Stank_Nasty Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Yav said: Flacco is a damn good QB. Not flash, not great but good. You can not like him but he's better than what Denver's had. I personally think he needed a fresh start with better offensive players. Baltimore is a D first team, why else would they trade a QB that can actually throw the ball for one that's quite possibly worse than RG3 and Kaepernick together? this is so false.... the guy has been the definition of average since his run to the title and that's being nice. Edited February 13, 2019 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ColoradoBills Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, Hurricane said: This will probably start a flurry of moves Yes it will. Next question is "Which team will want to try Keenum". A pick and 18 million for 2019, DEN eats 3 million. 3 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: If the Broncos owe zero guaranteed money to flacco, QB will still be in play for them at the drafy They will have Flacco with 0 guaranteed. Your draft statement is still sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: So they go from Keenum to Flacco.. Keep spinning those wheels Elway. How is this different fro something that Seattle has done? They too were bringing in anyone to try and find the guy. They just got lucky with Wilson. You have to evaluate and keep trying. I would expect our FO to do the same if we had many of the pieces together. And how many of the receivers Flacco has played with were awesome. I don't remember many, maybe an old steve smith and one other guy? A new start might just be what Flacco needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Yav said: Flacco is a damn good QB. Not flash, not great but good. You can not like him but he's better than what Denver's had. I personally think he needed a fresh start with better offensive players. Baltimore is a D first team, why else would they trade a QB that can actually throw the ball for one that's quite possibly worse than RG3 and Kaepernick together? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) Ok not as bad as I thought. Actually $0 of Flacco is guaranteed and Keenum "only" has 7 mill guranteed. So walking away from Keenum will "only" cost em 10 mill of 2019 cap space. So Denver might still be drafting a rookie QB. Edited February 13, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: How is this different fro something that Seattle has done? They too were bringing in anyone to try and find the guy. They just got lucky with Wilson. You have to evaluate and keep trying. I would expect our FO to do the same if we had many of the pieces together. And how many of the receivers Flacco has played with were awesome. I don't remember many, maybe an old steve smith and one other guy? A new start might just be what Flacco needs. Denver isn’t exactly loaded at WR either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It seems to me that DEN would be foolish to redo his contract this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DCOrange said: this is awesome. its blows my mind how much a playoff run nearly a decade ago clouds peoples judgment on this guy.... he's been barely average ever since. Edited February 13, 2019 by Stank_Nasty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I'm not sure how this helps Denver. I guess it's a "we have a great D" win-now and hope Flacco discovers his playoff MVP play again move. Otherwise, it's a slight upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Unless Flacco gives up a bunch of money, I don't see why Denver restructures. I also don't think it rules them out from drafting a QB this year. They can cut Flacco at any point in the next 3 years and owe nothing with no dead cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: this is so false.... the guy has been the definition of average since his run to the title and that's being nice. hmm, didn't know opinions could be true of false. interesting. On a side not, I disagree with you. I think he's been a good QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Just now, Chuck Wagon said: Unless Flacco gives up a bunch of money, I don't see why Denver restructures. I also don't think it rules them out from drafting a QB this year. They can cut Flacco at any point in the next 3 years and owe nothing with no dead cap. I imagine that's the only way a restructure happens; Flacco agrees to take less money while Denver agrees to guarantee a decent amount of it. Flacco must know after this trade that if he doesn't restructure, he simply won't see the end of the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Yav said: hmm, didn't know opinions could be true of false. interesting. On a side not, I disagree with you. I think he's been a good QB. everyone is entitled to an opinion... that doesn't mean its right or a good one. literally everything from win/loss records to his numbers state the opposite of what you are saying. why do people always fall back on that? …. "well its my opinion. it cant be wrong" my prediction is this gets the broncos absolutely nowhere. Edited February 13, 2019 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Flacco is the poster boy of mediocre QBs. Elway is just throwing crap at the wall. If Flacco doesn’t work out, Chuckie and the Raiders will take him off the Broncos’ hands. ? Probably at a net gain for Denver. Edited February 13, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, DCOrange said: And? If we're going off just numbers, Taylor had a great year in 2016 playing for buffalo ranking him at #9 in QBR - guess that means Taylor is a top 10 guy in your books because numbers matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Flacco is a mystery to me. I think he had one of the best playoff and super bowl performances ever, he was so amazing as a passer in that playoff/super bowl run. I don't know why his numbers took such a dive, I still think if you put talent around Flacco that he could be a top 10 QB. If the Broncos can just make it to the playoffs they should be ok, Flacco seems to flick a switch in the playoffs and is just deadly accurate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Flacco is a mystery to me. I think he had one of the best playoff and super bowl performances ever, he was so amazing as a passer in that playoff/super bowl run. I don't know why his numbers took such a dive, I still think if you put talent around Flacco that he could be a top 10 QB. If the Broncos can just make it to the playoffs they should be ok, Flacco seems to flick a switch in the playoffs and is just deadly accurate. I agree. He's got a lot of talent and just needs some help around him and a coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: This is so Elway. He has no clue how to draft and develop a QB. ...take it easy on 'em Wilbur.......... Edited February 13, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Flacco is a mystery to me. I think he had one of the best playoff and super bowl performances ever, he was so amazing as a passer in that playoff/super bowl run. I don't know why his numbers took such a dive, I still think if you put talent around Flacco that he could be a top 10 QB. If the Broncos can just make it to the playoffs they should be ok, Flacco seems to flick a switch in the playoffs and is just deadly accurate. To be fair, he had a couple of throw it up and pray plays that saved their playoff run. Few very low percentage plays at end of games that went their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wo-Bah Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Does this mean Baltimore is sold on Lamar Jackson? Because I sure am not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: If Flacco doesn’t work out, Chuckie and the Raiders will take him off the Broncos’ hands. ? Probably at a net gain for Denver. I disagree, Ridge, as Flacco has never played for the Bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: To be fair, he had a couple of throw it up and pray plays that saved their playoff run. Few very low percentage plays at end of games that went their way. In other words, he was lucky. Just now, Wo-Bah said: Does this mean Baltimore is sold on Lamar Jackson? Because I sure am not. It sure seems that way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: To be fair, he had a couple of throw it up and pray plays that saved their playoff run. Few very low percentage plays at end of games that went their way. the bomb against the broncos was 100% awful throw. the safety, Morris, completely blew that play.... it was an awful throw and should have ended the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 52 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This is so Elway. He has no clue how to draft and develop a QB. Its shocking to me that he still has a job. No clue what he is doing when it comes to the QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Yav said: And? If we're going off just numbers, Taylor had a great year in 2016 playing for buffalo ranking him at #9 in QBR - guess that means Taylor is a top 10 guy in your books because numbers matter. QBR is one number (though I think Tyrod has Flacco beat across the board at this point anyways). There's no way to look at a chart of basically every relevant QB statistic, see that Flacco is in line or behind McCown in all of them, and come to the conclusion that he's anything but a below-average at best QB. 2 minutes ago, Wo-Bah said: Does this mean Baltimore is sold on Lamar Jackson? Because I sure am not. I imagine they're committed to him at least for the next year or two unless the wheels really fall off, but this was just an obvious move to make. Flacco was going to be their backup QB while getting $20+ million per year and instead, they get an extra 4th round pick and can go and scoop up a decent backup QB at a fraction of the cost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 So does this mean Denver is out of the 1st Round QB debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Dkollidas said: So does this mean Denver is out of the 1st Round QB debate? I don't think so. I don't know that they really intend to use a first round pick on a QB even before this, but I don't think Flacco takes them out of it either. He's a bad starting QB and even in the best case scenario, he's only a short-term fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 56 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This is so Elway. He has no clue how to draft and develop a QB. Seems like his last desperation move to save his job! 2 minutes ago, Dkollidas said: So does this mean Denver is out of the 1st Round QB debate? Not at all- if I am Denver, I am still drafting a QB and letting him develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, billsfan_34 said: Seems like his last desperation move to save his job! LOL, that's what people out here in Colorado said about the Keenum move! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 There goes my trade down twice scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 53 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This is so Elway. He has no clue how to draft and develop a QB. For some teams that is the norm. Look at the Vikings, rarely do they try to develop a QB, preferring to pick up veterans QB's instead. Not sure if that is a terrible model as you SHOULD know what you are getting and it should be less of a gamble than finding out if your drafted QB prospect has the juice to lead your offense. Bridgewater was a bit of an exception, and his tenure was short-lived. Considering Denver's success rate with developing prospects, this is arguably the wiser course for that team to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeam Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Does anyone know if (or how) these trades before the league year are binding? Could a team just sweep in and highjack the deal with say a 3rd round pick? If so.. GETRR DONE Beane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: LOL, that's what people out here in Colorado said about the Keenum move! 9 lives Elway ??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, HomeTeam said: Does anyone know if (or how) these trades before the league year are binding? Could a team just sweep in and highjack the deal with say a 3rd round pick? If so.. GETRR DONE Beane What in the what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 39 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Who else did they get in this trade or are you referring to another move? Flacco isn't elite, but he's a better player than Case Keenum. Simply put, he can make throws that Keenum can't. Paired with a good defense, which Denver has, he has proven he can win (Baltimore has a 96-67 record when he's at the helm and went 10-5 in the postseason). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Shocking right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Flacco isn't elite, but he's a better player than Case Keenum. Simply put, he can make throws that Keenum can't. Paired with a good defense, which Denver has, he has proven he can win (Baltimore has a 96-67 record when he's at the helm and went 10-5 in the postseason). That doesn't answer the question. A slight upgrade over a bad QB doesn't mean Flacco is a good QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 44 minutes ago, jletha said: Is he THAT much better than Case that you give up assetts (gotta see what they traded) and pay him $20mill a year? Id just ride it out with Case Well it’s not final yet but the twitterheads are saying they only gave up a mid-round pick for Flacco. They are also saying Denver will be most definitely restructuring his deal, so there’s no telling yet what they’ll end up paying him. Hey I think Flacco sucks too but Keenum was terrible. The run he went on in Minn in ‘17 is looking like a fluke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DCOrange said: That doesn't answer the question. A slight upgrade over a bad QB doesn't mean Flacco is a good QB. They were whiskers away from being 10-6 last season. They lost a ton of close games that could have flipped them to 10-6 if Flacco had been the QB. He really is a better player than Keenum, who had one outlier season and showed us who he really was this a year: a guy who can't really throw a deep out with any effectiveness. Are they 13-3 good with Flacco? No, but there's no QB out there who'll get them to 13-3. Flacco is a measurable upgrade over Keenum and the team will be better for it. I don't see why anyone would mock this decision. Getting to the playoffs is where you start and always the goal, and Flacco has shown he can perform well in the postseason. Edited February 13, 2019 by dave mcbride 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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