Antonio Brown trade may be happening today, announcing team soon: UPDATE: TRADED to Raiders

[Happy]

8 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

It sounds like you would be happier to be a P*ts fan.

 

yeah, ok.

[Logic]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

You guys are having an interesting discussion, but I don't buy it.  

 

It's coach and QB.  That doesn't mean that's all you need, but those are the only two things you MUST have.  The rest is coaching and creativity.  Look at Belichick and Gronk.  Belichick figured out he could attack with a tight end if he had the right one. But you don't need a great tight end to win.  If you have a good one he dictates some of your [offense, but you don't need one. 

 

Yes, there are trends, but all the good coaches, pretty much all the coaches, follow the trends.  That doesn't make them winners.  

 

I agree you need some basic level of talent, but beyond LT the talent can be spread around the lineup in any number of ways.  McBeane obviously wanted talent at MLB, and that isn't a position you guys named. A good center helps.  Shutdown corner, sure, but not essential.  Get a Palomalu, you can do some special things.  

 

Again, look at Belichick.  Shutdown corner is about the only position he seems to covet; everything else he just wants good ordinary football players who do their jobs.  

 

Give me a coach and a QB.  So long as the coach has decent talent spread around the roster, he should be able to figure out how to win.  If he cant, he isnt the right coach. 

I agree with the bolded. If you don't have a QB and coach, nothing else matters. The following sentence you wrote: "that doesn't mean that's all you need", that's where this discussion comes in. What ELSE do you need to give the coach and QB a better chance at sustained success? 

I'm not convinced that once you get the coach and QB, you're ready to roll. If you want a shot at multiple titles with your coach/QB combo, you'd better have some more around them.

Dan Fouts and Don Coryell = 0 championships

Dan Marino and Don Shula = 0 championships

Philip Rivers and multiple coaches, including Marty Schottenheimer = 0 championships

Peyton Manning and Tony Dungy = 1 championship

In three out of the four instances mentioned above, defense was usually lacking. So we know that that's a need as well.

Simplified, I would say that a coach, QB, and at least reasonably good defense gives you a shot every year. We also know, as discussed, that you've got to protect the QB. I don't think his weaponry is as important. If you have a truly excellent QB, he'll make do with average to slightly above average receivers. You probably can't consistently roll out a WR/TE depth chart as bad as what the Bills had last year. But even that, with better protection, might have been sufficient. As it was, we saw the Bills averaging nearly 24 points per game by the end of the season.

This is what's so interesting about football: There isn't just one right answer. I mean, yes, "coach and QB". But after that? Teams have done it lots of different ways, and the ongoing strategic evolution discussed in earlier posts means the roster building strategy is always changing.

Doug Whaley once made a quote that I wish I could remember in its entirety, because I liked it. It was something along the lines of: Beyond QB, you need and can afford to pay about 6-8 high quality, important players. Where you spend those dollars and on what positions is up to you. I'd say the Bills have some of their 6-8 already. Tre'Davious White, Matt Milano, Tremaine Edmunds, Dion Dawkins. More are needed, obviously, so it's a critical offseason, as everybody already knows.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

He was good enough for Bills to trade often injured Glenn who was very good to healthy.  

It is real interesting if he ends up cut.

Yes, he WAS. Then he sucked last season.  Not all his fault, but you can’t say he looked like a cornerstone LT last season.  You just can’t.  

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yes, he WAS. Then he sucked last season.  Not all his fault, but you can’t say he looked like a cornerstone LT last season.  You just can’t.  

He looked like a cornerstone LT last season.

 

see how easy that was?

[NewEra]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

He looked like a cornerstone LT last season.

 

see how easy that was?

Yeah

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah

He did not suck last season.  He was average.  Losing Richie next to him hurt.

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

He did not suck last season.  He was average.  Losing Richie next to him hurt.

I thought he was bad.  I'm not sure he's our LT going forward, unfortunately.  Hope he turns it around.

[BillsfanAZ]

2 hours ago, nucci said:

Why,  these comments about wanting players hurt because they don't love Buffalo the way you do are ridiculous.

It wasnt about Buffalo. I was talking about he is doing to Pitt. He agreed to a contract and it still has 3 yrs left on it. Forcing a situation in which he gets traded puts Pitt in a bad spot. It is about one player impacting a whole team because he is selfish. Going on Instagram saying he is going to announce his new team is making it seem like this is the AB show. You can flame me if you want but him being out of the game for a while not by his choosing may humble him a bit. 

[Augie]

I heard someone on the radio yesterday saying he was where AB was supposed to be filming something. AB announced he had to go to the bathroom, so they said they would show him to the private restroom. He said “no, I have to go home.” Apparently;y, the private restroom wasn’t acceptable and everyone had to wait for him to go home and come back. Odd dude and all about AB. 

[wppete]

F AB! 

My guess he ends up in a phyc ward sometime soon. 

[LikeIGiveADarn]

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

I heard someone on the radio yesterday saying he was where AB was supposed to be filming something. AB announced he had to go to the bathroom, so they said they would show him to the private restroom. He said “no, I have to go home.” Apparently;y, the private restroom wasn’t acceptable and everyone had to wait for him to go home and come back. Odd dude and all about AB. 

 

Hey, don't mock a dude for having a shy pisser.

[Orlando Tim]

12 minutes ago, Augie said:

I heard someone on the radio yesterday saying he was where AB was supposed to be filming something. AB announced he had to go to the bathroom, so they said they would show him to the private restroom. He said “no, I have to go home.” Apparently;y, the private restroom wasn’t acceptable and everyone had to wait for him to go home and come back. Odd dude and all about AB. 

Story is believable to me based on what i have heard about him being a diva- not a process guy at all.

[NewEra]

24 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

He did not suck last season.  He was average.  Losing Richie next to him hurt.

Ok

[Kmart128]

So no new team yet? Did AB lie? Situation keeps getting weirder and weirder. Seems like an attention ploy

[BuffAlone]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Ok

Well, it did hurt. His penalties doubled without Ritchie next to him last year.

Not condoning his play, he needs to improve. But it did hurt him

Edited March 9, 2019 by BuffAlone

[CaptnCoke11]

39 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

He did not suck last season.  He was average.  Losing Richie next to him hurt.

Oh he sucked.  That’s being kind too 

[Alphadawg7]

So much for AB announcing it shortly yesterday lol

[CaptnCoke11]

7 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

Well, it did hurt. His penalties doubled without Ritchie next to him last year.

Not condoning his play, he needs to improve. But it did hurt him

The good LTs don’t need “help” beside them to function.  That’s a cop out for his poor play.  

[HuSeYiN_NYC]

37 minutes ago, Augie said:

I heard someone on the radio yesterday saying he was where AB was supposed to be filming something. AB announced he had to go to the bathroom, so they said they would show him to the private restroom. He said “no, I have to go home.” Apparently;y, the private restroom wasn’t acceptable and everyone had to wait for him to go home and come back. Odd dude and all about AB. 

 

I only drop deuces at home also... nothing odd about it...

[BuffAlone]

15 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

The good LTs don’t need “help” beside them to function.  That’s a cop out for his poor play.  

Lol...ok. It's not a copout. I said his play needs to improve. And if you think for one second that a pro bowl G compared to a rookie 5th round draft pick didn't make his play drop off, you are fooling yourself. Again, I said he needs to improve. I'm not defending him, merely pointing out a fact.

FWIW pff has a grade of 69.5 on Dawkins, making him the 38th best OT in the league. Not LT....OT in general. Which is an above average grade

Edited March 9, 2019 by BuffAlone

[jletha]

8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

So much for AB announcing it shortly yesterday lol

My guess is the market for him is essentially zero. The Steelers don't want to take the trades being offered and Brown won't go to Buffalo. So theyre stuck. If Im pittsburgh Id really consider just keeping him and benching him if the trade market is really bad. 

 

But we will see what happens when the deal is eventually done. Id bet that AB is a little surprised right now at how few teams (and how little those teams) are willing to trade for him. I think he thought the top teams were going to falling over themselves to make a deal.

[The Senator]

9 minutes ago, jletha said:

My guess is the market for him is essentially zero. The Steelers don't want to take the trades being offered and Brown won't go to Buffalo. So theyre stuck. If Im pittsburgh Id really consider just keeping him and benching him if the trade market is really bad. 

 

But we will see what happens when the deal is eventually done. Id bet that AB is a little surprised right now at how few teams (and how little those teams) are willing to trade for him. I think he thought the top teams were going to falling over themselves to make a deal.

 

My guess is he lands with the Raiders, wherever they’re playing this season.  But no one knows what’s being discussed.  If the Raiders are only offering pick #27 (they may not even be offering that - they may be offering pick #35) and not willing to meet Brown’s demand for a new contract, he may well remain with the Steelers...

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/how-antonio-brown-killed-bills-trade-and-the-steelers-options-with-diva-wr-moving-forward/

 

Supposedly, the trade was to be finalized and announced by this afternoon.  Well, it’s almost 2 o’clock on the East Coast and nothing’s happened.

.

[PetermansRedemption]

21 minutes ago, jletha said:

My guess is the market for him is essentially zero. The Steelers don't want to take the trades being offered and Brown won't go to Buffalo. So theyre stuck. If Im pittsburgh Id really consider just keeping him and benching him if the trade market is really bad. 

 

But we will see what happens when the deal is eventually done. Id bet that AB is a little surprised right now at how few teams (and how little those teams) are willing to trade for him. I think he thought the top teams were going to falling over themselves to make a deal.

The thing is, they would have, if he hadn’t gone completely insane. Before all this crap, 31 teams in the league would have wanted him. The asking price would have easily been 2 1sts. So if his end game was to really be traded I think he would have just shut up. At least his agent would have told him that, maybe he didn’t listen. It really makes me think his end game was outright release. If that is the case, he’s played the situation perfectly so far. 

[jletha]

9 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

The thing is, they would have, if he hadn’t gone completely insane. Before all this crap, 31 teams in the league would have wanted him. The asking price would have easily been 2 1sts. So if his end game was to really be traded I think he would have just shut up. At least his agent would have told him that, maybe he didn’t listen. It really makes me think his end game was outright release. If that is the case, he’s played the situation perfectly so far. 

Agreed they would have prior to the end of the season. But nobody wants an old, annoying player that ruins locker rooms and wants a new deal that they have to give up assets for ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

 

I don’t think the steelers really benefit at all from an outright release. The money is almost the same. They’re better off holding on and hoping someone trades for him mid season after an injury or something. 

Edited March 9, 2019 by jletha

[Magnum Force]

Other than Oakland....does anyone know who the other 2 teams are?   This is turning into a circus.....sort of reminiscent of  Lebron James' "The Decision" 

[jletha]

1 minute ago, Magnum Force said:

Other than Oakland....does anyone know who the other 2 teams are?   This is turning into a circus.....sort of reminiscent of  Lebron James' "The Decision" 

I heard Titans and Washington. Neither are very inspiring from a football perspective. Certainly not much better off than we are. 

[JimmyNoodles]

Is the price dropping by the minute?

[PIZ]

I would much rather have RT Williams and C Paradis than diva AB.

 

 

Edited March 9, 2019 by PIZ

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Story is believable to me based on what i have heard about him being a diva- not a process guy at all.

 

As this guy said, there are countless stories like this about him, and everyone around the league knows it. Another interesting point that Cowherd made.....he didn’t come into the league like this as a 6th round pick. The money and the Steelers culture allows them to morph into this. L. Bell sat a whole year for what? He’ll never get that $14mil back. 

[Magnum Force]

I definitely would like to land 2 of Williams, Paradis or Saffold.  

[BillsSB2020]

So if the asking price is dropping, why aren't the Bills back in the game? This is a question for the "AB didn't want to be here" deniers.

 

Let's get back in the game.

[DBilz2500]

He’s def a dousche bag kinda guy-I went to college out near Pittsburgh and literally bumped into him at the airport once. He dropped something and I picked it up for him. He didn’t say thank you and even commented that I needed to “watch yo self.” He saw my Bills shirt on and then said, “y’all still got a team up there?” Not a pleasant experience in any way. 

[Augie]

54 minutes ago, HuSeYiN_NYC said:

 

I only drop deuces at home also... nothing odd about it...

 

I wish I was so lucky. I live by the “any port in a storm” theory. What happens when you go out of town? Was AB only going to play home games? Think that might hav been the contract holdup? We could be on to something.....BREAKING NEWS! 

[jletha]

4 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said:

So if the asking price is dropping, why aren't the Bills back in the game? This is a question for the "AB didn't want to be here" deniers.

 

Let's get back in the game.

I actually don’t think it’s impossible (and posted as much elsewhere). Assuming he has a relationship with McCoy (they share an agent) I think it’s possible Shady, and others, got on the phone and told him that The team isn’t that bad. McCoy loves Allen too, so he’d talk him up. It’s possible they other options aren’t any better and the steelers call us back up asking if the deal is still on the table. Problem is that it likely isn’t at the same value. 

Edited March 9, 2019 by jletha

[Not at the table Karlos]

5 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said:

So if the asking price is dropping, why aren't the Bills back in the game? This is a question for the "AB didn't want to be here" deniers.

 

Let's get back in the game.

Ab wants to be highest paid wr. 

[Clyde Smith]

4 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said:

So if the asking price is dropping, why aren't the Bills back in the game? This is a question for the "AB didn't want to be here" deniers.

 

Let's get back in the game.

Maybe they are. 

[Figster]

4 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

Other than Oakland....does anyone know who the other 2 teams are?   This is turning into a circus.....sort of reminiscent of  Lebron James' "The Decision" 

Buffalo still has an interest IMO. 

 

I love Buffalo , but generally speaking its not going to be a favorable landing spot for most players.  I get that,

 

On the other hand Buffalo's top 3 D, Allen, and Bills HC McD are changing the playing field IMO.

 

Its possible AB could have a change of heart in my humble opinion.

 

[BillsSB2020]

Just now, jletha said:

I actually don’t think it’s impossible. Assuming he has a relationship with McCoy (they share an agent) I think it’s possible Shady, and others, got on the phone and told him that The team isn’t that bad. McCoy loves Allen too, so he’d talk him up. It’s possible they other options aren’t any better and the steelers call us back up asking if the deal is still on the table. Problem is that it likely isn’t at the same value. 

Thanks for the well thought out response. I was being somewhat glib because there's a great deal of spin that it was Beane who pulled out because the asking price was too high. I believe it's apparent that AB stated he didn't want to be here. Point being, if it wasn't that AB didn't want to be here, we should definitely be back in the hunt.

[Solomon Grundy]

Just now, Figster said:

Buffalo still has an interest IMO. 

 

I love Buffalo , but generally speaking its not going to be a favorable landing spot for most players.  I get that,

 

On the other hand Buffalo's top 3 D, Allen, and Bills HC McD are changing the playing field IMO.

 

Its possible AB could have a change of heart in my humble opinion.

 

I already feel jilted

[JimmyNoodles]

1 minute ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Ab wants to be highest paid wr. 

This is the issue.  I'm going to be shocked if anybody does that.