CBS.com 2018 Re-Draft: Allen to Jets, Bills take Rosen; Robert Foster, Levi Wallace go in 1st round

[Stank_Nasty]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

Yeah, 80 solo tackles, 2 INT, 2 FF in 15 games as a rookie sucks.  You still don't get it.  In a year everyone knew the Bills wouldn't contend they got the chance to mold a 19-year-old kid with stupendous talent and give him a year of experience in their defense.  Was he an instant All-Pro?  No, but I guess that's your measuring stick for a rookie 1st rounder.

 

Edmunds not being on this list given both the way he played and his potential is a little ridiculous -- even with the growing pains.

 

 

When I saw Scott’s post all I could do was chuckle. Somebody that far gone isn’t even worth your time. 

 

Edmunds was an individual in the middle of the 2nd ranked yardage D in the Nfl and 2nd overall defense in the NFL according to football outsiders DVOA. He EARNED conference defensive rookie of the month to close out the year and was the only player in the NFL with 120 tackles, 2 int, 2FF, and 10 passes defended. 

 

.... but he struggled all year and Scottlaw is quite worried. cool story, Bruh.....Foolishness. 

 

 

Edited February 6, 2019 by Stank_Nasty

[teef]

11 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Edmunds struggled last season.

 

I still have no idea why people have praised his play so much.

 

9 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Philips? Guy was nonexistent.

[Bill from NYC]

12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

No Roquan Smith either 

That is very strange. I consider him to be a great player.

[Boca BIlls]

11 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Worse situation for Rosen than Josh put up with. Much worse line. 

 

Like it or not, he's got a chance, still, to be a very good one.

 

No way to know, with any of them, but there's a chance.

He isn't good, he had better players around him than Josh did.

[YoloinOhio]

12 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:

He isn't good, he had better players around him than Josh did.

That’s my opinion as well. Where were the Cards worse than the Bills? 

[The Now Moment]

10 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Philips? Guy was nonexistent.

He had 35 combined tackles, more than Michael Bennett, Everson Griffen and Brandon Williams to name a few.  He didn't make a ton of big splash plays but as a 3rd round pick that shouldn't be expected.  He produced well for being in a heavy rotation.  

[Chuck Wagon]

12 hours ago, Kmart128 said:

They had Barkley falling into the 20s justvso he could go to Patriots. Horrid redraft.

 

 

Total click bait move

[YoloinOhio]

 

Edited February 6, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[BillsMafia13]

51 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

That’s my opinion as well. Where were the Cards worse than the Bills? 

I dont get how people use this argument.  They say Arizona lost so much of their oline due to injuries, we just lost all ours before the season started. We also didnt have Kirk, Fitz, or DJ so im not buying it.

[MJS]

13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

He seems to think he was put in a bad situation (is Buffalo’s offense much better?) and that he still has the chops to be a franchize QB. I mean, maybe. 

 

Yeah. It's kind of bold to claim Rosen had the worst situation. Pretty clear to me that Allen had just as bad of a situation. There's no way you can claim that their offensive line was worse, and certainly the Bills had a worse WR group. Rosen had a future hall of famer to throw to.

 

Anyway, that's why Allen went 3rd and Rosen 12th. He showed more with a similar situation. But Rosen should have dropped out of the first.

 

I also think Taron Johnson should have gone in the first. He dropped off people's radar after he was shut down later in the season, but he was consistently rated as one of the best rookie CB's in the league.

[Not at the table Karlos]

13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

That would never happen as he says, he thinks gettleman would take him all over again. He’s going by what he would do if he were these teams, and doesn’t put a lot of value on the RB position. 

If he was there at 22 i would have sprinted to the podium and hoped he didnt die behind our terrible line

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yup, absent.

 

No Roquan Smith either 

 

Roquan smith went 21 to he bengals 

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

11 hours ago, GreggTX said:

 Wallace and Foster saved that draft along with Teller and T Johnson. It's Edmunds and Allen that worry me. I can't imagine Allen at #3. I can also see Edmunds going on day 2 or even day 3.

The defensive rookie of the month for December with incredible physical traits going on day 3?  You can't really believe that.

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Chemical said:

 

Roquan smith went 21 to he bengals 

We noted that earlier. I was apparently asleep when I read it 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

12 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

Fire McBean!!!   Do you realize they started Nate Peterman in San Diego????

 

...and then again to start 2018. and then had him as the only backup against the Texans. 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

When I saw Scott’s post all I could do was chuckle. Somebody that far gone isn’t even worth your time. 

 

Edmunds was an individual in the middle of the 2nd ranked yardage D in the Nfl and 2nd overall defense in the NFL according to football outsiders DVOA. He EARNED conference defensive rookie of the month to close out the year and was the only player in the NFL with 120 tackles, 2 int, 2FF, and 10 passes defended. 

 

.... but he struggled all year and Scottlaw is quite worried. cool story, Bruh.....Foolishness. 

 

 

 

 

He had a rough year........there were a number of games when he was the worst player on the defense.

 

You can sum up his issues as a lack of instinctive play.

 

There  have been rare cases where guys who struggled at the position early have made big strides but it's not the norm.........typically they hit the ground running.

 

I still like the pick because I think he could be very good edge player if MLB doesn't pan out but it's fair to say he didn't look like a first rounder last year.........and there were LB's picked later who DID.........it's certainly noteworthy.

 

 

 

 

[eball]

2 hours ago, teef said:

 

 

First three rounds of Bills 2018 draft according to @ScottLaw:

 

Allen -- BADOLBILZ seems to like him so I guess I do too.

Edmunds -- running around like a Keystone Kop out there.

Phillips -- did he even play?

 

ScottLaw gonna ScottLaw...

[teef]

4 minutes ago, eball said:

 

First three rounds of Bills 2018 draft according to @ScottLaw:

 

Allen -- BADOLBILZ seems to like him so I guess I do too.

Edmunds -- running around like a Keystone Kop out there.

Phillips -- did he even play?

 

ScottLaw gonna ScottLaw...

i'm going to meet him someday, and it will be glorious.    i'm going to make up a list of things i hate and anger me, so we have something to talk about.

[TC in St. Louis]

I thought Edmunds had a great first year.  He led the team in tackles, made the defensive calls, and shows tremendous speed and hitting ability.  Maybe I'm just a guy watching football and not breaking down every play in slo-mo.  I'm thrilled he's on our team, and I think he's a fixture.  Can't wait to see what happens when Milano, Taron Johnson, the free agent signings, and people like Levi Wallace continue to improve.  

 

I also think Josh is going to be a superstar.  Foster is a stud, Zay will get better, and they'll find Josh some new targets.  Clay will be gone and replaced by a person who runs routes and catches footballs.  

 

Let's go.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I don't think the Bills were interested in Rosen at all, for whatever reason.  I think the same about Mayfield and Jackson.

 

If they couldn't have taken Allen or Darnold I believe they would have traded down and gone after Mason Rudolph.

 

Note that this does NOT represent my personal opinion or ranking of last year's draft class, but rather what I think the Bills would have done based on various things Beane has said.

[RoyBatty is alive]

15 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Edmunds struggled last season.

 

I still have no idea why people have praised his play so much.

True but he did come on in the end, did show flashes and of course we all know how young/raw he is/was.  He was dreadful in a handful of games early on and in mid-season.

[Logic]

57 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think the Bills were interested in Rosen at all, for whatever reason.  I think the same about Mayfield and Jackson.

 

If they couldn't have taken Allen or Darnold I believe they would have traded down and gone after Mason Rudolph.

 

Note that this does NOT represent my personal opinion or ranking of last year's draft class, but rather what I think the Bills would have done based on various things Beane has said.

I agree. Mayfield and Rosen just didn't seem like they had the personality traits that McDermott and Beane were looking for. I will personally always believe that their board was:

1. Darnold
2. Allen
3. Rudolph

[RoyBatty is alive]

13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

In this re-draft they take Jessie Bates because Derwin James is gone and they play the same position. But in reality, the Chargers said after the draft that they were going to take Edmunds at 17 if he was there. 

 

Is that true, we snagged him one ahead.

 

I get Edmunds had some very bad games, esp early n but people should realize when we drafted him he was 19, 19 years old.  What did people expect, Brian Urlacher as a rookie"  Give me a break. There were a few plays where his range and athletic ability were extraordinary, on the one interception and the QB sack where he also tackled the RB in the process.  The guy is just like Allen, an athletic freak that needs a lot of work & experience, both have incredibly high ceilings.

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Is that true, we snagged him one ahead.

 

I get Edmunds had some very bad games, esp early n but people should realize when we drafted him he was 19, 19 years old.  What did people expect, Brian Urlacher as a rookie"  Give me a break. There were a few plays where his range and athletic ability were extraordinary, on the one interception and the QB sack where he also tackled the RB in the process.  The guy is just like Allen, an athletic freak that needs a lot of work & experience, both have incredibly high ceilings.

I tend to think that the Bills somehow knew the Chargers wanted him and that’s why they traded up to Baltimore’s spot. 

[BADOLBILZ]

28 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

True but he did come on in the end, did show flashes and of course we all know how young/raw he is/was.  He was dreadful in a handful of games early on and in mid-season.

 

 

He had a strong game at the end against a Dolphins team with a dead coach walking and one foot on the bus.

 

The week before he was terrible against the Patriots..........so it's not like there was some kind of measurable linear progress.

 

Though it's fun to try to project strong end of season production into the following year...........if you went by that than you'd have thought Tyrod was bound for huge things following his final performances of 2015 and 2016 where he and Watkins sank Revis Island and then set the franchise single game offensive yardage record against the Dolphins.

 

It's fun to go out on a high note but brief flashes at the end rarely indicate anything about the following year. 

 

 

[teef]

11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Keep it coming with the predictions eball. 

 

That Super Bowl prediction was spot on as usual with your takes.?

 

You are setting records on here with the incredibly inaccurate takes. Doing good man.??

Just print out a bunch of my posts and bring them. It clearly angers you. ?

And late. Like I said, he was dreadful against NE in week 16. 

 

The talent is there. Just need a lot more consistency. 

[John from Riverside]

While I agree with Bado that I think Edmunds would an absolute crackerjack out a outside LB

 

I still think he might have a future inside......first year player.....was up and down all season but made plays......young

 

The guy could literally add another 15 pounds of muscule to that frame

[eball]

59 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

 

That Super Bowl prediction was spot on as usual with your takes.?

 

 

What prediction was that?  My tongue-in-cheek post about wanting the Pats*** dynasty to end?

 

You've been outed, dude.  You're a downer, plain and simple.  Carry on.

[formerlyofCtown]

18 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Foster and Wallace in the first round??

 

Wonder where Trapazoid has his No 1 QB pre draft Mason Rudolph going?
 

He was my number 3.  Still think he will be good.

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I tend to think that the Bills somehow knew the Chargers wanted him and that’s why they traded up to Baltimore’s spot. 

They also had him rated much higher than where they took him.

[YoloinOhio]

44 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

He was my number 3.  Still think he will be good.

They also had him rated much higher than where they took him.

Yep I think the Bills didn’t expect him to fall out of the top 15, and when they saw the LAC at 17 and knowing they wanted him too and he likely wouldn’t be there at 22 where they sat, they pulled the trigger. Thanks Tyrod/Browns! 

Edited February 6, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He had a strong game at the end against a Dolphins team with a dead coach walking and one foot on the bus.

 

The week before he was terrible against the Patriots..........so it's not like there was some kind of measurable linear progress.

 

Though it's fun to try to project strong end of season production into the following year...........if you went by that than you'd have thought Tyrod was bound for huge things following his final performances of 2015 and 2016 where he and Watkins sank Revis Island and then set the franchise single game offensive yardage record against the Dolphins.

 

It's fun to go out on a high note but brief flashes at the end rarely indicate anything about the following year. 

 

 

 

I am not going to hold the PAts game against a rookie MLB, as much as I hate to admit it the PAts can isolate and humiliate a young and or rookie QB just like the can a rookie MLB but hey you have your standards and expectations, i have mine.

[Misterbluesky]

23 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Foster and Wallace in the first round??

 

Wonder where Trapazoid has his No 1 QB pre draft Mason Rudolph going?
 

Boom..a few games when Foster actually ran proper routes,caught catchable balls and put numbers up and he becomes a number one flanker????

Bank on it,he'll be no higher than 4th on the flanker depth chart next year,if he is higher than #3,Beane didn't do his job.

This offense needs to load up this spring/summer...I want a team that is a threat to put 30 points on the scoreboard every week.

[Coach Tuesday]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yep I think the Bills didn’t expect him to fall out of the top 15, and when they saw the LAC at 17 and knowing they wanted him too and he likely wouldn’t be there at 22 where they sat, they pulled the trigger. Thanks Tyrod/Browns! 

 

So the Chargers were forced to settle for Derwin James, who as a rookie was probably the best safety in football....

[mead107]

Hindsight ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

I am not going to hold the PAts game against a rookie MLB, as much as I hate to admit it the PAts can isolate and humiliate a young and or rookie QB just like the can a rookie MLB but hey you have your standards and expectations, i have mine.

 

 

Yeah his worst games were pretty well distributed.........like I said.......no real linear improvement........but improvement isn't always like that.    Hopefully a light comes on for him by the start of next season.    McD and Frazier can't really take their defense to a higher level until he stops being a victim..........the MLB needs to be great in this D.

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

So the Chargers were forced to settle for Derwin James, who as a rookie was probably the best safety in football....

Good on LAC  to go BPA there (James also was not expected to drop that far) when they really needed a LB more than a safety. They could have taken Vander Esch who went two picks after. Would have been a decent pick but nowhere near the difference maker Derwin James is for them. 

Edited February 7, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[Ethan in Cleveland]

On 2/5/2019 at 7:19 PM, GreggTX said:

 Wallace and Foster saved that draft along with Teller and T Johnson. It's Edmunds and Allen that worry me. I can't imagine Allen at #3. I can also see Edmunds going on day 2 or even day 3.

Teller was hot garbage at guard and no better than Ducasse. He just got the starts because Ducasse was terrible, expensive, and soon to be gone. But in no way was Teller better or even good.  His pass protection was awful and he really wasnt that good in the run game. 

He probably gets the start if they sign C in FA. But if they decide to go with Bodine and sign a FA guard, my guess is Teller goes back to the bench.

[Bill from NYC]

12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah his worst games were pretty well distributed.........like I said.......no real linear improvement........but improvement isn't always like that.    Hopefully a light comes on for him by the start of next season.    McD and Frazier can't really take their defense to a higher level until he stops being a victim..........the MLB needs to be great in this D.

If Edmunds is more suited to be a pass rusher than a MLB, it occurs to me that if the Bills draft a good MLB, they would in essence be gaining a pass rusher (Edmunds) by doing so.

I don't know of any college MLBs other than Mack Wilson. Mack is a very good player, really solid but imo considerably less talented than Reuben Foster was but without the issues.

[dollars 2 donuts]

Sorry if somebody already covered this, but the writer, Chris Trapasso, also did writing for the Bills on Buffalo Rumblings before coming to CBS...just in case that makes a difference.

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

If Edmunds is more suited to be a pass rusher than a MLB, it occurs to me that if the Bills draft a good MLB, they would in essence be gaining a pass rusher (Edmunds) by doing so.

I don't know of any college MLBs other than Mack Wilson. Mack is a very good player, really solid but imo considerably less talented than Reuben Foster was but without the issues.

 

 

They just need to trade for Luke Kuechly.    His base salary is jumping about $9M this season so maybe the Panthers would be open to moving him.

 

Lorenzo Alexander was onto an important point the other day when discussing whether the Bills should pursue Thomas Davis.........that the Bills need to be able to change their defense to adapt to opponents in the same manner the Patriots do..........or Wade/Cottrell used to do here.......or what Rex was supposed to be able to do.

 

While certainly *possible*.......it's hard to see that happening with any time soon with a MLB who we are just hoping will get to the point where he is always making the routine plays.