YoloinOhio Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said: No. If he's the best man for the job, he's the best man for the job. But they're a first time HC and a first time GM. It's a really bad look to consistently be reaching out to your former team for everything. They obviously don't care. If it works, it works. But when it doesn't (KB?), they look like they don't know what they're doing. Still haven’t checked those notes eh.... keep digging 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 People are being negative to just be negative at this point LOL! ST's more than anything is about attitude and energy. This guy has both, a long playing career, young and thinks young as he's into analytics. Who were you guys expecting to hire? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Honestly with all the rule changes, it’s basically impossible to be super innovative on STs. Just don’t be awful. I will say teams are drafting punters and kickers more than ever so that might be something to keep an eye on. Sucks to spend a draft pick on that but Seattle drafted a pro bowl P who really helped their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 It will not be hard to improve the special teams from last year. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 21 minutes ago, McBean said: He’s from Carolina. It’s over. Let the fat lady sing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
End The Drought Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: The Carolina nonsense is getting nauseating. Expand your horizons. This is how coaching trees work chief. The Panthers were Super Bowl contenders in 2016. Not sure how hiring a young coach who happens to be a former special teams pro bowler could be a bad thing. Also did you happen to watch any bills games this year? Just about any ST coach would be an upgrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Still haven’t checked those notes eh.... keep digging Specifically assistant coaches, correct. They haven't and I shouldn't have specified coaches. But overall with this team - you can't argue that there's in an inordinate amount of holes in Buffalo that seem to get filled by the Carolina Panthers pipeline. Even the national media picks up on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Sounds like he will be a good hire. I like that he's young, up and coming and open to new ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, wppete said: Like I was saying we will end up with the scraps after everyone else had the experience hires. Wild, do you know the complete list of interviewees? Do you know what offers we made? Do you know the internal decisions that were made? Because if you don't, there is no plausible way you can infer that they were just "waiting" around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, End The Drought said: This is how coaching trees work chief. The Panthers were Super Bowl contenders in 2016. Not sure how hiring a young coach who happens to be a former special teams pro bowler could be a bad thing. Also did you happen to watch any bills games this year? Just about any ST coach would be an upgrade We were hiring an assistant ST coach which means that it would be a promotion for a coach. This means we could have looked at any Assistant ST coach out there. I find it hard to believe, that the best assistant ST coach in the whole league just happened to be in Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Specifically assistant coaches, correct. They haven't and I shouldn't have specified coaches. But overall with this team - you can't argue that there's in an inordinate amount of holes in Buffalo that seem to get filled by the Carolina Panthers pipeline. Even the national media picks up on it. Define “inordinate.” No FO members either. Dan Morgan played there but was not in the FO. He came from the Seahawks. And this is a thread about a coaching hire so makes zero sense to judge it based on that fact they signed some players from there. Commonplace stuff for any team with familiarity of players and system/scheme/culture. They also cut some from there. Own your uninformed take, please. Edited January 15, 2019 by YoloinOhio 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meazy26 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, Ittakestime said: We were hiring an assistant ST coach which means that it would be a promotion for a coach. This means we could have looked at any Assistant ST coach out there. I find it hard to believe, that the best assistant ST coach in the whole league just happened to be in Carolina. All is well. His left toe is probably better than Crossman. We’ve upgraded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said: Well he sure seems likeable in this picture. I mean, look at that smile. There's a guy who loves his job. Haha that is Chase Blackburn the special teams coordinator for the Panthers. There is a picture of Farwell later in the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Not sure how anyone could read that article and be less than excited for this hire - young guy, respected by the player, wants perfection from himself as well as his players. Guessing though that many didn't read the article (or past the word Carolina), give it a try TBD, you might like what you see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Wasn't he only with Carolina after Beane/McD left? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Does anyone have facts why this is a bad hire? I do not know if this is good or bad. But how people can know an assistant coaches strengths and weaknesses is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Sweeeeeeet Carolina! BUP BUP BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Define “inordinate.” No FO members either. Dan Morgan played there but was not in the FO. And this is a thread about a coaching hire so makes zero sense to judge it based on that fact they signed some players from there. They also cut some from there. Own your uninformed take, please. I owned the 'coaches' part in the last post, "slappy". Not sure what else you want. Or why you're singling me out when i'm far from the only person here (or in the media) pointing out that the Carolina/Ron Rivera connection gets reached out to often. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/15/heath-farwell-headed-to-bills-as-special-teams-coach/ In the past few years, moves from the Panthers to the Bills have become a frequent occurrence for players, coaches and executives and it appears the pipeline remains open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: We were hiring an assistant ST coach which means that it would be a promotion for a coach. This means we could have looked at any Assistant ST coach out there. I find it hard to believe, that the best assistant ST coach in the whole league just happened to be in Carolina. Yessss. I knew this dumb take was coming. And its better that it came from one of the "usual suspects" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I'm tired of the umbilical that ties McBeane to Carolina, but I'm not against the hire. It just raises the question of whether they do due diligence on their coaching and player decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Knew they were bad this season, by this metric the Bills were worst.. nowhere to go but upwards. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I owned the 'coaches' part in the last post, "slappy". Not sure what else you want. Or why you're singling me out when i'm far from the only person here (or in the media) pointing out that the Carolina/Ron Rivera connection gets reached out to often. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/15/heath-farwell-headed-to-bills-as-special-teams-coach/ The comment from PFT is flat incorrect. My point is make sure you know what you are talking about before laying it on so thick. I am not typically snarky, but i don’t typically see posts both so loaded with snark AND uninformed. You did indeed own the comment about coaches but continued to Insinuate there is some kind of meaningful pipeline, which there isn’t. Not really singling you out as much as making sure people don’t read it and believe it. I can only attribute all of the vitriol in the thread as a whole to pent up frustration over how things turned out with KB. Edited January 15, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, billieve420 said: Haha that is Chase Blackburn the special teams coordinator for the Panthers. There is a picture of Farwell later in the article. Ok- I am embarrassed... but not as embarrassed as I would be if I got caught with pictures of Chase Blackburn all over my walls like this guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Knew they were bad this season, by this metric the Bills were worst.. nowhere to go but upwards. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst Those are always tricky with teams. A good kicker totally boosts the number, as would a good punter. Hauschka fell off a cliff after his injury, and our punting was league worst. Coverage unit's didn't have a good year either. I don't think anyone's job should be safe between Hauschka, or Bojorguqez?. I personally like the hire. I know nothing about him or special teams coaches, but I'm glad its not some re-tread that got fired from someone else. There's a bunch of new HC's around the league and they'll be looking to fill out their staffs so hopefully this is us getting a jump on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 40 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Even if he is a great hire - how are they not aware of the optics that come with filling (what feels like) 75% of your holes with Carolina coaches and players? It's not a good look. I don't think they care about "optics", I think they care about culture, winning, and finding guys they can trust. And 75% is a huge farce. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Heitz Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Dr. K said: I'm tired of the umbilical that ties McBeane to Carolina, but I'm not against the hire. It just raises the question of whether they do due diligence on their coaching and player decisions. Did anyone point out that Farwell didn't join Carolina until 2018, so he was never with McBean in Carolina, but anywho... Edited January 15, 2019 by Heitz 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Could be a great addition, great story... https://www.theolympian.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article26080978.html Former special teams ace, ST captain for Seattle and they converted him to coach after injury. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 We are going to need good ST play to steal a game or two next year. Whoever can help that, works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Heitz said: Did anyone point out that Farwell didn't join Carolina until 2018, so he was never with McBean in Carolina, but anywho... Yes but narratives 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 53 minutes ago, Augie said: I have a Golden Retriever who just might be an upgrade over Danny. ? I have a fresh pile O’ dung that is an upgrade over Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) I don't understand why the Carolina thing is such a big deal. It happens in college all the time. A coordinator gets a HC job somewhere, or a HC gets an upgraded HC job, and they take as many of their assistants with them as they can. Edited January 15, 2019 by The Real Buffalo Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Heitz said: Did anyone point out that Farwell didn't join Carolina until 2018, so he was never with McBean in Carolina, but anywho... I didn't know. Great point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 50 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Even if he is a great hire - how are they not aware of the optics that come with filling (what feels like) 75% of your holes with Carolina coaches and players? It's not a good look. Apart from social media, who cares? Football is a sport won on the field, not a popularity contest won on internet forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 47 minutes ago, Virgil said: They know there are other teams in the league to choose from, right? You hope it isn't cronyism... I would have preferred they interviewed Boyer, but I cannot say for sure that they did not have Boyer in their sights as their preferred target. Boyer just recently signed (the 13th) an extension to stay on with the Jets under the new regime, and we do not know who he turned down or when before he made that decision. Only a few days after Boyer made that announcement we see this move. Maybe the timing is not coincidence, but rather a plan "B". The only thing I am sure of is if he was their #1 choice there was no need to wait this long to make the move unless Heath had reservations about taking the role. A lot of folks here beg for fresh faces in the coaching ranks - they are getting their wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, WideNine said: You hope it isn't cronyism... I would have preferred they interviewed Boyer, but I cannot say for sure that they did not have Boyer in their sights as their preferred target. Boyer just recently signed (the 13th) an extension to stay on with the Jets under the new regime, and we do not know who he turned down or when before he made that decision. Only a few days after Boyer made that announcement we see this move. Maybe the timing is not coincidence, but rather a plan "B". The only thing I am sure of is if he was their #1 choice there was no need to wait this long to make the move unless Heath had reservations about taking the role. A lot of folks here beg for fresh faces in the coaching ranks - they are getting their wish. How could it be if they never worked with him 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 This is not a Carolina connection. Neither GM nor Coach was ever with this guy in Carolina. He was there one season. This past season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, Heitz said: Did anyone point out that Farwell didn't join Carolina until 2018, so he was never with McBean in Carolina, but anywho... Was also s damn good ST’er himself. Got a ring with Seattle as ST captain. That seems good. He probably play with hausch Just now, YoloinOhio said: How could it be if they never worked with him Does crony of a crony count? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 50 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Actually, at this point I’m neutral on the supposed hire, with a leaning towards ‘it’s a step up’. I was merely pointing out how polarizing coaching selections can be to the fanbase. Good point and that's about where I am with this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Get past the Panther stuff... he was only there a year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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