1st Ammendment NoMas Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Goff missed throws that could have won the game. He was late on the easy TD to Cooks and was throwing off the dirt half the night. As others said, no pocket presence. The Patriots kept him confused and their D is not that overwhelming. Great game plan but if Goff makes those throws then it's a different ball game. I also thought the decline of Gurley was unexpected. They never schemed to get him in space when the Pats put 6 on the line. Goff was indecisive and off target all night. It was hard to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Considering all the great things said about him, it might be McVay. But I would take McVay over Goff. At worst, McVay is an Andy Reid type. You could do a lot worst than Andy Reid at the Head Coach position. I'm just not a big believer in Goff. Imagine if this Rams team had Nick Foles behind center last night. Hard to imagine they only manage 3 points behind a more experienced QB that doesn't fold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: Goff missed throws that could have won the game. He was late on the easy TD to Cooks and was throwing off the dirt half the night. As others said, no pocket presence. The Patriots kept him confused and their D is not that overwhelming. Great game plan but if Goff makes those throws then it's a different ball game. I also thought the decline of Gurley was unexpected. They never schemed to get him in space when the Pats put 6 on the line. Goff was indecisive and off target all night. It was hard to watch. This. Goff couldn’t even run out of bounds decisively. Let’s not forget their kicker bailing him out for their only 3 points after taking a deer-in-headlights sack. Their kicker also basically won the game in New Orleans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 27 minutes ago, Mango said: That has literally never happened in the Brady era...... I would go the other way. The reason for the futility in the AFCE is because they have to play Brady twice per year. The division hasn’t really been as bad as it seems. I don’t think there are many if any teams that would find success against Brady that often. Hell, the guys SB win percentage is .666 I was making this argument a while back in regards to our post season drought...a good part of the organizational churn that has plagued AFC East teams has been the somewhat desperate and futile efforts to knock off NE. Owners are desperate and so are fans. It is what gets me so ticked off when NE does get the beneficial calls - they don't need the help as you have to play a solid game down to the wire to beat them. Mission #1 for the Bills is to beat NE... it is really that simple. Just having great players is not going to get it done either...McDermott and Daboll are going to have to step it up in the coaching and game planning dept. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 3 hours ago, DCOrange said: I guess it depends on what you think the national opinion of Goff is. It seems to me like a lot of people are coming around to the idea that Goff just isn't good, but maybe that's just the football people that I follow. I think McVay is a very good coach; don't understand the god-like following he has already though. But Goff...I simply don't think he's good. In my opinion, if the Rams are smart, they'll draft another QB and let Goff walk when his rookie deal is up. Barring some serious development from him, I would not want to be the team that gives him his second contract. This. To steal from the late Dennis Green, Goff "is who we thought he was." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Hebert19 said: For me it's a toss up but I'd say mcvay. He has done a decent job but has also blessed with a ton of talent on the team. His in game decisions are questionable. All playoffs he has thrown more than needed because he outsmarts himself. But that's just me. I'd guess if they ran anderson and Gurley every play they could have mustered more than 3 points and their QB wouldnt have gotten killed. Its both. Doesn’t mean they won’t keep getting better, but it’s both. Funny all year I got flamed by people for the following statements: 1. McVay needs to win something before being crowned the next king. 2. Goff isn’t as good as the stats suggest, he doesn’t handle pressure well at all. 3. Defense still matters. 4. Pats demise is over exaggerated and they are still the Pats until proven otherwise. 5. Belichick is a defensive genius. Still can’t believe how many people argued he’s an offensive HC now when they were trying to prove defense is dead. All of that was served up on a platter yesterday for a lot of people. Funny, I seriously doubt that any of them change their mind and probably still dispute all of the above even now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 hours ago, MDH said: It wasn't just this game though, Goff struggled in several games late in the season. I definitely believe their best player on offense is Gurley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Peter King's take this morning, anticipating the OP's very thread: "I think the performance has to be a crushing one for Goff and a humbling one for McVay. I put a lot more of the blame on Goff, because he’s got to make more plays than he did, and he took some sacks he shouldn’t have and just didn’t respond to the New England pressure as the game went on. But I wouldn’t worry much about either man. Goff had some shaky games down the stretch—Bears, Eagles and Patriots most notably. But he’s got the rare gift to forget when he stinks, like a great cornerback. McVay is too smart to be crushed by this. He won’t say it, but he needs his quarterback to be his general on the field and to make enough plays to keep his team in the game. He could have the best game plan he’d ever choreographed Sunday, but it the quarterback can’t execute it and make more plays, it would be for naught." https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/04/super-bowl-53-patriots-rams-nfl-fmia-peter-king/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: Oh no, did someone criticize your Patsie? I'm sorry, seabiscuit. I'll try not to blemish your precious again. Don't be too hard on him, he still hasn't emerged from his shock and disbelief that EJ Manuel is still, somehow, not the starting QB for the Bills... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I agree that neither McVay or Goff has done anything to garner HOF talk. Both are still young so, who knows what they will do in a few years. Only the Shadow knows No Belichick probably has the shadow being watched and his phone is probably wire tapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) I really wish my overrated coach and overrated QB got me to the SB and barely lost to the greatest of all time. SMH. Edited February 4, 2019 by Mark80 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 4 hours ago, Mark92 said: I believe what happened last night in SB 53 was all about the Patriots D and a young QB for the Rams. The Patriots only getting 13 was not a shock. So I wouldn't say either Mcvay or Goff are overated. And a young coach for the Rams, going against the Master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Mango said: That has literally never happened in the Brady era...... I would go the other way. The reason for the futility in the AFCE is because they have to play Brady twice per year. The division hasn’t really been as bad as it seems. I don’t think there are many if any teams that would find success against Brady that often. Hell, the guys SB win percentage is .666 Oh so what about all the other teams the rest of the AFC East get beat by. Silly me I thought maybe it was because we couldnt find QBs. 3 minutes ago, Mark80 said: I really wish my overrated coach and overrated QB got me to the SB and barely lost to the greatest of all time. SMH. I did enjoy watching the Rams D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 I’d like to be overrated and in the Super Bowl. I could settle for that, right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Augie said: I’d like to be overrated and in the Super Bowl. I could settle for that, right now. I hope Smug McPunchyface NEVER returns. Like a 20 year coaching career with no more trips to the Super Bowl. THAT would be cosmic justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I hope Smug McPunchyface NEVER returns. Like a 20 year coaching career with no more trips to the Super Bowl. THAT would be cosmic justice. If he stole your girlfriend...........I’d like to congratulate you on a good run! Hope you made the most of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Just now, Augie said: If he stole your girlfriend...........I’d like to congratulate you on a good run! Hope you made the most of it! Nah. Not about that. All about the fawning worship and glorification. Can not stand that. Also, if Mike Schopp likes you, I'm automatically not going to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 4 hours ago, MDH said: Goff. He plays well when Gurley is carrying the team and he can work off play action. The moment Goff has to try and carry the team he’s not just average, he’s garbage. That said McVay should have his feet held to the fire for the way he used Gurley in the NFC Championship game and the SB. Best back in the NFL and he uses a guy who wasnt on a roster late in the season with instead. Good post, but Gurley is *clearly* injured. I won't be shocked if we find out that he's going to have surgery soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: Nah. Not about that. All about the fawning worship and glorification. Can not stand that. Also, if Mike Schopp likes you, I'm automatically not going to. Well, I’m glad you got over the girlfriend thing already. You can do better than her, anyway. I manage to ignore announcers and general media noise better than most. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Just now, Augie said: Well, I’m glad you got over the girlfriend thing already. You can do better than her, anyway. Preferable to live on the corner of a roof than in a house with a contentious woman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 At this point NEITHER Goff or Mcvay is overrated. They just played in a Superbowl which is something that more then 90% of the NFL's QB's & coaches weren't able to do this year. The fact that they lost the Super Bowl doesn't really tell us much about how good both these guys are. And as Buffalo Bill's fans we should understand this better then most people. IMO it wasn't Gurly's "injury" that messed with the Rams offense but the loss of their outstanding slot receiver Cupp. Since this guy went down it seemed like the Rams O lost their rhythm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: At this point NEITHER Goff or Mcvay is overrated. They just played in a Superbowl which is something that more then 90% of the NFL's QB's & coaches weren't able to do this year. The fact that they lost the Super Bowl doesn't really tell us much about how good both these guys are. And as Buffalo Bill's fans we should understand this better then most people. IMO it wasn't Gurly's "injury" that messed with the Rams offense but the loss of their outstanding slot receiver Cupp. Since this guy went down it seemed like the Rams O lost their rhythm. Rams sucked it up and gave great manly interviews after the game, they'll be back but it's hard to return from the NFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, billsbackto81 said: Difference. When you look like McVay and have a girl like that, you got "game". When you look like Wade Phillips and have a girl like that, you got "$$$$" . I dont think it takes game to get a girl like her with McVays looks, good looking people dont really need game, they have the looks and will end up with someone else with looks. And are you trying to say that Wade couldnt get a girl like her because he is funny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 17 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Preferable to live on the corner of a roof than in a house with a contentious woman. Thanks, that may come in handy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Goff He's a slightly better, although much less athletic, version of Ryan Tannehill. He has the benefit of playing with a better coach in a more QB friendly scheme. He was not good the last 8-10 games this season. Speed him up in the pocket and things get ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 36 minutes ago, Mark80 said: I really wish my overrated coach and overrated QB got me to the SB and barely lost to the greatest of all time. SMH. You dont think the Bill's fans would be running him out of town or furious at that performance yesterday? And the only way they "barely lost the game" is if you only checked the box score. They were easily beat by the Pat's who held a team averaging over 30 points a game to just 3. Goff and their offence struggled to get anything going all game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 4 hours ago, Livinginthepast said: The game last night should have never come down to Goff. Its been obvious that Goff thrives in a system that makes it easier for him. McVey has down a great job setting the stage for his success by surrounding him with talent and creating an offensive scheme that plays to his strengths. Last night McVey just blew it on the playcalling. The Pats blew up the Rams game plan and Goff, left to his own devices was exposed as the so so talent that he is. McVey should have been picking up those Pats blitzes and calling screen after screen then countering with a run. Instead he just froze and stubbornly stuck with a game plan that clearly wasn't working. Add to this the weirdness of the Gurley situation and the Rams offense was completely neutered. I think they should have run more shotgun and spread type sets to help goff with identifying coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: You dont think the Bill's fans would be running him out of town or furious at that performance yesterday? And the only way they "barely lost the game" is if you only checked the box score. They were easily beat by the Pat's who held a team averaging over 30 points a game to just 3. Goff and their offence struggled to get anything going all game. Dude, they were a Brandon Cooks dropped TD pass away from being tied with 4 mins left. Yes, they barely lost the game. Jesus. And no, I don't think that even Bills fans would be running a 33 year old coach who took the team to the SB in his second season or a third year QB who has gotten better every year and took their team the SB. Come on now. Edited February 4, 2019 by Mark80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 39 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Preferable to live on the corner of a roof than in a house with a contentious woman. worth repeating a few times in that book... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 They'll be fine. Super young and made the SB. They just blew it. This current Rams edition isn't built to last and Goff is going to have to do more with less going forward. I'm seeing a sharp decline in 2-3 years unless Goff becomes the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: They'll be fine. Super young and made the SB. They just blew it. This current Rams edition isn't built to last and Goff is going to have to do more with less going forward. I'm seeing a sharp decline in 2-3 years unless Goff becomes the man. i hope they stick around i got my full jollies watching the Seahawks completely self-decintegrate fast.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) Where was everyone with their HOT takes on McVay and Goff prior to last night? One bad game, and now the masses come out of the woodwork with "they suck, and I've known it since the beginning of time". LOL Edited February 4, 2019 by LabattBlue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: They'll be fine. Super young and made the SB. They just blew it. This current Rams edition isn't built to last and Goff is going to have to do more with less going forward. I'm seeing a sharp decline in 2-3 years unless Goff becomes the man. I'd love to see McVay never make it again. And given their cap situation, they might not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Based on a single game performance on the biggest stage? Silly question. The idea that a poor performance in a super bowl somehow negates all the great things they’ve done over the last two seasons is as short sighted as it gets. You can’t achieve the kind of consistent success they’ve had over the last two seasons and say either of them is overrated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 28 minutes ago, dneveu said: I think they should have run more shotgun and spread type sets to help goff with identifying coverage. He appeared to have seriously difficulties seeing what was happening, he missed wide open receivers and threw to double covered ones. I'm not sure if it was nervousness or Goff just isn't that good. The Pats pressure accelerated his confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 McVay. He didn't have his team ready and didn't have a clue once the game started. It's on him to have his players in better position to compete, and he failed miserably... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 38 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Where was everyone with their HOT takes on McVay and Goff prior to last night? Agreed. SDS should just change the name of this site to Two Hot Takes Drive and be done with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 53 minutes ago, Estro said: Goff He's a slightly better, although much less athletic, version of Ryan Tannehill. He has the benefit of playing with a better coach in a more QB friendly scheme. He was not good the last 8-10 games this season. Speed him up in the pocket and things get ugly. Bingo, McVay’s offense has masked many of Goff’s deficiencies. I wouldn’t be shocked if this game becomes the blueprint other teams use to beat the Rams. Imo, it’s not difficult imagining Goff becoming the rare Super Bowl QB who is quickly forgotten. I could see him becoming a below average starter in the future. McVay’s pre-snap communication with Goff has made him most of what he is. The QB’s helmet headset isn’t turned off until 15 seconds remain on the play clock. The Rams do their best to rush to the line, allowing communication of what the defense is doing with both sides actually set. It all just seems like a lot of smoke and mirrors that NFL coaches will eventually expose. That’s when we’ll see what Goff is all about. The Gurley situation will also remain interesting, as no one seems to have legitimate answers as to what is occurring. Regardless, this was as bad of a big game as any young QB could have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Rams should have spent more time prepping on the game instead of grandstanding over turning down a WH invitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Hebert19 said: For me it's a toss up but I'd say mcvay. He has done a decent job but has also blessed with a ton of talent on the team. His in game decisions are questionable. All playoffs he has thrown more than needed because he outsmarts himself. But that's just me. I'd guess if they ran anderson and Gurley every play they could have mustered more than 3 points and their QB wouldnt have gotten killed. Neither. They just got beat by the best HC and best QB of all time. Sometimes you're the pigeon; sometimes you're the statue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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