If Jonah Williams and Jawaan Tayor are available when we pick, who do you take?

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

 

There was one play where he and Ferrell slipped and it looked like he got destroyed. He was great in that game v another Top 15 guy. Watch again.

I watched the entire game.  I wasn't impressed.  But then again the entire Bama line got beat.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

I watched the entire game.  I wasn't impressed.  But then again the entire Bama line got beat.

 

Re-watch the Jonah Williams tape. He did pretty well. 1 game doesn't equate to three full years of starting. 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, FeelingOnYouboty said:

 

Re-watch the Jonah Williams tape. He did pretty well. 1 game doesn't equate to three full years of starting. 

I think he'll probably be a good player.  But I think Taylor has more upside. 

[dpberr]

Williams looks like Travis Kelce to me - a C that'll anchor a line for a decade plus.  

 

Taylor to me looks like a good, possibly great tackle but an elite guard.    

[MAJBobby]

11 hours ago, Dopey said:

Jonah can play guard or tackle where Jawaan is seen as strictly a tackle. We already have our left tackle in Dion. So do you take the more versatile player? Jonah could play RT, LT or move to the guard position. We could have the left side of our line fixed with Jonah at LG with Dion at LT, with a FA Center. Jawaan is the higher rated tackle, we could take him and move Dion to LG. Personally, I would take Jonah and have a lot more versatility in case of injury. Thoughts please?

Taylor

 

Better Player

[DCOrange]

11 hours ago, Dopey said:

Jonah can play guard or tackle where Jawaan is seen as strictly a tackle. We already have our left tackle in Dion. So do you take the more versatile player? Jonah could play RT, LT or move to the guard position. We could have the left side of our line fixed with Jonah at LG with Dion at LT, with a FA Center. Jawaan is the higher rated tackle, we could take him and move Dion to LG. Personally, I would take Jonah and have a lot more versatility in case of injury. Thoughts please?

It's not just tackle and guard for Jonah; some scouts believe he's best suited to play Center and I read somewhere that Alabama viewed him as a Center when they got him, but felt that putting him in as a tackle was the best way to utilize all of the talent that they had.

 

Neither of these guys are my preferred options at #9, but if forced to choose, I think I'd lean towards Williams due to the versatility.

Edited March 8, 2019 by DCOrange

[947]

It boggles my mind that people are picking Jonah Williams. Short-armed unathletic college LTs become average OGs in the NFL. Even Robert Gallery, who was a better college LT than Williams had to move to Guard.

 

Taylor & Dillard will be very good OTs. Taylor is better as of now, but I actually think Dillard has the best chance to be a really good LT.

 

I'd actually rather have Risner than Williams, he's RT only but will be a stud there.

[T master]

12 hours ago, Dopey said:

Jonah can play guard or tackle where Jawaan is seen as strictly a tackle. We already have our left tackle in Dion. So do you take the more versatile player? Jonah could play RT, LT or move to the guard position. We could have the left side of our line fixed with Jonah at LG with Dion at LT, with a FA Center. Jawaan is the higher rated tackle, we could take him and move Dion to LG. Personally, I would take Jonah and have a lot more versatility in case of injury. Thoughts please?

 

WOW that is a tough one ! Either way you go can be a win though because Dion has always been talked as a versatile player who can play most any where on the line & he even started out at RT, so if you pick Taylor move Dion to RT & your T situation is solved .

 

But because McD likes versatility in his players & they have Williams higher on their board & choose him they could do the same with Dion or leave Dion where he is & use Williams at RT & keep Teller in the mix then you only need one guard .

 

Or if they do bring in the guy from Carolina Daryl Williams at LT move Dion to RT draft J. Williams & put him at LG & Teller at RG O line solved .

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, DCOrange said:

It's not just tackle and guard for Jonah; some scouts believe he's best suited to play Center and I read somewhere that Alabama viewed him as a Center when they got him, but felt that putting him in as a tackle was the best way to utilize all of the talent that they had.

 

Neither of these guys are my preferred options at #9, but if forced to choose, I think I'd lean towards Williams due to the versatility.

Didn't even consider center. Adds to my intrigue.

[34-78-83]

At pick #9 I'd rather not draft a potential Right Tackle OR a potential Guard. It seems like the 15-20 range might be a better spot for guys like this to go.

[The Senator]

12 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

Give me Jonah Williams and sign Daryl Williams

 

Agree.  Sign WR Tyrell Williams as well.  You can’t have enough Williams!

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[billspro]

13 hours ago, 947 said:

Taylor & it's not close.

 

Taylor is a very good RT from Day 1, with the feet & ability to eventually play LT.

 

Jonah Williams is a Guard at the NFL level, I don't think there's any way he could play LT in the NFL.

 

That is how I see it. We would be lucky to have Taylor fall to 9.

[Jay_Fixit]

14 hours ago, Bill Murray said:

DK Metcalf

The good news is that DK and both Williams and Taylor are equally as good at changing direction.

[Aussie Joe]

Anyone still got any wood for Jonah?

 

Starting to feel he might have jumped the shark for the Bills as a prospect at 9

 

I know he has that prior  connection with Daboll but  Im thinking they go in another direction... 

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

53 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Anyone still got any wood for Jonah?

 

Starting to feel he might have jumped the shark for the Bills as a prospect at 9

 

I know he has that prior  connection with Daboll but  Im thinking they go in another direction... 

 

 

 

I never loved Jonah at 9. In theory though, you could take the Zach Martin approach and plug Williams into the RG spot. You likely have a really good player for a long time there. I still think they go best defensively player available, with an outside shot at Hock or Metcalf. Money's on defensive line though...Gary, Oliver, Sweat, Burns, Wilkins...or one of the guys like Williams or Allen who possibly drop a bit. 

Edited April 8, 2019 by MrEpsYtown

[Aussie Joe]

12 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I never loved Jonah at 9. In theory though, you could take the Zach Martin approach and plug Williams into the RG spot. You likely have a really good player for a long time there. I still think they go best defensively player available, with an outside shot at Hock or Metcalf. Money's on defensive line though...Gary, Oliver, Sweat, Burns, Wilkins...or one of the guys like Williams or Allen who possibly drop a bit. 

 

 

Interested in your thought on Cody Ford.. maybe moving  up to the bottom of the first for him?

[CSBill]

This is a great question.

 

Until Free Agency, I was adamant that we had to take a top o-lineman, but I'm not there now.

 

With all the additions, I'm good. None of these guys are sure things, and there is depth in this draft. I think they go in other directions now, and if one of the better guys (guard or tackle) is still there in the 2nd, then go for it.

[GunnerBill]

On ‎3‎/‎8‎/‎2019 at 4:50 PM, billspro said:

 

That is how I see it. We would be lucky to have Taylor fall to 9.

 

I don't think Taylor gets to #9 either. Think the Jags are zeroing in on him and surprised if he lasts past #7. That said I am not sure I'd pick him at #9 anyway.... because to me he is RT only and I don't see the LT upside. That makes me nervous about spending a top 10 pick. He is certainly someone who can come in and contribute early though.

[billsredneck1]

On 3/7/2019 at 10:13 PM, Doc said:

Andre Dillard. 

i think this is who they might prefer. as far as the other two, the most common talking points i hear mainly on one bills live with guests such as greg cosell are that

jonah williams is primarily a left tackle ( didn't he spend 3 yrs. there?). he could be projected at guard and apparently got eaten alive by clelin ferrell in the championship game. i also hear that while he's technically sound and a good athlete, he has short arms and not really a mauler.

 

what i hear on j. taylor is that he's huge and powerful plus has a nasty streak.  didn't he also spend his college career at rt? i don't think these guys are as versatile as a lot of people make them out to be.

 

dillard gets nothing but high praise as a lt with the only knock being that he was in a primarily passing offense so there's not a lot to go on in the run game.

 

as for me if i had to pick between williams and taylor, i'd pick taylor and plan on him being the rt of the future.....but i don't really want to have to take one at 9. we may be able to get dillard in the 15 range. i have no clue what they will do.

 

i just hope they come away with a big nasty dt and at least one promising edge.

Edited April 8, 2019 by billsredneck1

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

i think this is who they might prefer. as far as the other two, the most common talking points i hear mainly on one bills live with guests such as greg cosell are that

jonah williams is primarily a left tackle ( didn't he spend 3 yrs. there?). he could be projected at guard and apparently got eaten alive by clelin ferrell in the championship game. i also hear that while he's technically sound and a good athlete, he has short arms and not really a mauler.

 

what i hear on j. taylor is that he's huge and powerful plus has a nasty streak.  didn't he also spend his college career at rt? i don't think these guys are as versatile as a lot of people make them out to be.

 

dillard gets nothing but high praise as a lt with the only knock being that he was in a primarily passing offense so there's not a lot to go on in the run game.

 

as for me if i had to pick between williams and taylor, i'd pick taylor and plan on him being the rt of the future.....but i don't really want to have to take one at 9. we may be able to get dillard in the 15 range. i have no clue what they will do.

 

i just hope they come away with a big nasty dt and at least one promising edge.

 

I have not heard of the Bills having Dillard in..... has anyone else?

[SouthNYfan]

It's a common misconception that you can draft any guy and just move him to another position on the line.

Some guys can do it no problem, but I don't think they are the norm.

The concept that you just draft Williams and move him to the other side of the line has issues because :

#1 he most likely will not play as well, so taking him at #9 means he's a top LT, but he might only be an above average RT, equal to a later round natural RT

Or

Even worse case

#2 he can't play RT at all at the NFL level and actually sucks

 

I'm not saying these guys can't, because I don't know much about either... I honestly slacked on my oline prospect watching this year.

 

I just hate the narrative I see every year leading up to the draft, this applies to many positions, but I think I see it most with oline, to just "draft him and play him elsewhere"

 

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think Taylor gets to #9 either. Think the Jags are zeroing in on him and surprised if he lasts past #7. That said I am not sure I'd pick him at #9 anyway.... because to me he is RT only and I don't see the LT upside. That makes me nervous about spending a top 10 pick. He is certainly someone who can come in and contribute early though.

 

That's kind of what I'm saying

People just assume you can move a guy around the line with no dropoff in play

Some guys can't play other line positions, some can

Edited April 8, 2019 by SouthNYfan

[SouthNYfan]

On 3/8/2019 at 12:22 PM, Jay_Fixit said:

The good news is that DK and both Williams and Taylor are equally as good at changing direction.

 

He ran the same 20 yard shuttle time as DeAndre Hopkins

Granted his 3 cone was a disaster ?

[MrEpsYtown]

3 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

 

Interested in your thought on Cody Ford.. maybe moving  up to the bottom of the first for him?

 

I like Ford. I think he has a lot of upside and is not that far off from Taylor as a RT prospect. He needs some work.  I strongly prefer Dalton Risner. Risner is plug and play at pretty much any position. If I trade back up into the late first, early second I want Risner. 

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, billsredneck1 said:

i think this is who they might prefer. as far as the other two, the most common talking points i hear mainly on one bills live with guests such as greg cosell are that

jonah williams is primarily a left tackle ( didn't he spend 3 yrs. there?). he could be projected at guard and apparently got eaten alive by clelin ferrell in the championship game. i also hear that while he's technically sound and a good athlete, he has short arms and not really a mauler.

 

what i hear on j. taylor is that he's huge and powerful plus has a nasty streak.  didn't he also spend his college career at rt? i don't think these guys are as versatile as a lot of people make them out to be.

 

dillard gets nothing but high praise as a lt with the only knock being that he was in a primarily passing offense so there's not a lot to go on in the run game.

 

as for me if i had to pick between williams and taylor, i'd pick taylor and plan on him being the rt of the future.....but i don't really want to have to take one at 9. we may be able to get dillard in the 15 range. i have no clue what they will do.

 

i just hope they come away with a big nasty dt and at least one promising edge.

 

Dillard's arms are shorter than Williams'. And if Williams doesn't have a mean streak, Dillard is pillow fighting. There is no mean streak there whatsoever. He's athletic, tall and lean with very little run game ability. He's the exact opposite of a mauler and teh exact opposite of any of the linemen this regime has been bringing in. Probably a fit for a team like the Rams or maybe the Browns. And as athletic as Dillard is, Dion Dawkins actually has a better three cone and significantly longer arms. I just don't see a fit there at all, and though I don't love Jonah Williams, I think it's crazy that the stigma is that his arms are short, while Dillards are slightly shorter and no one cares.To me,  Dillard seems like a terrible fit here. 

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Dillard's arms are shorter than Williams'. And if Williams doesn't have a mean streak, Dillard is pillow fighting. There is no mean streak there whatsoever. He's athletic, tall and lean with very little run game ability. He's the exact opposite of a mauler and teh exact opposite of any of the linemen this regime has been bringing in. Probably a fit for a team like the Rams or maybe the Browns. And as athletic as Dillard is, Dion Dawkins actually has a better three cone and significantly longer arms. I just don't see a fit there at all, and though I don't love Jonah Williams, I think it's crazy that the stigma is that his arms are short, while Dillards are slightly shorter and no one cares.To me,  Dillard seems like a terrible fit here. 

 

We have discussed before and I totally agree. Fit for a team that want to lean on the quick strike, rhythm short passing game. Buffalo want to pound the run and throw deep and I think Dillard would struggle to hold his blocks long enough and gets very little run game push.  Have the Bills spoken to him / had him in at any point? I haven't seen reports suggesting they had?

[MrEpsYtown]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

We have discussed before and I totally agree. Fit for a team that want to lean on the quick strike, rhythm short passing game. Buffalo want to pound the run and throw deep and I think Dillard would struggle to hold his blocks long enough and gets very little run game push.  Have the Bills spoken to him / had him in at any point? I haven't seen reports suggesting they had?

 

I haven't seen anything either and he just doesn't seem like the type of guy they would target. I've been wrong before, but I just don't see it. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

On 3/8/2019 at 7:53 AM, FeelingOnYouboty said:

 

There was one play where he and Ferrell slipped and it looked like he got destroyed. He was great in that game v another Top 15 guy. Watch again.

 

90% of opinions on how a guy played in "a game" are usually based on one or two plays.  No body is watching the national championship game and focusing on the left tackle.  They only notice when something bad happens, and that is thereafter there opinion for the rest of the game.  Johnah could have been ELITE the entire game, but because of that one (maybe even two) plays, he was horrible for the entire game.  

59 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

It's a common misconception that you can draft any guy and just move him to another position on the line.

Some guys can do it no problem, but I don't think they are the norm.

The concept that you just draft Williams and move him to the other side of the line has issues because :

#1 he most likely will not play as well, so taking him at #9 means he's a top LT, but he might only be an above average RT, equal to a later round natural RT

Or

Even worse case

#2 he can't play RT at all at the NFL level and actually sucks

 

I'm not saying these guys can't, because I don't know much about either... I honestly slacked on my oline prospect watching this year.

 

I just hate the narrative I see every year leading up to the draft, this applies to many positions, but I think I see it most with oline, to just "draft him and play him elsewhere"

 

 

That's kind of what I'm saying

People just assume you can move a guy around the line with no dropoff in play

Some guys can't play other line positions, some can

 

I don't think its a 50/50 proposition.  More guys CANNOT make the transition than can.  

[SouthNYfan]

36 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

90% of opinions on how a guy played in "a game" are usually based on one or two plays.  No body is watching the national championship game and focusing on the left tackle.  They only notice when something bad happens, and that is thereafter there opinion for the rest of the game.  Johnah could have been ELITE the entire game, but because of that one (maybe even two) plays, he was horrible for the entire game.  

 

I don't think its a 50/50 proposition.  More guys CANNOT make the transition than can.  

 

Definitely!!

Even if they can, like I said, there is probably a dropoff in play

So now that got who grades #9 overall at LT might only grade 2nd round playing RT

What waste the pick on that??

[Victory Formation]

Jonah could play guard I'm sure.... Taylor will likely be a very good RT. I'd rather have a very good RT at this point.

[Pete]

Ed Oliver

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

25 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Definitely!!

Even if they can, like I said, there is probably a dropoff in play

So now that got who grades #9 overall at LT might only grade 2nd round playing RT

What waste the pick on that??

 

I think this is a situation you follow the old rules-if the guy isn't your LT, you do not draft him top ten.  

[Augie]

20 minutes ago, Pete said:

Ed Oliver

 

It will be an odd moment when Ed Oliver is available at #9.........and we pick anybody else. I’m bracing myself for that, but realize these guys know far more than I do, so.......

[JAMIEBUF12]

Jawaan taylor

[Bookie Man]

Jawaan Taylor is one of my favorite players in the draft. 

[GreggTX]

At 9? Neither.Maybe at 15 or so. Otherwise, I'd go for BPA and beef up our talent on the DL which sorely needs it. We're going to really struggle against the run and with our pass rush if we don't. I expect a sizeable drop in our overrated D if we don't address this in the draft in round 1.

[billsredneck1]

6 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Dillard's arms are shorter than Williams'. And if Williams doesn't have a mean streak, Dillard is pillow fighting. There is no mean streak there whatsoever. He's athletic, tall and lean with very little run game ability. He's the exact opposite of a mauler and teh exact opposite of any of the linemen this regime has been bringing in. Probably a fit for a team like the Rams or maybe the Browns. And as athletic as Dillard is, Dion Dawkins actually has a better three cone and significantly longer arms. I just don't see a fit there at all, and though I don't love Jonah Williams, I think it's crazy that the stigma is that his arms are short, while Dillards are slightly shorter and no one cares.To me,  Dillard seems like a terrible fit here. 

this all may be true, i just posted on the common stuff i hear during various pundits being interviewed on the radio.

[John from Riverside]

Taylor

[CookieG]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have not heard of the Bills having Dillard in..... has anyone else?

It was a Bills' coach who ran him through his drills at his Pro Day.

[Mat68]

Neither.  I dont see either prospect as a top 10 pick.  In a draft high on talent I think there are impact players at numerous positions who will be available at 9.  Taylor or Willimas are strictly need based picks in the top 20.  The difference between them or who's available at 41 wont be significant.  

[MAJBobby]

Neither. They are not top 10 players and will be better players on the board when we are up.