N.Y. Orangeman Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) It is more you don’t draft top 60 players in the top 10. Edited January 27, 2019 by N.Y. Orangeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Some light rumors that Trent Williams might be a cap casualty. He’s still a Top 10 LT. If he becomes available we need to throw $50M at him. Absofrickenlutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Some light rumors that Trent Williams might be a cap casualty. He’s still a Top 10 LT. If he becomes available we need to throw $50M at him. OMG yes. Dawkins to LG and we can run left all day long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: OMG yes. Dawkins to LG and we can run left all day long Holding #73 offense.. 10 yard penalty replay 1st down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 46 minutes ago, CSBill said: Not all the draftable o-lineman were in the game yesterday, but from what I saw, if the idea is to get the best player available (in o-linemen), then draft Garrett Bradbury in the first round! He was a wall, drove people backward, he was by far the best O-lineman on the field. I know, "you don't draft centers" with a 9th pick, said by the same people who say "you don't draft guards" that high. Check out what the Colts did last year. Drafting for need would be to take a Tackle, drafting the BPA, would be taking Bradbury, there was no one close to him. Take him, and draft a worthy guard or tackle in the 2nd. The Bills have to build the line! Without it, you're just spinning your wheels. And one other thought, I think every possible Free Agent has been mentioned; understand, almost every team is looking to upgrade their line. The idea the Bills are just going to sign who they want the day it opens is silly. As someone said above, the quality of players you'll find in FA are Bodine-like. Guys like Mills and Miller will be signed by someone, and probably for pretty decent pay increases. Going the FA route is simply shuffling the chairs on the deck of the Titanic. Build the line through the draft!!!!!! And start with Bradbury!!!! Bradbury is good. #9 pick good no way. I would bet he goes somewhere around 50. Theres got to be a reason why he hasn’t been talked about as a 1st round pick. I haven’t seen enough game film on him or know his past. But he was solid. I’d take him with our 2nd pick no problem. I just think we are gonna grab the best available WR with our 41st pick, who may just be BPA at 41 due to the depth of quality WRs. Right now im Dalton Risner Round 1 Hakeem Butler Round 2 But FA will change all that 2 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Some light rumors that Trent Williams might be a cap casualty. He’s still a Top 10 LT. If he becomes available we need to throw $50M at him. That would be a 4 yr deal at $50M. Roughly $12.5M per being Massie just got $10M per. Closer to $60M per is your #. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Holding #73 offense.. 10 yard penalty replay 1st down Should we really be surprised that a 2nd year tackle regressed when the perennial pro bowl guard playing next to him left? Regardless, I've always felt that Dawkins was a decent tackle prospect and outstanding guard prospect, so if I can get a pro bowl LT and fill 2 needs I'm doing it all day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 16 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Massie re-signed for a little over 8 million per season. Daryl Williams will probably command that or even slightly more. Coming off that injury I'm not sure he's going to get that. We'll see. My hope would be for the Bills to find a vet Center and then make some moves on the board to set themselves up for Risner or Taylor in rd 1 and I'll need to do some research for round 2/3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 16 hours ago, NewEra said: Starting to think we should sign Williams and Trent Brown, move Dawkins to guard and draft the best center possible. Paradies has been my target, but looking at his age and his injuries+ the $ he’ll command, I don’t think he’s our best option. There will be some good C talent available in round 2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 I'm still hoping Paradis is a legit target for OBD. I like having a strong center you can place with Allen for 4-5 years to help with identifying blitzes, blocking schemes etc. If T. Williams comes to market, going after Paradis doesn't automatically mean they couldn't be in play for both. There' so little invested in the line at this point, paying two top-10 guys at their respective positions isn't a bad allocation of cap IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 17 hours ago, NewEra said: Starting to think we should sign Williams and Trent Brown, move Dawkins to guard and draft the best center possible. Paradies has been my target, but looking at his age and his injuries+ the $ he’ll command, I don’t think he’s our best option. I would love this but cant see McBeane spending much in free agency. We will be lucky to get one of these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 8 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I doubt Paradis leaves the Broncos but I don't think I'd be on board with a rookie C starting for my 2nd year QB, the C position is like the QB of the OL, I'd be fine with Bodine and drafting the best C possible. Maybe they move Dawkins to G, I don't forsee that happening only because there are like 3 other teams including the Jets who have close or better cap space than us. If I had to guess I'd say we keep Dawkins at LT, sign C Travis Swanson, LG Quinton Spain and RT Darryl Williams, keep Teller at RG also draft a C in the the 2nd or 3rd round, possibly resign Mills/Groy as adequate depth but that's just my opinion. There's nothing wrong with that scenario. It's a significant bump up in talent IMO.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 There are going to be a lot of suitors for the top OL'man in FA. I'd like to get James for RT and Paradis for C, but we also have to be able to sell them on Buffalo. Hopefully Beane and McDermott work their magic this offseason. If we could cover two of these positions in FA it would free up a lot of options draft wise imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 22 hours ago, NewEra said: Starting to think we should sign Williams and Trent Brown, move Dawkins to guard and draft the best center possible. Paradies has been my target, but looking at his age and his injuries+ the $ he’ll command, I don’t think he’s our best option. Trent Brown didn't much with the 49ers so I'd be hesitant. Williams and Ju'wuan James are the two UFA OTs I like best this off-season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) Brown was great his 2nd year, in a rut his 3rd year and pretty dominant this year. He stifled Jerry in both games which was quite a feat this season. His size, arm length and feet are just unfair. He may not be the safest pickup but he has the highest upside of any tackle available in the draft and free agency. Edited January 27, 2019 by NewEra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Brown was great his 2nd year, in a rut his 3rd year and pretty dominant this year. He stifled Jerry in both games which was quite a feat this season. His size, arm length and feet are just unfair. He may not be the safest pickup but he has the highest upside of any tackle available in the draft and free agency. I'd be all about it. We know the Pats won't cough up big bucks. This is a viable option for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 51 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: I'd be all about it. We know the Pats won't cough up big bucks. This is a viable option for sure. I don't know who else they have to sign but they gave big money to Hightower and Gilmore. I would think they'd try to sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 23 hours ago, NewEra said: Draft one. What about the other? You’re ok with keeping Dawkins at tackle? I just can’t see why anyone would want him protecting our franchises blindside. He was awful last season. I’m sure having bums playing next to him contributed to his regression but he didn’t earn another season as our starting LT imo. Not sure he can even play RT. I think he could be an upper tier guard and that’s the route I would take. I’m sure he’d be bitter but it’s his fault. He should’ve played better I disagree. It's his job for the next season, I'll bet. There is no reason to give up on him. The whole line played atrociously and that is a unit that requires a ton of teamwork. If the rest of the line gets better, he'll get better too. Plus, he's still very young and still developing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, White Linen said: I don't know who else they have to sign but they gave big money to Hightower and Gilmore. I would think they'd try to sign him. I'm pretty sure we could outbid them if Beane has him targeted. The Pats will set a number and not go a penny higher. Then the question becomes whether he'd take less money to stay in NE. He's all about the culture or whatever they call their process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 I’m simply happy with the thought in this thread. Build trenches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 34 minutes ago, MJS said: I disagree. It's his job for the next season, I'll bet. There is no reason to give up on him. The whole line played atrociously and that is a unit that requires a ton of teamwork. If the rest of the line gets better, he'll get better too. Plus, he's still very young and still developing. I can understand why those would like to make him our LT of the future, I just think he’d be better at guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 I would be very worried about signing anyone from the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 5:06 PM, NewEra said: Yeah pretty much. We need at least 3 new starters imo. Dawkins and teller are the only guys that should have a chance to start next year. At least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 A few posters, early on, were raving about Glowinski. Many others have jumped on board. That doesn't necessarily means he's a gold strike. I'd rather leave that up to the pros to sort through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 4:58 PM, NewEra said: Draft one. What about the other? You’re ok with keeping Dawkins at tackle? I just can’t see why anyone would want him protecting our franchises blindside. He was awful last season. I’m sure having bums playing next to him contributed to his regression but he didn’t earn another season as our starting LT imo. Not sure he can even play RT. I think he could be an upper tier guard and that’s the route I would take. I’m sure he’d be bitter but it’s his fault. He should’ve played better Dawkins admitted to not giving his all- real nice seeing his job is to protect the blindside of our rook. He better get his stuff straight this year- regardless we need an upgrade at LT, LG, C, RG- not an easy task however grab 2 in FA 2 in the draft ?♂️ 11 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said: I would love this but cant see McBeane spending much in free agency. We will be lucky to get one of these guys. McBeane will absolutely spend- just not foolishly. You spend while you have a franchise qb (if he is) on a rookie deal. The bills have 91 mil in cap space- I expect it to he higher after some more fat is trimme i.e, Clay.... I can see us spending 65-70 mil and. Leaving 15-20 mil for rookie deals and a little emergency dough. Remember we have 10 picks and may end up having more. Not all will make the team but bank on at least 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 5:26 PM, Aussie Joe said: I have been saying this for some time.. Some team is going to pay Mills in March.. People thinking he is going to remain here for backup money are delusional.. Seantrel Henderson just re-upped at $4.5M for the Texans, and his glass body allows him to play about 3 games a year At least Mills never gets hurt.. The Bills haven’t been able to replace Mills for three years. I agree with your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Grab Paradise and best possible FA LG. Draft LT. Dawkins rt, teller rg Paradise c, Vet lg, rookie lt and this offense is already 1 million percent better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said: Grab Paradise and best possible FA LG. Draft LT. Dawkins rt, teller rg Paradise c, Vet lg, rookie lt and this offense is already 1 million percent better. Para para paradise. Paradise Island i think its Paradis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) On 1/27/2019 at 5:51 AM, 1ZAYDAY1 said: Bradbury is good. #9 pick good no way. I would bet he goes somewhere around 50. Theres got to be a reason why he hasn’t been talked about as a 1st round pick. I haven’t seen enough game film on him or know his past. But he was solid. I’d take him with our 2nd pick no problem. I just think we are gonna grab the best available WR with our 41st pick, who may just be BPA at 41 due to the depth of quality WRs. Right now im Dalton Risner Round 1 Hakeem Butler Round 2 But FA will change all that That would be a 4 yr deal at $50M. Roughly $12.5M per being Massie just got $10M per. Closer to $60M per is your #. The bold above is my hope as well - but always need the FA caveat. While unlikely, we could end up losing out on bidding wars for every OL guy, for what it's worth. But Risner is the type of OL pick that could immediately impact our OL regardless of how FA pans out for us. I agree, I like him best at Center as well, but he would be able to contribute Day 1 at RT as well. I've always thought of Dawkins as a Guard, and while he showed great skill at LT the first year, he admitted to taking off this past year and didn't like that he did. The guy plays with an edge, and is very mobile, lending himself well to the pulling guard role in the run game. I'd like to give Teller his day, but wouldn't mind us adding Guard depth either in FA or in the draft - but Dawkins/Teller bookending Risner or another Center would be just fine. The only piece to this puzzle is who would we get to fill in at LT, but if we were to land a stout LT guy, even Trent Williams if the rumors prove true, this should easily become the consideration. It's also likely that Risner doesn't get graded at a value commensurate with #9, so my hope would also imply a trade back making the value match more possible. Risner likely won't make it to the 3rd if I were a betting man. If we stay at 9, Beane would likely go BPA per his board value and that might end up being DL/defense. Edited January 28, 2019 by ctk232 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 17 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: The Bills haven’t been able to replace Mills for three years. I agree with your post. Remember the contract Pears got a few years back? He was terrible and he got paid. There is a massive lack of OL talent in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 10:31 PM, Straight Hucklebuck said: The Bills haven’t been able to replace Mills for three years. I agree with your post. Its not about replacing Mills it was about fixing the left hand side of the line FIRST! Dawkins comes in.. then injuries and more injuries. Also people say They wont let go Paradis.. you should go to there forums.. they are EXPECTING to loose him.. they cant afford his contract. Bring in Paradis, Get a solid Vet Guard Get Tackle in draft. a new T, G, C erases lots of starters we had last year. If I were to gamble, I would say Dawkins starts LT, Vet LG, Paradis C, Teller RG, Rookie RT. I also truly think they nail a T in round one.. one of the top 3 Tackles replaces what we have. The talent on the interior OL is there for the FA. We had cap issues and other places of need that STOPPED us from improving Mills. How many other teams do you think Mills starts for.. Seriously... come on.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 4:46 PM, White Linen said: I don't know who else they have to sign but they gave big money to Hightower and Gilmore. I would think they'd try to sign him. Hopefully they feel good about their LT they drafted in the first round from Georgia coming back from IR to let Brown hit free agency..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMode54 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I'm starting to think maybe they move Dion to RT and draft a LT. get a C and G in FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 1:52 PM, LSHMEAB said: I'd be all about it. We know the Pats won't cough up big bucks. This is a viable option for sure. On 1/27/2019 at 2:46 PM, White Linen said: I don't know who else they have to sign but they gave big money to Hightower and Gilmore. I would think they'd try to sign him. Interesting idea. I just checked the pats* FA for this year. They got 20 million as of now with only 48 signed for 2019. Players going to FA include both Kicker and Punter. Trey Flowers who will get big bucks. Malcom Brown, Chris Hogan, Patterson and Dorsett (all pretty much starters). Trenton Brown could be in play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Interesting idea. I just checked the pats* FA for this year. They got 20 million as of now with only 48 signed for 2019. Players going to FA include both Kicker and Punter. Trey Flowers who will get big bucks. Malcom Brown, Chris Hogan, Patterson and Dorsett (all pretty much starters). Trenton Brown could be in play. Big time. I understand people are looking at several FA's lineman, but Brown is a guy who's very likely to be in play. Many of the other guys will re-sign with their current teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 3:50 PM, LSHMEAB said: whatever they call their process. they call it winning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: they call it winning "They" call it the Patriot Way but I've never once heard Belichick murmur any such thing. I highly doubt he's telling Sony Michel to run the ball the "Patriot Way" or Trey Flowers to rush the passer the "Patriot Way." You know you've arrived when others have to come up with a name for the way you do things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 There may have been Juan reason Dawkins regressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 do they ever talk about natural left tackles anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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