for a returner. However Roberts does have production as a WR in the past. So I do think it’s probably 80/20 chance he makes it. There red will be a couple of FA’s we signed that I wouldn’t be shocked if they were cut/traded. We signed so many. It’s a beautiful thing having decent competition this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) Zay still has upside. I see Allen Hurns type ceiling possible. Which is solid possession wr. Beasley is a known commodity. Josh short game development will make or break him. Brown is a better Foster based on prior work. Both make. Easley is a Beasly clone. He’s a PS stash in my opinion. Sills, Duke fight it out for the last WR spot. Robert is a clear favorite to win KR PR. Mckenzie and Ray Ray are going to have to win every rep to even stay in the conversation Edited May 1, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I think you underestimate the importance of Andre Roberts for this team as s returner. I would be absolutely shocked if he didn’t make the 53. I’m not underestimating him. That is why I penciled him in for a WR roster spot. I don’t see him getting many snaps at WR though and I also don’t see the team keeping 7 WR’s on the roster. That’s why the last WR spot is going to be very competitive 2 minutes ago, TigerJ said: I doubt players like DaMari Scott or Victor Bolden are really going to be much of a factor in any WR competition. Duke Williams, Isaiah McKenzie and maybe David Sills are the more likely players in this competition. Easley sounds like he might have some potential as a slot receiver, but he's not beating out Beasley, and I don't know that Buffalo is going to carry a guy on the roster who is only a backup slot receiver. Maybe he hooks on with the PS. Easley seems like a good candidate for the PS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 22 minutes ago, SCBills said: We’ll see. The AFCE WR Units are trash. It’s not crazy to say that we’re some Zay Jones improvements away from having the best group in the division. To be clear, I’d love to trade for a Nelson Algholar as Zay Jones insurance, but an OL & Running Game should make these guys look a lot better. Have to agree that a running threat matters. So will a real TE a position we may not have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Zay still has upside. I see Allen Hurns type ceiling possible. Which is solid possession wr. Beasley is a known commodity. Josh short game development will make or break him. Brown is a better Foster. Both make. Easily is a Beasly clone. He’s a PS stash in my opinion. Sills, Duke fight it out for the last WR spot. Robert is a clear favorite to win KR PR. Mckenzie and Ray Ray are going to have to win every rep to even stay in the conversation So you think they keep 7 WR’s including Roberts? I don’t see that happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: So you think they keep 7 WR’s including Roberts? I don’t see that happening 5wr + 1 return specialist is where I am 6 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Zay (1) still has upside. I see Allen Hurns type ceiling possible. Which is solid possession wr. Beasley (2) is a known commodity. Josh short game development will make or break him. Brown is a better Foster based on prior work. Both make. (3&4) Easley is a Beasly clone. He’s a PS stash in my opinion. Sills, Duke fight it out for the last WR spot. (5) Robert is a clear favorite to win KR PR. (6) Mckenzie and Ray Ray are going to have to win every rep to even stay in the conversation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I think the receiving group looks amazing honestly. They all bring their own unique thing to the team. I do think it’s gonna be Brown Foster Beasley Zay Roberts then whoever wins 6. But I don’t think it’ll be McKenzie Roberts is our returner, but I think he’ll also get used on the offense similar to McKenzie last year with jet sweeps and screens etc etc that kinda “weapon” The rest will surely have a heck of a battle for that one spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 28 minutes ago, lacoy38 said: These WR “groups “ are only as good as the QB. Allen needs to improve- I think he will. Biggest area of beef is the Offensive line. Improvement there will make everyone look better . Our GM/ coach are going off Carolina model that went to a Super Bowl with Tedd Ginn as top wide out. That's the problem. The blueprint of recently successful teams breaking in young QB's is putting WR's in place that can elevate those QB's game. The Bills are giving Allen a bottom 1/3 of the league WR corps and seeing if he sinks or swims. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I don’t know if anyone is locked in- it is going to be a big battle imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 18 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: Have to agree that a running threat matters. So will a real TE a position we may not have. I like Kroft. We’re at least where we were last year with broken down Clay & Croom. Whether we upgrade is up to Knox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Sure, but it's a bit of a disappointment on how they went about it THIS offseason.... it's a crucial year for the team and Allen and they didn't give him many if any match up advantages at the receiving position. Saying wait till next year is just a ***** way to go about things, IMO. I don’t disagree but I’d say they tried. They tried to get the best WR in the league. This draft wasn’t full of number 1 receivers and that’s what the Bills need. They have plenty of guys that can be 2-6. They have guys that have capably filled those roles already. A matchup problem would be great but who? It’s like saying “we are drafting a QB this year” and then getting stuck with EJ Manuel because he’s the best available. I’m on record as saying a swing at DK in round 2 would have been a good idea. He COULD become that number 1. It’s just hard when the guys aren’t out there. Edited May 1, 2019 by Kirby Jackson 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Duke Williams playing strong enough be part of this offense would be a very good thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 7 WRs, 4 RBs, and 4 TEs? Not happening. The reality is teams don't get that much production out of fourth and fifth receivers. Sixth and seventh receivers are almost never going to see the field. roster spots are generally too precious to waste like that. Running backs take a lot more of a beating, and it's easier to see 4 RBs (plus a FB) on a roster than 7 WRs. Teams will ordinarily want at least 3 TEs because 2 TR formations are pretty common and teams like to have a spare in case of injury. Its not unusual to see teams carry a couple extra TEs, as some teams sometimes like to use three TE formations on occasion. Tight ends are much more useful in the running game, and can be just as effective in the passing game, if they're good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Lurker said: Based on what? I don't know much about him but the stats look a little meh. What are we getting in this little guy? Isaiah McKenzie Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb Career 19 1 43 22 208 9.5 0 23 1.2 10.9 51.2% 4.8 11 70 2 15 6.4 3.7 0.6 33 8.4 278 2 8 2 yrs DEN 12 0 13 4 29 7.3 0 14 0.3 2.4 30.8% 2.2 1 4 0 4 4.0 0.3 0.1 5 6.6 33 0 6 1 yr BUF 7 1 30 18 179 9.9 0 23 2.6 25.6 60.0% 6.0 10 66 2 15 6.6 9.4 1.4 28 8.8 245 2 2017 22 DEN 84 11 0 13 4 29 7.3 0 14 0.4 2.6 30.8% 2.2 1 4 0 4 4.0 0.4 0.1 5 6.6 33 0 6 2018 23 2TM 8 1 30 18 179 9.9 0 23 2.3 22.4 60.0% 6.0 10 66 2 15 6.6 8.3 1.3 28 8.8 245 2 2 BUF wr 19 7 1 30 18 179 9.9 0 23 2.6 25.6 6.0 10 66 2 15 6.6 9.4 1.4 28 8.8 245 2 2 See those 10 rushes for 66 yards and 2 TD's? IIRC, the majority of those yards came in the last few games. I think Daboll would love to expand on that and also get him the ball in the flat. The guy can be a weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Why must a team have a number 1 receiver? What's wrong with a number of competent wideouts that give Allen multiple options and pose problems for defenses? The Duke Williams experiment could prove very interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 right now i, and i think they, like Isaah Mckenzie BUT A LOT CAN HAPPEN BEFORE FINAL CUTS, may want someone with size, also Zay is at risk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 McKenzie and Roberts make it as 5,6 because they can provide return and jet sweep abilities. I think we could even go with 7 WRs this year if we plan on being spread and keep a bunch of OL that play multiple positions. My opinion is that Sills has no chance because she showed no ability to get open during senior bowl week against press and at WV he was often not pressed. There is a reason he didn’t get drafted! Williams is a big wish upon a star but his frame would be a great skill set for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Why keep an average or below average WR? Honestly I would rather they keep an extra o-line like Bodine and/or Teller. Half of these guys who get cut will be available later in the year if they have injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 It'd be nice if Sills and D. Williams both turned out and both made the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Just not a good looking group of recievers. Cross your fingers nobody gets seriously hurt. I think McKenzie makes the team as one of your WRs. I disagree. Its a solid group. Just like NE has had. Better than what Cam had his MVP season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 7 WR will be on the final 53 Brown Beasley Foster Zay Duke Sills Roberts Might not be the 7 but I guarantee we keep 6 PLUS Roberts. Because Roberts returns punts and kicks at a pro bowl level we can afford this luxury. He is a top 2 return man in the league and can totally change complexions of games. Totally worth a roster spot comitted to that. Why should we essentially carry only 5 WRs cause thats Roberts position? If he was a CB should we count him against the CBs? If he was a RB do we cut Gore or Yeldon to keep him? Cant think inside the box all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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