Chuck Wagon Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 IMO Beane thought he could put a better offer up than the Jets and thought the Colts would play it out a bit longer. They took the Jets offer 5 weeks before the draft. It locked the potential moves up to 1 spot (#2) and put the Giants into a commanding position on the price. There wasn't much point in trading to 4, the Browns weren't taking QB there and it was after the Jets pick anyway. We had a deal in place with Denver at 5 but it was canceled when Chubb fell there. I think the Colts targeted Nelson from the beginning. Then we went to 7. I still believe Darnold was our #1 guy, but I think it was a 1A vs 1B situation on Darnold / Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Worked out for us 3 minutes ago, eball said: Weird article. Bottom line -- we'll never really know (until perhaps many years from now) if the Bills really wanted Darnold over Allen. I think they're pretty happy with where things are now, however. damn straight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: I would hope most of any OBD being furious was because they never had a shot at Mayfield. The gap between him is much larger than that between Darnold and Allen (and that’s not saying either is clearly ahead of the other). I agree, I wanted Mayfield from that draft even if we needed to make a RG3 type of trade to get the number 1 pick. Allen was my second choice because he has all the tools but just needed some coaching to fix some things. Darnold was 3rd to me but it was very close between Darnold and Allen. Those three guys were the only QB's that I thought should get picked in the 1st rd of the draft. At present I still have them rated 1. Mayfield 2. Allen 3. Darnold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, Papa g said: Who cares we got the better.QB. great first post! welcome to the board papa. new to tbd. looking forward to your future insight here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 It's funny how something that looks terrible for a team at the time (the Jets trade) works out well for the Bills. We paid less to get Allen, who has a much higher ceiling, we also got a top MLB in the draft, and have 10 picks this year. I wonder if the NJ Jets are furious now!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 3 hours ago, JaCrispy said: I think most fans were pretty upset that day...the Jets pulled off the trade the Bills were supposed to make....hopefully Allen will be just as good- if not better. Lol Allen was number one on their board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 If the Bills were mad at the trade, it doesn't necessarily follow they were mad that the Jets drafted Darnold. Maybe the feared the Jets would ***** Allen! I think Beane had indicated they thought they might have to trade higher than they did to get Allen. In the end, I think they were pretty pleased with the way the first round fell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: great first post! welcome to the board papa. new to tbd. looking forward to your future insight here. Yes, but we’ll have ‘Papa g’ weeping, wailing, and gnashing his teeth in no time...just like the rest of us. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 If the Giants took a QB in that draft. But didn't. They changed the whole draft outlook when took a RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It was reported that they tried repeatedly to get to 2 and NYG would not deal the pick. It was a stalemate. Giants wanted Barkley and weren't moving out of 2 because the Browns would take him at 4. Wasn't much point in paying the Browns price to move to 4 to get the 3rd QB off the board and the Browns were flush with picks anyway, that would have to be a quality over quantity move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Quote The Buffalo Bills, picking 12th, were said to be furious upon learning of the trade. "Said by whom?" "Many people. Many people have said that." Yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Lol Allen was number one on their board. I never said he wasn’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Glad the Jest took Darnold, not a fan of USC QBs...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: Glad the Jest took Darnold, not a fan of USC QBs...... Oddly enough I like him better so far in the nfl than I did in college Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 51 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It was reported that they tried repeatedly to get to 2 and NYG would not deal the pick. So glad because we may still have taken Allen but we would not have Edmunds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Oddly enough I like him better so far in the nfl than I did in college the Blockhead? I loved his first NFL pass being a Pick 6. NFL History !!!! Quote Remember the knock on Sam Darnold coming out of USC? Turnovers. Too many of them. Darnold became the youngest opening day quarterback in NFL history, and his introduction to the NFL was rough. https://sports.yahoo.com/wyd-sam-darnolds-first-career-pass-pick-six-lions-232905145.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: the Blockhead? I loved his first NFL pass being a Pick 6. NFL History !!!! https://sports.yahoo.com/wyd-sam-darnolds-first-career-pass-pick-six-lions-232905145.html The games i watched him play his last year at usc made me cringe. Just thought he was super raw. I never saw much of Allen in college so can’t compare., 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 The Buffalo Bills were said to be furious. Hahahahahaha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Oddly enough I like him better so far in the nfl than I did in college He played a couple of outstanding games down the stretch. I think there were signs if things slowing down for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: He played a couple of outstanding games down the stretch. I think there were signs if things slowing down for him. I really liked his game vs the Bills. Arrow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 I respect everyone for fully being on board with Allen. But it’s funny how we would be doing the same thing if we picked Darnold and laugh at the Jets for picking a guy who completed 52% of his passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I really liked his game vs the Bills. Arrow up. The QB class for the most part was as good as advertised and then some IMO. A good shot in the arm for the NFL... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I respect everyone for fully being on board with Allen. But it’s funny how we would be doing the same thing if we picked Darnold and laugh at the Jets for picking a guy who completed 52% of his passes. If that's all you focused on, then I'd be laughing at you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Just now, Doc said: If that's all you focused on, then I'd be laughing at you. Dude, you’re such a homer you know you’d be doing it too. ? the far majority of the posters didn’t want Allen. 2 minutes ago, Figster said: The QB class for the most part was as good as advertised and then some IMO. A good shot in the arm for the NFL... Really? Baker was really good and the rest had their moments but they were some of the worst qbs in the league. Obviously, it’s year one but it’s goign to be tough for the match the 2017 class, which was considered a bad one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 4 hours ago, Jeetz1231 said: I don't trust Pac10 QBs Rodgers is the only one I can think of recently who has had long success, Carson Palmer worked out too but not as well as Aaron. The rest have been Matt Barkley, Sanchize, Leinart, Rosen (jury is out) Mariota (looks like he is going to fizzle out) I'm sure I am missing a few but the Pac10 has been abysmal at sending pro ready qbs in the recent past. I am good with Josh Allen. As I'm writing this I forgot about Luck he is obviously a franchise guy, and I also forgot about Goff who also seems legit. The Pac 12 hasn't produced much but Nick Foles has done well and Jake Plummer was serviceable, but that list isn't very impressive. I personally think the QBs from USC and UCLA fail with cold weather teams. Nothing against Darnold, he looks like he's going to be a fine QB for the Jets but I honestly think the Bills had their mind set on Allen. He's got a stronger arm and he is more athletic and I believe the Bills were locked in on Allen as their top guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Dude, you’re such a homer you know you’d be doing it too. ? the far majority of the posters didn’t want Allen. I've admitted I didn't want Allen prior to the draft and was pissed when they traded-up and passed-over Rosen over to take him. Then I saw him play. Like I said, if after his rookie season you're focusing on his 52.8% completion rate (versus Darnold's 57.7%)... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 3 hours ago, HOUSE said: If I remember correctly , the hottest rumor on ESPN was Mayfield slipping beyond #10 Allen - Darnold #1- #5 That would have been amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: I've admitted I didn't want Allen prior to the draft and was pissed when they traded-up and passed-over Rosen over to take him. Then I saw him play. Like I said, if after his rookie season you're focusing on his 52.8% completion rate (versus Darnold's 57.7%)... How can anyone compare the two based off completion percentage? Allen had one of the worst WR groups in football for most of the year. If KB was on the Jets dropping balls left and right would Darnold still be at 57.7%? I'm betting not. The dropped pass by Clay for a TD vs Miami that would have won the game sums up what Allen had to deal with all season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: That would have been amazing. for who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, Figster said: The Buffalo Bills were said to be furious. Hahahahahaha Beane got his revenge by telling Gettleman he should trade OBJ to the Browns. “Oh thanks. We’re not interested but that sounds like a good deal, you should take it”. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: I’m sure the Bills were very upset -if that’s different from furious. I think they hoped or expected that everyone would keep their spots and we’d have a bevy of Draft picks while landing a can’t miss QB. When the Jets ‘Jets’d’, everyone else in the QB frenzy had to surrender hard earned choices (multiple 2nds, multiple 3rds) just to assure no team would sneak up and ruin it. We’ll likely never know if Darnold was #1 on our Board, but if it was Allen and Darnold was the Jets #1, then those idiots from jersey screwed up everybody’s hard earned capital -including their own, when they didn’t even have to. I hate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 4 hours ago, JaCrispy said: I think most fans were pretty upset that day...the Jets pulled off the trade the Bills were supposed to make....hopefully Allen will be just as good- if not better. I think Allen will turn out to be much better than Darnold. Just a hunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 The biggest loser? In my book it’s the New Jersey Football Giants, who still need a QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I agree, I wanted Mayfield from that draft even if we needed to make a RG3 type of trade to get the number 1 pick. Allen was my second choice because he has all the tools but just needed some coaching to fix some things. Darnold was 3rd to me but it was very close between Darnold and Allen. Those three guys were the only QB's that I thought should get picked in the 1st rd of the draft. At present I still have them rated 1. Mayfield 2. Allen 3. Darnold. Agreed. Actually I was not that high on Allen and was scared of him just being a measurables guy. Much more optimistic after seeing him during his rookie year. Draft day though I had Darnold rated higher based on level of competition and football IQ. Regardless, Mayfield was far and away my QB1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: I never said he wasn’t Your post kinda makes it sound that way. Sorry if I misunderstood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 hours ago, HOUSE said: I am not impressed with the Jets coaching staff.. Neither will their new GM who will be hired in the next year or 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Dude, you’re such a homer you know you’d be doing it too. ? the far majority of the posters didn’t want Allen. Really? Baker was really good and the rest had their moments but they were some of the worst qbs in the league. Obviously, it’s year one but it’s goign to be tough for the match the 2017 class, which was considered a bad one. If you consider the circumstances the QB class had going into the NFL. HC and regime changes current or about to happen. The rookie class of QB's faced an uphill battle in terms of carrying their perspective franchises. Including Josh Allen who did one hell of a job trying in my humble opinion. Edited March 19, 2019 by Figster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said: It really makes you wonder whether Allen truly was their #1 target from the start...or whether he was their #1 target when it appeared that Mayfield it Darnold would be off the board. I remember watching ESPN and there were few who were suggesting that Allen could go first overall to Cleveland , even some of the mock drafts as well I still believe we got the BEST QB in that draft , and by week 6 you will ALL believe as well !!! Goooo Bills!!! Edited March 19, 2019 by Putin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 44 minutes ago, Yav said: How can anyone compare the two based off completion percentage? Allen had one of the worst WR groups in football for most of the year. If KB was on the Jets dropping balls left and right would Darnold still be at 57.7%? I'm betting not. The dropped pass by Clay for a TD vs Miami that would have won the game sums up what Allen had to deal with all season. People still blame Allen for that clay drop too. Like the guy wasnt just running around for his life because his offensive line is pure trash. He got it in the vicinity to make it a very catchable ball. Clay should have caught it. It honestly reminded me of Wyoming at many times last year, where Allen would take the snap and be under immediate pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 hours ago, LeviF91 said: I'm also curious as to why you don't think Andrew Luck factors in that equation. I said in the last sentence Andrew luck is a franchise quarterback. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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