Bangarang Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) Maybe he doesn’t want to be a coach? Edited January 27, 2019 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 hour ago, MJS said: Anderson would have to want to be a coach. Coaches and players do very different things and have different responsibilities. My guess is he doesn't want to be a coach. He wants to be a player. Playing football is fun. Coaching is a grind. Ehhhhh, I don't know. DA didn't seem to be having a whole lot of fun when he was playing. Just a subjective observation. The OP makes a valid point. DA is tying up a spot that could be used elsewhere. It may be a minor issue, but carrying 3 QB's limits the pool of available ST'ers. It's pretty obvious DA is a playing coach, for all intents and purposes. They must believe he's vital for Allen's development because roster spots are valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Whatever it is about having Anderson in the QB room with him every week as a player, Allen sure seemed to improve a lot once he came aboard. He also has specifically mentioned on multiple occasions how much DA is helping his development. As long as his presence is helping our franchise QB develop, I have no problem with him taking up a roster spot. The continued successful development of our quarterback is more important than, say, a 6th WR who would be inactive most game days anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, gjv001 said: I'm well aware the Bills are a profit-making venture, but money not being an issue, would the team be better off converting Derek Anderson to a coach and using that roster spot on another player? To save $1,030,000? On a team with $90 mill available under the cap, meaning we'd increase our available cap by, what, 1.3%? When he's the best backup? I don't even begin to see it. Edited January 27, 2019 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 43 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: What contact? The coaches can't have contact with Anderson either. Do people think Anderson is free-lancing coming up with his own QB development plan without contact with the Bills coaching staff? Terrible post. The guy has played in the league for over a decade. Has worked with the bills OC for half the year. Has been helping josh since he got here. If you think that anderson doesnt have a clue whats needed i dont know what to tell you. Coaches can give players things to work on. Mcdermott said they have talked to palmer about what they want done. What makes you think they completely ignored the qb they signed to help josh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Doc said: My feeling is they signed him as a player because if he were a coach he'd only be able to have minimal contact with Josh during the off-season. I expect the 2 to get together over the off-season. If not then I don't know why they would sign him as a player. He was signed as a player because he makes way more as a player. As a coach he's not even touching the vets minimum. 1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Why cut him later? We dont need the space and like doc said it will limit his contact with josh. Id rather have someone helping the franchise qb than some guy that might play special teams if theres an injury sitting inactive. If you think Derek Anderson is hanging out with Josh all off season you're naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc said: That’s not what Josh said. Its like some of these posters dont read or watch any football. 58 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: What contact? The coaches can't have contact with Anderson either. Do people think Anderson is free-lancing coming up with his own QB development plan without contact with the Bills coaching staff? Hes kinda been in the league a while, probably knows a few things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 They need Anderson as a player. Seeing him throw passes with a rag arm from behind his walker is the confidence boost Josh needs right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said: https://footballiqscore.com/wonderlic-score-database/derek-anderson This is not coaching material. Anderson has little to nothing to do with Allen's development. You just used the wonderlic as a gauge for the ability to read defenses and go through progressions. Long walk. Short pier. Cheerio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 hours ago, gjv001 said: I'm well aware the Bills are a profit-making venture, but money not being an issue, would the team be better off converting Derek Anderson to a coach and using that roster spot on another player? I think this is an example of fans overplaying the 'mentor' role. It's not the same as a coach and probably not even necessary. What does a 'mentor' do? How much time does he 'mentor' Allen. I think it's mostly BS, if he offers some helpful advice, great, but a coach should have greater responsibility and ability. 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: Maybe he doesn’t want to be a coach? and he may not be a good one either. Being an experienced NFL player doesn't make you a good coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Mueller Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 My guess is the Anderson is being paid mainly to show the kid what a professional quarterback's work habits look like... and to pass along bits of advice during film sessions... at those points in the off season when the rules allow for organized team activities. I also believe that the Bills will sign an UFA quarterback following the draft... which will likely require a decision to be made during final cut downs next September. Also... let's not forget that Anderson spend a great deal of time with Cam Newton during his indoctrination into pro football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 I don't think Anderson has any interest being a coach. Judging from what he was doing when the Bills pulled him off the scrapheap to come to Buffalo he didn't have any interest in actually playing either. Now I can see how he would have had an interest in a 3rd string backup /mentor for Allen job as the Bills probably enticed him with that job description. They probably prefaced it as "easy gig"," we've already got Nate Peterman as backup", you'll never see the field" type stuff. Then when Allen got hurt and Peterman proved to be a disaster, they HAD to put in Anderson. Maybe Anderson felt slightly double crossed? In any case, I doubt he comes back here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaBu Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 People learn by watching (it’s how we all learned our language, etc) and Josh said he learned so much watching DA take over the offense when he was hurt. When he came back he was greatly improved and he credited DA. Derek likely doesn’t want the grind of a coach, lower pay and enjoys the CBA restrictions. Another added factor is the number of years playing adds the the now rather lucrative NFL pension, something he’ll collect on long after his playing days are over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Doc said: My feeling is they signed him as a player because if he were a coach he'd only be able to have minimal contact with Josh during the off-season. I expect the 2 to get together over the off-season. If not then I don't know why they would sign him as a player. could see where half way thru the season Allen gets hurt, so in theory Barkley is now the starter and Anderson the backup. But instead they cut Anderson and sign a new backup, then Anderson joins the coaching staff. Or better yet Anderson to IR due to a hang nail in case there's a rule forbidding a player to become a coach mid-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: You just used the wonderlic as a gauge for the ability to read defenses and go through progressions. Long walk. Short pier. Cheerio Some of the greatest QBs in history only scored in the teens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaBu Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: I don't think Anderson has any interest being a coach. Judging from what he was doing when the Bills pulled him off the scrapheap to come to Buffalo he didn't have any interest in actually playing either. Now I can see how he would have had an interest in a 3rd string backup /mentor for Allen job as the Bills probably enticed him with that job description. They probably prefaced it as "easy gig"," we've already got Nate Peterman as backup", you'll never see the field" type stuff. Then when Allen got hurt and Peterman proved to be a disaster, they HAD to put in Anderson. Maybe Anderson felt slightly double crossed? In any case, I doubt he comes back here. He recently just signed a contract for next year, so he is coming back. He also recently said he still enjoys playing and would do it all again even given the concussion. I don’t think he feels double crossed at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Gugny said: I don't want to put words into anyone else's fingertips .... but it seems to me that all he's saying is that Allen is not actively working with Anderson; in fact, he's working with someone else. I'm sure Anderson did some mentoring/provided guidance or advice during the past season; but that's not coaching. I think there's a lot more to being a coach than there is being a mentor/sounding board. Perhaps Anderson DOES want to pursue a coaching career. I've heard nothing of the sort and, as it looks now, Allen is not getting any coaching from him. Coaching one thing, mentoring another. Agreed. I think their ideal would be make Anderson Assistant QB coach but essentially just let him mentor. The issue with it is on Anderson's side. Coaching is a lot less money for a lot more work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Some of the greatest QBs in history only scored in the teens. A certain Bills Hall of Famer comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Why cut him later? We dont need the space and like doc said it will limit his contact with josh. Id rather have someone helping the franchise qb than some guy that might play special teams if theres an injury sitting inactive. I think you are underrating the value of an extra roster spot. I believe that contact limits are only applicable during the off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Allen is already working with Jordon Palmer and Jim Kelly.,. https://buffalonews.com/2019/01/25/buffalo-bills-jim-kelly-josh-allen-pro-bowl-kyle-williams-one-on-one-coverage-vic-carucci-nfl-football/ What makes anyone think that Anderson.would be a better coach than Culley, and many coaches does Josh need? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, jabu said: He recently just signed a contract for next year, so he is coming back. He also recently said he still enjoys playing and would do it all again even given the concussion. I don’t think he feels double crossed at all. Perhaps that concussion from that Patriots game did some damage to the common sense portion of his brain or wiped his memories . He didn't look in the slightest way at all that he was enjoying any of it as the Pats pummeled him left and right. Financially though as others have said, its much better for him to come back as a player than a coach. I just cannot believe they would allow him near the field. Then again if he has some positive effect on Josh, then great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 I like that he backed up Cam, one of the guys I think Allen has the tools to pattern his game after. If nothing else he’s a camp arm and season prep help. im really not sure what Barkley is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 5 hours ago, batmanfreek said: His salary comes out of the cap currently. Do you think Pegula will pay him what he’s making now out of his own pocket? .....seriously?....McBeane has a staff of 17, made up mostly of former NFL exec level VP's of Personnel & Directors of Pro Player Personnel.......bet that payroll with McBeane approaches $5 mil......and you think paying Anderson close to his $1 mil as a coach wouldn't happen?..... Derek Anderson signed a 1 year, $1,120,000 contract with the Buffalo Bills, including a $90,000 signing bonus, $90,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $1,120,000. In Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmanfreek Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: .....seriously?....McBeane has a staff of 17, made up mostly of former NFL exec level VP's of Personnel & Directors of Pro Player Personnel.......bet that payroll with McBeane approaches $5 mil......and you think paying Anderson close to his $1 mil as a coach wouldn't happen?..... Derek Anderson signed a 1 year, $1,120,000 contract with the Buffalo Bills, including a $90,000 signing bonus, $90,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $1,120,000. In Not if he can do it with salary cap money. Plus it allows him to mentor Allen in the off season without penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I like that he backed up Cam, one of the guys I think Allen has the tools to pattern his game after. If nothing else he’s a camp arm and season prep help. im really not sure what Barkley is. Huh? Barkley is the backup QB. Anderson shouldn't see the field if at all possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Doc said: Huh? Barkley is the backup QB. Anderson shouldn't see the field if at all possible. ......yup....and realistically we're a LONG way off from the opening bell and I can't see McBeane carrying 3 QB's on the active 53 again............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Doc said: It will be Josh and Matt for sure. Anderson is probably gone, at least as a player. Would love to see him stay on as a long term qb coach. He's been good for Josh. It is silly to waste a roster spot and some cap $ on a #3 qb, but for just this year I can deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ......yup....and realistically we're a LONG way off from the opening bell and I can't see McBeane carrying 3 QB's on the active 53 again............ It's possibly they cut him after the 1st game and then make him a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: It's possibly they cut him after the 1st game and then make him a coach. ....good call Doc...look at the contract structure.....would only cost you 180 grand in guarantees.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) With Allen and Barkley between Anderson and the field, I bet Anderson likes the current situation and paycheck. If the two guys in front of him get hurt, the precedent has already been set to retire mid-game. ? . Edited January 27, 2019 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....good call Doc...look at the contract structure.....would only cost you 180 grand in guarantees.......... Actually since he's a vested veteran, they'd be on the hook for his entire salary. That's why I think they'd wait until after the 1st game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 He is an adequate 3rd QB that has been helpful for Allen to develop. That is more than you get from most emergency QBs. If you are down to your 3rd string (as we have seen in the past) you are screwed any ways might as well put his veteran experience to use with helping to mentor Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Doc said: Actually since he's a vested veteran, they'd be on the hook for his entire salary. That's why I think they'd wait until after the 1st game. ...only AFTER week 1 isn't it?........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 42 minutes ago, Doc said: Huh? Barkley is the backup QB. Anderson shouldn't see the field if at all possible. Im not comparing the two. We know what Anderson is and moreover what he is not. On a separate topic, Barkley has had exactly 1 good game out of 1 after being run out of the league. All I’m saying is he’s not a sure thing as #2 going forward in my opinion just yet. How he practices and preps will be the most important attribute. How he runs the scout team, how he contributes with mental reps. If he was good at these things he surely would’ve stuck as a back up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said: A certain Bills Hall of Famer comes to mind. Dan Marino scored a 17 I believe. Jim Kelly and Terry Bradshaw. In comparison to Ryan Fitzpatrick's 48, Gabbert and Drew Henson 42 Nathan Peterman 33 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 I doubt Anderson wants to be a coach. He’d be what, an assistant offensive position coach making way less than a player. What makes you think he’d be okay with the Bills doing that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Watkins90 said: I doubt Anderson wants to be a coach. He’d be what, an assistant offensive position coach making way less than a player. What makes you think he’d be okay with the Bills doing that? ...at least his noodle is safe............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...only AFTER week 1 isn't it?........ Yes. And that’s what I said originally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 11 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: You're right... he hasnt won 9 AFC Championships. … And he's ceratinly no Jordan Palmer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 7 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: Some of the greatest QBs in history only scored in the teens. Which of these went on to become a great coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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