BarleyNY Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Milton, I feel the same way. I am not a fan, but feel for those in Cleveland. I know though they haven’t won a championship since 1964, and three more time in the 50’s. They were making headway under Belicheck, until they fired him and moved to Baltimore. I’ve been to Cleveland a few times, and never heard any fans hate anyone more than Modell. They forget he was begging the city and the state to help him with a new stadium, so Baltimore ponied up. I just feel they have been in hell even longer than us. It’s nice to see different teams who have been bad for a long time turn themselves around. If this trade is true, Mayfield will have a heck of a Target with OBJ. I still want us to beat the pants off them every three years or more. Couple points of clarification from someone who lived through all of that. Minor point - Belichick wasn’t fired until after the move. Major point - Cleveland was negotiating with Modell on a new stadium, but he had already found a sweeter deal with Baltimore. They weren’t going to let him use them as leverage so he kept the deal quiet and simply rejected everything Cleveland offered him. His criticism of the plot next to Jacob’s Field was that not was “too loud”. Notably the deal he got was very similar to the expansion team deal Baltimore offered the NFL. A deal he helped kill. Cleveland could have been more proactive, but they were out of it before it started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) Johnny Manziel is opening a donut shop called JOHNNY B GOOD Edited March 7, 2019 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Jalen Ramsey > OBJ Younger Better player More important position The Browns are probably a Top 10 offense next year without OBJ. Getting Ramsey turns their Defense into one of the best units in the league giving them three franchise players on that side of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Jalen Ramsey > OBJ Younger Better player More important position The Browns are probably a Top 10 offense next year without OBJ. Getting Ramsey turns their Defense into one of the best units in the league giving them three franchise players on that side of the ball. Wait, is there a rumor they're in on Ramsey? Or that Ramsey is available? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, TOboy said: Wait, is there a rumor they're in on Ramsey? Or that Ramsey is available? There's been some rumors. Not sure how valid they are to be honest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: There's been some rumors. Not sure how valid they are to be honest. The Browns and Jags have been in discussions. I’m sure the Browns would love Ramsey, but I doubt he’s available. Malik Jackson makes a lot more sense. Jags need to clear cap space for Foles, draft picks, etc. Edited March 7, 2019 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: . Getting Ramsey turns their Defense into one of the best units in the league This feels like its a bit much, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: This feels like its a bit much, no? They were 12 in Defense DVOA according to Football Outsiders. Jalen Ramsey is a Khalil Mack type addition to any defense. Year 2 of Denzel Ward. Year 3 of Myles Garrett. They could take a big leap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 15 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: The Three Divas... Mayfield, Landry, and ODB in the same locker room? Get me some pop corn! This is gonna get ugly in a hurry!!! They're also very talented players....I don't think Bills fans have too much of a right to make fun of other organizations considering our history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I don't blame the Browns for trading for a proven playmaker at WR. I think the top 7 or 8 WR's in this draft should be 2nd rd picks. I think the biggest gambles in the draft are the QB and WR positions. College football does no favors to scouts evaluating those two positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 4 hours ago, BarleyNY said: Couple points of clarification from someone who lived through all of that. Minor point - Belichick wasn’t fired until after the move. Major point - Cleveland was negotiating with Modell on a new stadium, but he had already found a sweeter deal with Baltimore. They weren’t going to let him use them as leverage so he kept the deal quiet and simply rejected everything Cleveland offered him. His criticism of the plot next to Jacob’s Field was that not was “too loud”. Notably the deal he got was very similar to the expansion team deal Baltimore offered the NFL. A deal he helped kill. Cleveland could have been more proactive, but they were out of it before it started. Barley- You’re closer to this than me, but apppreciate the insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Barley- You’re closer to this than me, but apppreciate the insight. Thanks. Not a problem. Not a lot of people outside of Clevelandera/Browns fans know the whole story - and even some of them don’t. I will say this though - after building the new baseball park and arena the city did drag its feet on a new NFL stadium for Modell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 20 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: double asshats twittering again. memo: it is not a rumor if you have no player names, to you know, make it a rumor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 19 hours ago, cle23 said: The work stoppage part is 100% made up. What kind of evidence do you have for that claim? NFL cba history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_lockout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 What's going on in Cleveland? Fun Times!! https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DoZzgAjjuqZM&ved=2ahUKEwipi-S-zPDgAhVJuZ4KHbUmBPMQyCkwAHoECAwQBA&usg=AOvVaw1WyVjG8wpT_KqRF27dER7w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: Thanks. Not a problem. Not a lot of people outside of Clevelandera/Browns fans know the whole story - and even some of them don’t. I will say this though - after building the new baseball park and arena the city did drag its feet on a new NFL stadium for Modell. http://blog.cleveland.com/pdextra/2012/09/how_cleveland_lost_the_browns.html Modell was ignored for years by the city, even when the Gateway complex (Cavs/Indians) was being planned he was being ignored. None of the city leadership thought he'd actually consider moving the team. The best was when Mayor Mike White acted all surprised and outraged after ignoring Modell for so long. But Art was a lousy businessman too and Baltimore's deal bailed him out of financial problems in Cleveland. On one level I don't blame Modell for moving the team because, at the time, City government was the quintessential definition of red tape but it was very much a d#ck thing he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I personally wouldn't mind watching the Browns continue being a dumpster fire of an organization. In this wacky, bizzaro world that we live in, it's good to have some things remain the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Maybe this was about the release of Jamie Collins? As quite interesting move as he's a pretty good player. I just hope he doesn't go back to New England on the cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 minute ago, The Jokeman said: Maybe this was about the release of Jamie Collins? As quite interesting move as he's a pretty good player. I just hope he doesn't go back to New England on the cheap. The Collins release was about clearing cap space for other moves. He was expensive for the uneven performance he was giving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Jokeman Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 minute ago, BarleyNY said: The Collins release was about clearing cap space for other moves. He was expensive for the uneven performance he was giving. If it is for OBJ I question what they doing as to me you want to build a better defense when you have the Steelers in your division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: If it is for OBJ I question what they doing as to me you want to build a better defense when you have the Steelers in your division. That’s not the only deal they’re trying to make. I’m not sure how far along they are with any of them though. Of course they could have deals in place with free agents too Edited March 7, 2019 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 21 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Tanking again, they didnt feel comfortable with all those wins last year ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 On 3/6/2019 at 1:40 PM, 2018 Our Year For Sure said: Good for Odell getting to a QB who can get him the ball. That dude will be thrilled if this is true I bet you have never thought you would ever type that sentence as it pertains to the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 8 hours ago, cba fan said: NFL cba history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_lockout I wasn't disputing there could be a work stoppage. I was disputing that claim that it affected trade talks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2019/3/7/18255016/cleveland-browns-giants-reportedly-laughed-trade-offer-for-odell-beckham-jr Browns will always suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thebandit27 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Wow...Vernon and Myles Garrett together...yikes. Imagine if they end up getting Jeffrey Simmons in the draft--that's a heckuva scary DL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DCOrange Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Seems like a pretty smart trade for both sides really. Zeitler and Will Hernandez (and Solder if god forbid he gets it back together) is a pretty solid nucleus for what has been a terrible OLine in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, One Buffalo said: ***** you Ian. Go report on baseball or some *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MrEpsYtown Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, One Buffalo said: I don't understand teh move from the Browns perspective, unless they are trading Ogbah. But it's a great move for the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I honestly would have considered moving Hughes for Zeitler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 This does hurt the Giants' cap flexibility quite a bit, which helps us in the running for Daryl Williams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: This does hurt the Giants' cap flexibility quite a bit, which helps us in the running for Daryl Williams. Hmmmm...spotrac seems to indicate that they Giants have over $30M in cap space... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/cap/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, thebandit27 said: Hmmmm...spotrac seems to indicate that they Giants have over $30M in cap space... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/cap/ I guess my point is that we will be able to offer more, once you take into account their rookie class and other additions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: This does hurt the Giants' cap flexibility quite a bit, which helps us in the running for Daryl Williams. Vernon's salary is higher than Zeitler's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Not sure they can break bank for Williams if they are paying Solder and Zeitler that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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