BillyWhiteShows Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 So many names have been thrown around here and now we are seeing some of the mock drafts come out. There’s a lot of players that fans either want or want to avoid like the plague! To be honest, if you would have asked me last year I would have put Josh Allen (the QB from Wyoming....not the LB from Kentucky) on this list. But in the end I’m glad he was my selection. Here are two choices - neither which will be very popular: 1. Eddie Oliver - he is a physical freak, no doubt but I’m not so sure if he’s the 3 technique DT that we need. Does not have the technique nor the size to get a pass rush from the middle. He could transition to DE and have the flexibility that McDermott covets. But I am most concerned about his smaller size and wonder if there are better players for the Bills specific need at DT. 2. DK Metcalf - another physical freak. What concerns me about DK is there were several games where he was quiet and then he’d make a huge catch. The lack of consistency is concerning as is his ability to run routes. He is not running a full route tree and instead just runs fly routes. That’s what he does best. The Bills already have 2 WR’s who could do this in Foster and Brown. Also there have been bigger WR’s like DK who have not translate too well. Like I said I could be wrong but that’s my impression. How about you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 As a Michigan fan, Gary. Reminds me of Funchess. Was supposed to dominate and by all accounts should have, but never really put it together. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Isaiah Prince Mike Weber unless late LJ Scott 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 I’m with the OP, I am leery of both Metcalf (production and injuries) and Oliver (under-sized). I’m not saying that I would hate either, just that I am more worried about those two than the seeming majority of TBD who love these two. Other potential 1st round picks that I’d shy away from: Rashan Gary: With his physical abilities, why was he not dominant? Some suggestions that he played all season with an injured shoulder might allow a team to justify his lower than expected production. Brian Burns: To his credit, he put on at least 20 lbs of muscle in the last 3 months, weighing nearly 250 at the combine. But, can anyone look at his games from 2018 and really believe that he weighed more than 225-230? If he really put on 20lbs of muscle in less than 3 months, then 1 - can he really maintain that weight through a season? 2 - Did he have steroid help to put on that much muscle? Can anyone really put on that much muscle in 2.5 months naturally? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Gary is a concern. I'm going to say if they stay at 9 and pick an OT that would be a mistake. None of the prospects are dominating LT prospects. Right now the transition from college spread to NFL effects the Lineman the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Just say NO to Hock and Isabella. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_D Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said: To be honest, if you would have asked me last year I would have put Josh Allen (the QB from Wyoming....not the LB from Kentucky) on this list. See what I mean by context? Obviously its NOT the LB from Kentucky... Completely different draft years. Jeesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Rashan Gary Jachal Polite Isaiah Prince Any CB drafted in rd 1. Any other defensive lineman that can’t get to the QB 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, BillyWhiteShows said: So many names have been thrown around here and now we are seeing some of the mock drafts come out. There’s a lot of players that fans either want or want to avoid like the plague! To be honest, if you would have asked me last year I would have put Josh Allen (the QB from Wyoming....not the LB from Kentucky) on this list. But in the end I’m glad he was my selection. Here are two choices - neither which will be very popular: 1. Eddie Oliver - he is a physical freak, no doubt but I’m not so sure if he’s the 3 technique DT that we need. Does not have the technique nor the size to get a pass rush from the middle. He could transition to DE and have the flexibility that McDermott covets. But I am most concerned about his smaller size and wonder if there are better players for the Bills specific need at DT. 2. DK Metcalf - another physical freak. What concerns me about DK is there were several games where he was quiet and then he’d make a huge catch. The lack of consistency is concerning as is his ability to run routes. He is not running a full route tree and instead just runs fly routes. That’s what he does best. The Bills already have 2 WR’s who could do this in Foster and Brown. Also there have been bigger WR’s like DK who have not translate too well. Like I said I could be wrong but that’s my impression. How about you? I'm all in on this. With respect to DK, I am leery of guys whose biggest claim to fame is great measurable and a stellar combine performance. It is mind boggling to me that people would ignore on field performance and favor a combine performance. Oliver reminds me of Dion Jordan. I remember watching his tape and thinking that Jordan either made an amazing play or was completely blown up. There was no in between. He would make these stellar plays, then be an absolute liability the rest of the time. That is pretty much Oliver. He is either making a tackle for a loss, or getting completely removed from the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Well someone had to say it. Kyler Murray? Right? Too small, system quarterback, he may die on the field if Aaron Donald sacks him too hard. I kid kid. For me it’s absolutely Metcalf. I’m having weird flashbacks to the Maybin pick. Obviously kinda different but still the same premise for me. Very little production on tape and an elite combine. If I’m picking in the top 10 I gotta have a player who was productive and elite in college. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I'm all in on this. With respect to DK, I am leery of guys whose biggest claim to fame is great measurable and a stellar combine performance. It is mind boggling to me that people would ignore on field performance and favor a combine performance. Oliver reminds me of Dion Jordan. I remember watching his tape and thinking that Jordan either made an amazing play or was completely blown up. There was no in between. He would make these stellar plays, then be an absolute liability the rest of the time. That is pretty much Oliver. He is either making a tackle for a loss, or getting completely removed from the play. I don’t see this at all. Crazy how people can see things in 2 completely different lights. Oliver’s motor is among the best in the draft. He chases plays down all over the field. Jordan never had a motor. Ever. He had a huge wingspan that had the league drooling. That’s all. Oliver and Jordan is such a strange comparison imo. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I'm all in on this. With respect to DK, I am leery of guys whose biggest claim to fame is great measurable and a stellar combine performance. It is mind boggling to me that people would ignore on field performance and favor a combine performance. Oliver reminds me of Dion Jordan. I remember watching his tape and thinking that Jordan either made an amazing play or was completely blown up. There was no in between. He would make these stellar plays, then be an absolute liability the rest of the time. That is pretty much Oliver. He is either making a tackle for a loss, or getting completely removed from the play. I normally agree with you on this, but people keep forgetting DK was on his way to a big season but had the neck injury. He's not just a combine warrior. I had been saying all offseason long before the combine he was likely going to be the top WR on the board come draft day, and many others here and in the media said the same thing. Its not like the combine took an obscure guy and brought him into the light. People who don't know a lot about him check his stats and don't check the context. So I get while at first glance he looks underwhelming from production side, but had he not have gotten hurt he would be talked about as a top 5 pick even before the combine and would have even more Calvin and Julio comparisons. Like I said, I am not a fan of combine heroes either, but it doesn't always tell the whole story. DK has immense potential and is not just a combine hero. None of that guarantees success, but he is certainly a better prospect than just a guy who did well at the combine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Polite DE FL Any Ohio State OL Gary DL MI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 DK Metcalf Rashan Gary Montez Sweat The look like Tarzan play like Jane prospects always really worry me. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I normally agree with you on this, but people keep forgetting DK was on his way to a big season but had the neck injury. He's not just a combine warrior. I had been saying all offseason long before the combine he was likely going to be the top WR on the board come draft day, and many others here and in the media said the same thing. Its not like the combine took an obscure guy and brought him into the light. People who don't know a lot about him check his stats and don't check the context. So I get while at first glance he looks underwhelming from production side, but had he not have gotten hurt he would be talked about as a top 5 pick even before the combine and would have even more Calvin and Julio comparisons. Like I said, I am not a fan of combine heroes either, but it doesn't always tell the whole story. DK has immense potential and is not just a combine hero. None of that guarantees success, but he is certainly a better prospect than just a guy who did well at the combine. That is a pretty stellar point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napmaster Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) That Chris Rock lookin kid from LSU, unless Tre talks him up. Edited March 31, 2019 by napmaster typo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) I see some people not liking Isaiah Prince... I thought he looked decent... something I don't know? Edited March 31, 2019 by akcash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Rico said: Just say NO to Hock and Isabella. Ya mean T.J. Derpenson and Andy Derpsabella? They seem like derptastic draft choices, though. Why not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, akcash said: I see some people not liking Isaiah Prince... I thought he looked decent... something I don't know? Your optomotrist’s phone #? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offyourocker Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 DK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: I’m with the OP, I am leery of both Metcalf (production and injuries) and Oliver (under-sized). I’m not saying that I would hate either, just that I am more worried about those two than the seeming majority of TBD who love these two. Other potential 1st round picks that I’d shy away from: Rashan Gary: With his physical abilities, why was he not dominant? Some suggestions that he played all season with an injured shoulder might allow a team to justify his lower than expected production. Brian Burns: To his credit, he put on at least 20 lbs of muscle in the last 3 months, weighing nearly 250 at the combine. But, can anyone look at his games from 2018 and really believe that he weighed more than 225-230? If he really put on 20lbs of muscle in less than 3 months, then 1 - can he really maintain that weight through a season? 2 - Did he have steroid help to put on that much muscle? Can anyone really put on that much muscle in 2.5 months naturally? You absolutely can get those kind of gains in 2 or 3 months. When I start working out for soft ball I weigh 220 and in about 3 months I get up to around 237. I am also just doing basic pyramid workouts with dumbbells and free weights and only training for about 1.5 hours. This guy was probably working out 2 or 3 times a day with a trainer and nutritionist. I would say you can easily put on that weight in 2 or 3 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custcarcen Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Definitely not Metcalf. Not a great route runner and that's a more important factor than speed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Rashan Gary DK Metcalf unless he somehow slips to the 2nd Jachai Polite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Rashan gary Greg Little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 DK Metcalf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Burns looks a little like Maybin. No Josh Jacob's at #9 but I could live with it if we trade down and pick up another 2nd rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Oliver is the guy that both scares me and excites me. I don’t think any of these WR’s are 1st rd picks but there are a lot I wouldn’t mind taking in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Metcalf at 9 would scare me, I don’t think he will be a bust but at 9 I don’t think he would live up to the early pick. There are 2 guys I feel will make a few pro bowls and be very good players when we pick at 9 in D. White / Jonha Williams. Burns is also a guy that I like a lot and I would be very happy with the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Rico said: Just say NO to Hock and Isabella. Hocken-stun and Is-a-baller? Looks like two pieces in a damn-near perfect offense... But let's not draft any players that dominated at their college position. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 38 minutes ago, akcash said: I see some people not liking Isaiah Prince... I thought he looked decent... something I don't know? Not a good scouting report https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/isaiah-prince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Any other defensive lineman that can’t get to the QB This times 10000x. We've got a space eater. We need PLAYMAKERS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Not a good scouting report https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/isaiah-prince He has film out there from 2017 that would make your eyes water. 2018 was also brutal at times. 5 star recruit my ass. He’s enormous, a nice kid, and a hard worker. I’ll give him that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 This board is going to spontaneously combust (rightfully so) if Gary is the pick at 9. And I'm a die-hard Michigan fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) Mine have been hit here already: Metcalf: Worried about ability to run full route tree and stay on the field Gary: Lack of college production, should have dominated Burns: Undersized, will be pushed around by NFL lineman Little: Bad work habits and love for game do not improve once rich Edited April 3, 2019 by Just Joshin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Estro said: DK Metcalf Rashan Gary Montez Sweat The look like Tarzan play like Jane prospects always really worry me. You left out, “Smells like Cheetah.” . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Rashan Gary makes me nervous for some reason. Any cornerback before the 4th round, because White, Wallace, and Johnson seem to be the locked in starting trio. If the answer is "for competition and depth!", I say: Why did we sign Kevin Johnson and EJ Gaines and hang on to Ryan Lewis and Lafayette Pitts, then? Normally I'm all for drafting a corner every year. After solidifying our starting three and signing Johnson and Gaines, though, I'm against using a day 1 or 2 pick on a corner this year. It just doesn't make any sense from a roster building standpoint, and the Bills have too many other needs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Metcalf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Metcalf. Workout warrior, NFL defensive backfields will make him what he is and will be, a physically gifted, lazy route runner who is fast. Teams and fans always fall in love with the freaks and overlook the limitations. And haven't we learned with top 10 "can't miss WRs"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 4 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said: So many names have been thrown around here and now we are seeing some of the mock drafts come out. There’s a lot of players that fans either want or want to avoid like the plague! To be honest, if you would have asked me last year I would have put Josh Allen (the QB from Wyoming....not the LB from Kentucky) on this list. But in the end I’m glad he was my selection. Here are two choices - neither which will be very popular: 1. Eddie Oliver - he is a physical freak, no doubt but I’m not so sure if he’s the 3 technique DT that we need. Does not have the technique nor the size to get a pass rush from the middle. He could transition to DE and have the flexibility that McDermott covets. But I am most concerned about his smaller size and wonder if there are better players for the Bills specific need at DT. 2. DK Metcalf - another physical freak. What concerns me about DK is there were several games where he was quiet and then he’d make a huge catch. The lack of consistency is concerning as is his ability to run routes. He is not running a full route tree and instead just runs fly routes. That’s what he does best. The Bills already have 2 WR’s who could do this in Foster and Brown. Also there have been bigger WR’s like DK who have not translate too well. Like I said I could be wrong but that’s my impression. How about you? Like Aaron Donald doesnt have the size?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted March 31, 2019 Author Share Posted March 31, 2019 Just now, formerlyofCtown said: Like Aaron Donald doesnt have the size?? Donald has much better technique 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 minute ago, BillyWhiteShows said: Donald has much better technique Technique can be taught. Athleticism can not. 2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I'm all in on this. With respect to DK, I am leery of guys whose biggest claim to fame is great measurable and a stellar combine performance. It is mind boggling to me that people would ignore on field performance and favor a combine performance. Oliver reminds me of Dion Jordan. I remember watching his tape and thinking that Jordan either made an amazing play or was completely blown up. There was no in between. He would make these stellar plays, then be an absolute liability the rest of the time. That is pretty much Oliver. He is either making a tackle for a loss, or getting completely removed from the play. Oliver is rated high off his on field performance, DK its all about the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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