One Buffalo Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 A good read, looking back on how Daboll made adjustments, adding in air raid concepts that gives a lot to look forward to in 2019. An excerpt Quote I’m not saying the Bills went full air raid because they didn’t. They sprinkled in concepts like mesh (the almighty), all curls, all verticals, and quick screens to receivers that are all building blocks of the air raid. By the way, it really worked. Integrating these concepts turned one of college footballs least accurate passers (Allen) into a legit downfield thrower of the ball. Now, I won’t assume every empty set drop back incorporated air raid principles, but this stat was too difficult to ignore. Out of 65 possible dropbacks in 2018 from an empty set, Allen attempted 59 throws. Out of those 59 throws, Allen was on target (these are catchable attempts) 43 times. That means with drops or breakups by the defense included, Allen was on target 72-percent of the time for 429 yards, two touchdowns and two interceptions. Now he only completed 31 of those throws for roughly 52-percent completion, but the on-target number struck me as a huge factor or reason to think Allen is capable of being a more accurate passer than he’s been portrayed. All we needed was a little context into why Allen struggled as much as he did in college and this makes a lot of sense. 8 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) Thanks for posting this. A lot of people rolled their eyes when Daboll was hired. Me? I was excited. I felt that his recent experience in the college game -- not to mention his added years being a part of New England's offense -- would mean modern passing concepts would FINALLY be coming to Buffalo, NY. Lo and behold, that's exactly what happened. The Bills incorporated more modern passing concepts last season than I've seen...well...maybe ever. It was refreshing and encouraging. For those that say McDermott prefers to win 13-10 defensive struggles, I disagree. And I think that the team taking a big-upside guy like Allen and pairing him with a creative mind like Daboll -- who, as the article pointed out, was running some cutting edge stuff by the end of the year -- is proof. McDermott wants to have a stifling defense, yes, but I think he also wants to score a ton of points. Couldn't be more excited about the 2019 season. Edited January 22, 2019 by Logic 11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I’m more excited for a Bills season than I have been in 15+ years. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Great share! Some here might be worried this is just more Bills PR propaganda to sell hype over results, but I prefer to view it through the prism of we won 3-4 more games last year precisely because of Allen’s progress made and Daboll figuring out what would work best with his skillset. Really, would any of you have been shocked if we walked out of last season 3-13 the way things were going before Allen came back from injury? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I think it's very important we made it through the offense crazed head coach hiring without losing Daboll. Some continuity with coaches and getting Allen some real support and the sky might be the limit. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Logic said: Thanks for posting this. A lot of people rolled their eyes when Daboll was hired. Me? I was excited. I felt that his recent experience in the college game -- not to mention his added years being a part of New England's offense -- would mean modern passing concepts would FINALLY be coming to Buffalo, NY. Lo and behold, that's exactly what happened. The Bills incorporated more modern passing concepts less season than I've seen...well...maybe ever. It was refreshing and encouraging.For those that say McDermott prefers to win 13-10 defensive struggles, I disagree. And I think that the team taking a big-upside guy like Allen and pairing him with a creative mind like Daboll -- who, as the article pointed out, was running some cutting edge stuff by the end of the year -- is proof. McDermott wants to have a stifling defense, yes, but I think he also wants to score a ton of points. Couldn't be more excited about the 2019 season. I disagree too and I believe it's evident that he doesn't want to win that way because we traded up for a QB with boom potential. You want your offense to take the next step which is why we gave up draft capital for that one guy. Edited January 22, 2019 by Royale with Cheese 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commish Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Great share! Some here might be worried this is just more Bills PR propaganda to sell hype over results, but I prefer to view it through the prism of we won 3-4 more games last year precisely because of Allen’s progress made and Daboll figuring out what would work best with his skillset. Really, would any of you have been shocked if we walked out of last season 3-13 the way things were going before Allen came back from injury? Nate Geary does not work for the Bills PR dept., he works for WGR, and he was quite critical of Allen pre-draft, post-draft, and early season. Sounds more like a convert - there are lot fewer people still dug into the Allen-sucks foxhole...Schopp, looking at you. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 27 minutes ago, One Buffalo said: A good read, looking back on how Daboll made adjustments, adding in air raid concepts that gives a lot to look forward to in 2019. Integrating these concepts turned one of college footballs least accurate passers (Allen) into a legit downfield thrower of the ball. Now, I won’t assume every empty set drop back incorporated air raid principles, but this stat was too difficult to ignore. Out of 65 possible dropbacks in 2018 from an empty set, Allen attempted 59 throws. Out of those 59 throws, Allen was on target (these are catchable attempts) 43 times. That means with drops or breakups by the defense included, Allen was on target 72-percent of the time for 429 yards, two touchdowns and two interceptions. FAKE NEWS Out of those 59 throws, Allen was on target 43 times. that sure does look a lot better than the 52.8% people keep ragging about 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: I’m more excited for a Bills season than I have been in 15+ years. These next 4 months will be very interesting, as we see what Beane does to bring in the all important new pieces to the puzzle. With the right additions on the OL and WR/TE, we could really see some fireworks next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickedface Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 a mike leach reference. WHERES THE TORTILLA QUOTE!?!?!?!?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 31 minutes ago, One Buffalo said: Now he only completed 31 of those throws for roughly 52-percent completion, So here's the next line of article. And this is 52.5% completion percentage. Now granted he is throwing downfield more, had a rag tag group of receivers and was on the move given poor blocking - but the completion rate needs to increase, the drops must stop and his 3.33% INT rate must drop too for offense to take next step. Getting some Guards and a C who can pull will enable the RB or bubble screen game - which was non-existent last year. I have to believe this is part of OBDs strategy for keeping Shady. Lots of easy yards and increase in completion percentage for Josh by stressing getting Shady in space. And drafting a bigger X receiver (or using the ex-CFLer) to run slants will also help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 40 minutes ago, Logic said: Thanks for posting this. A lot of people rolled their eyes when Daboll was hired. Me? I was excited. I felt that his recent experience in the college game -- not to mention his added years being a part of New England's offense -- would mean modern passing concepts would FINALLY be coming to Buffalo, NY. Lo and behold, that's exactly what happened. The Bills incorporated more modern passing concepts last season than I've seen...well...maybe ever. It was refreshing and encouraging. For those that say McDermott prefers to win 13-10 defensive struggles, I disagree. And I think that the team taking a big-upside guy like Allen and pairing him with a creative mind like Daboll -- who, as the article pointed out, was running some cutting edge stuff by the end of the year -- is proof. McDermott wants to have a stifling defense, yes, but I think he also wants to score a ton of points. Couldn't be more excited about the 2019 season. People want to compare McD to Jauron because he has a tendency to get conservative. But with our offense vs. defense rosters this year, conservative was the only way to win. It was the rational choice during the transition year. I agree they are building a very non-Jauron offense and we are in for a fun ride. Josh was not drafted to be part of a conservative offense. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 35 minutes ago, Roch-A-Bill said: Nate Geary does not work for the Bills PR dept., he works for WGR, and he was quite critical of Allen pre-draft, post-draft, and early season. Sounds more like a convert - there are lot fewer people still dug into the Allen-sucks foxhole...Schopp, looking at you. That won't happen until one of his favored guests tells him what to think. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 54 minutes ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said: People want to compare McD to Jauron because he has a tendency to get conservative. But with our offense vs. defense rosters this year, conservative was the only way to win. It was the rational choice during the transition year. I agree they are building a very non-Jauron offense and we are in for a fun ride. Josh was not drafted to be part of a conservative offense. Yeah. People completely overlook/ignore the fact that if McDermott wanted to be conservative and win low scoring games, he would have just kept Tyrod Taylor and possibly also Rick Dennison around. The fact that they jettisoned both the OC and QB right after they made the playoffs with them told me all I need to know about what McDermott wants out of his offense. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Great share! Some here might be worried this is just more Bills PR propaganda to sell hype over results, but I prefer to view it through the prism of we won 3-4 more games last year precisely because of Allen’s progress made and Daboll figuring out what would work best with his skillset. Really, would any of you have been shocked if we walked out of last season 3-13 the way things were going before Allen came back from injury? I don't think you heard Geary's opinion of Allen before or after the draft....he was very critical of him along with pretty much all the WGR guys. WGR isn't ran by the Bills. These guys aren't shy from criticizing moves OBD makes.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 15 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I don't think you heard Geary's opinion of Allen before or after the draft....he was very critical of him along with pretty much all the WGR guys. WGR isn't ran by the Bills. These guys aren't shy from criticizing moves OBD makes.... Appreciate the distinction--and glad to see another convert. Allen's been so fun to watch develop and surprise people along the way, I hope my expectations won't be too unrealistic for this coming season (at least a WC playoff win). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Appreciate the distinction--and glad to see another convert. Allen's been so fun to watch develop and surprise people along the way, I hope my expectations won't be too unrealistic for this coming season (at least a WC playoff win). WC win is my expectation as well. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Continuity of coaching Another year in the system/natural progression Better weapons Better OL play I'm expecting a big jump from Josh Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Sweet more adjusted completion percentage fantasy stats. What else would I expect from the massively curved grades and participation trophy generation. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: I think it's very important we made it through the offense crazed head coach hiring without losing Daboll. Yeah. We really dodged a bullet. Can't believe he didn't even get an interview after the Copperfit guys seal of approval. It would be unfair to judge Daboll based on 2018, but much like the rest of the staff, 2019 is the year where results trump excuses. Edited January 22, 2019 by LSHMEAB 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Daboll still Needs to cut down on the illegal procedure penalties ... way too many illegal formation penalties needs to read the rulebook again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 A little wrinkle they added to the slant concept is the back-shoulder throw on that pattern (maybe something out of the Brady book). Allen and Zay did it three times in the final Miami game. 1 for a TD, 1 for a first down, and one incomplete. If they time it right and the throw is accurate, it's really effective in catching the DB out of position. It may be an option route. Idk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 3 hours ago, One Buffalo said: Out of 65 possible dropbacks in 2018 from an empty set, Allen attempted 59 throws. Out of those 59 throws, Allen was on target (these are catchable attempts) 43 times. That means with drops or breakups by the defense included, Allen was on target 72-percent of the time for 429 yards, two touchdowns and two interceptions. Now he only completed 31 of those throws for roughly 52-percent completion, but the on-target number struck me as a huge factor or reason to think Allen is capable of being a more accurate passer than he’s been portrayed. All we needed was a little context into why Allen struggled as much as he did in college and this makes a lot of sense. Here's the context in a nutshell: It takes two people to make a completion. All the QB can do is get it there, and as the above shows, he did that 72% of the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) Meanwhile, the Patriots have quietly started beating people with their power running game and passes to halfbacks. Edited January 22, 2019 by Mark80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 hours ago, kickedface said: a mike leach reference. WHERES THE TORTILLA QUOTE!?!?!?!?!?!?! Where's The Senator!? I figured a Leach reference would draw him out like a moth to the flames... ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 3 hours ago, One Buffalo said: These next 4 months will be very interesting, as we see what Beane does to bring in the all important new pieces to the puzzle. With the right additions on the OL and WR/TE, we could really see some fireworks next year. He has to go big on offense this spring..it's a must,not just a need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: Daboll still Needs to cut down on the illegal procedure penalties ... way too many illegal formation penalties needs to read the rulebook again ? Maybe our more talented replacements will also be smarter and more disciplined??? . Edited January 22, 2019 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Augie said: Maybe our more talented replacements will also be smarter and more disciplined??? . We led the league by a good amount in that penalty category need to get it cleaned up 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Logic said: Thanks for posting this. A lot of people rolled their eyes when Daboll was hired. Me? I was excited. I felt that his recent experience in the college game -- not to mention his added years being a part of New England's offense -- would mean modern passing concepts would FINALLY be coming to Buffalo, NY. Lo and behold, that's exactly what happened. The Bills incorporated more modern passing concepts last season than I've seen...well...maybe ever. It was refreshing and encouraging.For those that say McDermott prefers to win 13-10 defensive struggles, I disagree. And I think that the team taking a big-upside guy like Allen and pairing him with a creative mind like Daboll -- who, as the article pointed out, was running some cutting edge stuff by the end of the year -- is proof. McDermott wants to have a stifling defense, yes, but I think he also wants to score a ton of points. Couldn't be more excited about the 2019 season. Per the bold text, can’t agree more. Nobody knows better than a HC who made his name on the D side of the ball how much easier it is to play defense and dictate more outcomes when you have big leads in the 4th quarters of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: We led the league by a good amount in that penalty category need to get it cleaned up We had very little margin for error if we did everything right. No room to be shooting yourself in the foot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: It would be unfair to judge Daboll based on 2018, but much like the rest of the staff, 2019 is the year where results trump excuses. cant argue with this. they need to at least be "in the hunt" in December. my personal expectations are a WC game, then again see my avatar … ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 46 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: We led the league by a good amount in that penalty category need to get it cleaned up We also had the least experienced crews that threw the most flags. ^ this was reported somewhere here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Mark80 said: Meanwhile, the Patriots have quietly started beating people with their power running game and passes to halfbacks. Hopefully Wade can stop em, I think the Rams D will be ready! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: I’m more excited for a Bills season than I have been in 15+ years. We say this every year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) I certainly hope this is the case. I think for the Bills to ever rise from the ashes we need a really good offense. If we try to play close and win at the end, we are susceptible to those mysterious flags and call. If we're far enough ahead that can't happen. However I 'll believe it when we have a good offense. Let's not forget that Coach McDermott inherited a offense that was #10 in scoring in 2016. With the same QB and offensive line and RB he managed to drop that to 22nd. This year we were also 22nd. OK, bad salary cap, Wood and Richie, rookie QB blah blah blah. We'll see. Edited January 22, 2019 by reddogblitz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I disagree too and I believe it's evident that he doesn't want to win that way because we traded up for a QB with boom potential. You want your offense to take the next step which is why we gave up draft capital for that one guy. "Boom" like "boom or bust?" Or "boom" like, a cannon? 1 minute ago, Circlethewagon8404 said: We say this every year. No. Jay doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 5 hours ago, freddyjj said: So here's the next line of article. And this is 52.5% completion percentage. Now granted he is throwing downfield more, had a rag tag group of receivers and was on the move given poor blocking - but the completion rate needs to increase, the drops must stop and his 3.33% INT rate must drop too for offense to take next step. Getting some Guards and a C who can pull will enable the RB or bubble screen game - which was non-existent last year. I have to believe this is part of OBDs strategy for keeping Shady. Lots of easy yards and increase in completion percentage for Josh by stressing getting Shady in space. And drafting a bigger X receiver (or using the ex-CFLer) to run slants will also help. Allen needs to work on his short range passing more for bubble screens to be effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I was friends with Nate in high school. Pretty cool seeing him succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 44 minutes ago, BringBackFlutie said: "Boom" like "boom or bust?" Or "boom" like, a cannon? Boom or bust. They’re taking a chance and rolling the dice...high risk high reward. If they wanted to win 13-10 then they would have kept Tyrod and put all money into the defense. They didn’t, they want more from the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 6 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: I think it's very important we made it through the offense crazed head coach hiring without losing Daboll. Some continuity with coaches and getting Allen some real support and the sky might be the limit. Get him line help, a ram it between the tackles RB, a TE, and a top WR and were in business- not an easy feat but we have cap and picks to get some good pieces. 2 hours ago, Augie said: Maybe our more talented replacements will also be smarter and more disciplined??? . Ka Pow- we had some boneheads out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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