SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 50 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Yeah there were a few miscreants but with great work ethics something Marcel never had, imo. You miss a bus for a game you are out the door in New England. be 5 minutes late in a BLIZZARD and you get benched. But PED's and super secret treatments at TB12 are OK I liked Dareus but the man was too dumb to remember when the annual drug screenings were scheduled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: be 5 minutes late in a BLIZZARD and you get benched. But PED's and super secret treatments at TB12 are OK I liked Dareus but the man was too dumb to remember when the annual drug screenings were scheduled. Dont forget the drops and Satanic riruals. They probably sacrifice ball boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: What a shame because he had every bit of strength and talent that he needed to be great. He was great for a few minutes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Just now, vincec said: He was great for a few minutes. He was. I remember when he completely took over a game and demolished the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Irv said: New England San Diego San Francisco LA Seattle DC Denver Detroit Las Vegas Reefer is legal! I don't think the NFL cares about state laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) I think Darius is one of those naturally gifted athletes that coaches will always struggle to motivate. You see recruits like these all the time, that is why good talent evaluators have to look under the hood at a kid's work habits and motivation If a prospect is on the radar he has skills that stand out, but does he love the game, does he work at taking his skills to the next level, or is he someone who struggles with complacency or disciplining himself. Darius' measurables coming out of Bama were exceptional for a defensive tackle, and he was productive for the Bills, but I don't know if he will ever conquer the habits he has acquired that have made his ability to compete at a high level slide as they have. Spending his formative years playing under Club Rex did not exactly instill the habits he needed. Edited February 13, 2019 by WideNine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 He’s fat. Let’s just end it with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 It’s hilarious how people remember thjngs 1). For the comments about his weight. I guarantee he is way more athletic than most of the posters making fun of him 2). Guess why his contract was so big? Because he was awesome. 2nd team all pro good. Through 4 years, Dareus has 28.5 sacks. Warren Sapp had 29.5. 3) Rex ryan’s System did suck and he ruined one of the best defenses in the nfl. dareus made a ton of mistakes. But constant coaching change, losing (he competed for titles in college), and a ton of death in his family played a part. I do agree that it’s a shame how his career went because he had HOF talent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It’s hilarious how people remember thjngs 1). For the comments about his weight. I guarantee he is way more athletic than most of the posters making fun of him 2). Guess why his contract was so big? Because he was awesome. 2nd team all pro good. Through 4 years, Dareus has 28.5 sacks. Warren Sapp had 29.5. 3) Rex ryan’s System did suck and he ruined one of the best defenses in the nfl. dareus made a ton of mistakes. But constant coaching change, losing (he competed for titles in college), and a ton of death in his family played a part. I do agree that it’s a shame how his career went because he had HOF talent. i loved dareus, but the guy is lazy. there's no reason to make excuses for him. he got paid, he was mentally done, and now he's moving to burden status. fat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 7 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Tub o’ goo 3 pick wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 8 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: As I read it there are 3 possible reasons you would post this. 1. You are wondering if the Bills would be interested in bringing him back since it's a position of need. If so, hell no! 2. Maybe you want to reinforce the fact that the Bills did the right thing by releasing him and giving props to the front office. If so, yes kudos are well deserved. 3. You are interning as a junior cap-ologist with the Jags and want to run this by us first before you present it to their GM. If so, Congrats on the new position and yes, CUT HIS LAZY ARSE!! Love the analysis of someone giving an analysis- must be the off season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Great chance he will he cut. Where will he end up? Philly maybe (Schwartz) on a one year deal. If ever there was a guy who needed nothing but one year deals, here’s your guy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 hours ago, teef said: He’s fat. Let’s just end it with that. ...LOL......Dareus and Benjabum in the SAME Uber ride back to Bflo?........the Slimfast bookends............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meazy26 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 8 hours ago, dneveu said: Why stay? Team was supposed to be an AFC contender and went 5-11. Malik Jackson may be a cap casualty as well unless they extend him and spread his cap hit out. They went all in and are now somehow over the cap with no QB, no WRs, a mediocre Oline (largely injury related in 2018), a top picked RB who may not even be very good... They didn't even pay their best player yet! Jax will need to cut their losses in 2019 to get set up for the future. They're going to have to pay Ramsay, Jack, and Ngakoue if they want to maintain a strong defense. Just a mess... I feel like I remember Jacksonville having like 70+ mil in cap like 3 or 4 years ago... mismanagement of epic proportions lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, teef said: i loved dareus, but the guy is lazy. there's no reason to make excuses for him. he got paid, he was mentally done, and now he's moving to burden status. fat. He's lazy........but still quite good. He was outstanding in McD's scheme before they traded him.......he was stacking em up and shedding and just flat out making it hard for teams to run on the Bills...........and he basically flipped the Jags run D from one of the worst to one of the best upon arrival. As disappointing as he has been he is still a lot better player than the grossly overpaid Star Lotulelei.........who scares exactly ZERO DC's or O lineman and couldn't get off of a block to make a tackle to save his life last season...........he fell off a cliff production-wise last year and it wasn't like he was changing schemes. And again......he's costing the Bills $10M+ for each of the next two seasons until they have a reasonable "out" in his contract. If Dareus was in McBeane's salary cap frying pan........Star is ? they flopped into. Oh well.......it's only money. Wouldn't be surprising to see Star being a healthy scratch often next year............and even though he was a late 3rd round pick it would be disappointing if Harrison Phillips couldn't provide more than what Star did. This ain't some ancient 3/4 D employing an immovable 400# NT.......there are plays to be made for the zeroT DT in this defense. Edited February 13, 2019 by BADOLBILZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Meazy26 said: I feel like I remember Jacksonville having like 70+ mil in cap like 3 or 4 years ago... mismanagement of epic proportions lol ...good call bud....remember all the kickin' and screamin' about bringing in Coughlin as the "OBD Czar"?.......he's been either a czarina or mail order Russian bride..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...good call bud....remember all the kickin' and screamin' about bringing in Coughlin as the "OBD Czar"?.......he's been either a czarina or mail order Russian bride..... They had already made most of those huge FA signings before Marrone/Coughlin were in the roles they are now. Jacksonville's problem is that they tanked for too long(5 years, and not by design) and ended up with a tremendously star laden roster but no stud QB and a very small window before they had to re-arrange the roster. Still going to have some cornerstone studs on that roster when it's all said and done though. And gotta' give them credit........they slapped the Steelers silly and had the Pats on the ropes in Foxboro in the AFC title game......and if they'd have won that who knows..........maybe they get a one-off Lombardi like Gruden's Tampa Bay Bucs or Harbaugh's Ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: They had already made most of those huge FA signings before Marrone/Coughlin were in the roles they are now. Jacksonville's problem is that they tanked for too long(5 years, and not by design) and ended up with a tremendously star laden roster but no stud QB and a very small window before they had to re-arrange the roster. Still going to have some cornerstone studs on that roster when it's all said and done though. And gotta' give them credit........they slapped the Steelers silly and had the Pats on the ropes in Foxboro in the AFC title game......and if they'd have won that who knows..........maybe they get a one-off Lombardi like Gruden's Tampa Bay Bucs or Harbaugh's Ravens. ...highly touted and then the wheels fell off...what happened?...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 25 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: He's lazy........but still quite good. He was outstanding in McD's scheme before they traded him.......he was stacking em up and shedding and just flat out making it hard for teams to run on the Bills...........and he basically flipped the Jags run D from one of the worst to one of the best upon arrival. As disappointing as he has been he is still a lot better player than the grossly overpaid Star Lotulelei.........who scares exactly ZERO DC's or O lineman and couldn't get off of a block to make a tackle to save his life last season...........he fell off a cliff production-wise last year and it wasn't like he was changing schemes. And again......he's costing the Bills $10M+ for each of the next two seasons until they have a reasonable "out" in his contract. If Dareus was in McBeane's salary cap frying pan........Star is ? they flopped into. Oh well.......it's only money. Wouldn't be surprising to see Star being a healthy scratch often next year............and even though he was a late 3rd round pick it would be disappointing if Harrison Phillips couldn't provide more than what Star did. This ain't some ancient 3/4 D employing an immovable 400# NT.......there are plays to be made for the zeroT DT in this defense. Did i mention he was fat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: He's lazy........but still quite good. He was outstanding in McD's scheme before they traded him.......he was stacking em up and shedding and just flat out making it hard for teams to run on the Bills...........and he basically flipped the Jags run D from one of the worst to one of the best upon arrival. As disappointing as he has been he is still a lot better player than the grossly overpaid Star Lotulelei.........who scares exactly ZERO DC's or O lineman and couldn't get off of a block to make a tackle to save his life last season...........he fell off a cliff production-wise last year and it wasn't like he was changing schemes. And again......he's costing the Bills $10M+ for each of the next two seasons until they have a reasonable "out" in his contract. If Dareus was in McBeane's salary cap frying pan........Star is ? they flopped into. Oh well.......it's only money. Wouldn't be surprising to see Star being a healthy scratch often next year............and even though he was a late 3rd round pick it would be disappointing if Harrison Phillips couldn't provide more than what Star did. This ain't some ancient 3/4 D employing an immovable 400# NT.......there are plays to be made for the zeroT DT in this defense. That was my take with Star. I know folks talk about how he occupied blockers, but there is a difference between occupying blockers and being hermetically sealed to them. I kept thinking, can't you at least fall into the path of one of those runs. He gets steered out of the play. Hoping we see more from him or get someone who can actually push or collapse the pocket from the other DT position. With the way NE and other team ran at will against the Bills I would think getting a Defensive Tackle that can play on the other side of the LOS and maybe have a few tackles for a loss would be a value pick at 9. If QB's can't step into a clean pocket then maybe Hughes and Murphy pick up some more sacks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, teef said: Did i mention he was fat? No.........you just said you loved him and were falling in love with Star until you found out he was part of that LDS cult from Palmyra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: No.........you just said you loved him and were falling in love with Star until you found out he was part of that LDS cult from Palmyra. It somehow always goes back to palmyra! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...highly touted and then the wheels fell off...what happened?...... 1) Blake Bortles. 2) Too many stars and not enough grinders on D. 3) Injuries and OL dysfunction. 4) Rest of their division got better and caught them by surprise. 5) Caught up in hype........which contributed to 1 thru 4 In some ways their D last year reminded me of those Bills SB years defenses...........loaded with stars trying to make big plays but not really into that "defend every blade of grass" thing that some of the better defenses are into. Works fine when you have an offense that gives you leads...........but it wasn't the same defense they were playing the year earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: 1) Blake Bortles. 2) Too many stars and not enough grinders on D. 3) Injuries and OL dysfunction. 4) Rest of their division got better and caught them by surprise. 5) Caught up in hype........which contributed to 1 thru 4 In some ways their D last year reminded me of those Bills SB years defenses...........loaded with stars trying to make big plays but not really into that "defend every blade of grass" thing that some of the better defenses are into. Works fine when you have an offense that gives you leads...........but it wasn't the same defense they were playing the year earlier. ...all very valid points.....so I think it's safe to say theat despite all of the kicking and screaming as to how OBD effed up by not bringing in Coughlin as the "cure all czar", a similar tenable situation in Bflo with no magic wand or rabbits in his top hat would have produced similar results......yet another example of "the name game" as being the right answer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...all very valid points.....so I think it's safe to say theat despite all of the kicking and screaming as to how OBD effed up by not bringing in Coughlin as the "cure all czar", a similar tenable situation in Bflo with no magic wand or rabbits in his top hat would have produced similar results......yet another example of "the name game" as being the right answer.... Yeah I'm not that big of a fan of using guys like Polian or Coughlin as a "czar".........if the game hasn't passed them by they certainly are clinging to it by their fingernails.........but ultimately the Pegula's definitely needed better direction than they were getting from Russ. Russ was a lousy football man and The Pegs were very, very casual football fans. When you live a few blocks from Rich Stadium and can't make it to a single game during the SB era.........you aren't that into it. So we are enduring a learning curve with them as they get steered around by a BS'er like Rex and and a faith salesman like McD and we can only hope that at some point it either works out by chance(like Ralph with Polian) or they get a clear vision of how to run an NFL team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 13 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: No more Bama players! Robert Foster and Levi Wallace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Marcell could be the best DL in the NFL if he wanted it bad enough. What a shame. He'll regret it some day that he didn't get it together when he had the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Not worst the money = bye bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 16 hours ago, Meazy26 said: I feel like I remember Jacksonville having like 70+ mil in cap like 3 or 4 years ago... mismanagement of epic proportions lol Well they were in good shape - paid a big contract to... Malik Jackson, Calais Campbell, AJ Bouye, Andrew Norwell, Tashaun Gipson - traded for Dareus during a playoff run too. Extended Telvin Smith, Marqise Lee. When the roster is this top heavy, injuries just tank the whole year. Not to mention they extended Blake Bortles for some odd reason. They hit on Ramsay for sure - and jack seems like a solid LB. Cam Robinson was alright in 2017 before missing most of last year. But Fournette, Bortles, and Fowler have not made the impact that they needed to when all 3 were picked in the top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnallen Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 On 2/13/2019 at 7:16 AM, dave mcbride said: Good call. I can see NE too. Maybe LA? His career ain’t over yet, Bill. I think that’s meaningless,p. Players want to win. But Bill would make him work hard. I’m not sure he wants that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 I'm still puzzled by the Bortles extension. They could have been in better shape letting him go and either getting a FA place holder or draft someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 On 2/13/2019 at 9:44 PM, TigerJ said: Robert Foster and Levi Wallace? ...two excellent finds.....not to mention they were UDFA's......somebody did their homework IMO.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/14/2019 at 4:35 AM, GreggTX said: Marcell could be the best DL in the NFL if he wanted it bad enough. What a shame. He'll regret it some day that he didn't get it together when he had the chance. Doubtful. He's made tens of millions and if he cared he would have busted his ass all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 47 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: He was def tops in the league in 2013 and among the top 3 in 2014. Id still take him and his salary over Star and his any day of the week. I wouldn't. Been there, done that. And the 2014 season was 4 seasons ago. He checked-out after that one/when he got the big contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/14/2019 at 7:17 PM, apuszczalowski said: I'm still puzzled by the Bortles extension. They could have been in better shape letting him go and either getting a FA place holder or draft someone. Or Just let him play out his 5th year option and then decide. If he has a fantastic season, you franchise him. The Bortles extension was the worst signings in recent memory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, Doc said: I wouldn't. Been there, done that. And the 2014 season was 4 seasons ago. He checked-out after that one/when he got the big contract. The Bills had the second ranked defense in the league last year with Star, they were never that good with Dareus. Star also made 5 million less than Dareus last year. I doubt we ever have to worry about Star being suspended by the league because he was feeling sad and couldnt obey rules, drag racing, eating himself out of shape, or being investigated for assault. When I see the Dareus apologists on this board I wonder if I am the only fan who lived through his madness. He hasnt been anything more than an average DT since 2014. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/14/2019 at 4:35 AM, GreggTX said: Marcell could be the best DL in the NFL if he wanted it bad enough. What a shame. He'll regret it some day that he didn't get it together when he had the chance. Although he will have more than enough money to live on, there is even more to be made when you are an NFL Hall of Famer. Yeah, I completely agree. I retirement he will essentially be a JAG who made a lot of money. That is tough on an athelet when you fade quickly from people's memory. 6 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: The Bills had the second ranked defense in the league last year with Star, they were never that good with Dareus. Star also made 5 million less than Dareus last year. I doubt we ever have to worry about Star being suspended by the league because he was feeling sad and couldnt obey rules, drag racing, eating himself out of shape, or being investigated for assault. When I see the Dareus apologists on this board I wonder if I am the only fan who lived through his madness. He hasnt been anything more than an average DT since 2014. Very well said, TNR. Additionally, Star knows his place and job and isn't going to pout over wanting more attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Last years defense compared to 2014s isn't even close. The defense that year was better in every aspect. This is complete hyperbole on your part. 2014 was better in some aspects, they recorded more sacks and had a few more interceptions. However, last years team gave up less yardage a game, especially against the pass. Against the rush the difference is pretty negligible, the 2014 team has 2018 by about 8 yards a game. 2014 was not better in every aspect. Just the highlights. They werent even a higher ranked defense, in 2014 they were ranked 4th. In 2018 they were ranked 2nd. Again, its close and by no means was 2018 far better than 2014, but I would take Star every day of the week over the Captain Hat. Edited February 27, 2019 by thenorthremembers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Last years defense compared to 2014s isn't even close. The defense that year was better in every aspect. And that was all attributable to Dareus? Then again, maybe it was. But again, he was a different player back then. That ship has sailed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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