Speculation on Golic and Wingo that Rosen could be traded

[BuffAlone]

44 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Actually, in this scenario the Steelers would get Rosen, the Cardinals word get Murray and Antonio Brown. Many not normally happen in a vacuum, but the Steelers could consider it since Brown is forcing their hand.

Yes, I misspoke. Sorry bout that. I brain farted lol

[Doc]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

it's not that they don't think he can be one it's they think they can draft another one and get more talent around the new qb by trading rosen. It's possible they can get a first or more

 

1 hour ago, wppete said:

What could Arizona get in return for Josh Rosen? A 2nd round pick?

 

This.

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, dpberr said:

I don't think Steve Keim is stupid enough to draft a 5'10" quarterback first overall.  

 

They should definitely wait and hope he drops to the 4th round. That way they could take a Stephon Gilmore type in the 1st round, a Cordy Glenn type player in the 2nd, and a TJ Graham type player in the 3rd.  Those are the kind of guys you build a franchise around ... a solid core that you can expect to be around for the next decade of dominance.

EDIT: Yes, I know Gilmore and Glenn were (are in the first case) excellent players. The point is an excellent draft + missing on a franchise QB = a bad draft. If they truly believe in Murray, then go get him.

Edited March 1, 2019 by The Frankish Reich

[YoloinOhio]

This was not said by accident at the Combine:

 

 

[Albany,n.y.]

50 minutes ago, wppete said:

What could Arizona get in return for Josh Rosen? A 2nd round pick?

They can get a 1st if a team that rated him highly still likes him.  Look at Brett Favre-he was a 2nd round pick who many thought had 1st round talent.  After sitting virtually all his rookie season, GB sent the 17th pick of the 1992 draft to Atlanta for him.  At the time Favre was not in the Atlanta head coach's plans.   So a mid round 1st for Rosen is about right at this stage.

[whatdrought]

5 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

They can get a 1st if a team that rated him highly still likes him.  Look at Brett Favre-he was a 2nd round pick who many thought had 1st round talent.  After sitting virtually all his rookie season, GB sent the 17th pick of the 1992 draft to Atlanta for him.  At the time Favre was not in the Atlanta head coach's plans.   So a mid round 1st for Rosen is about right at this stage.

 

That example seems a bit of a stretch. Draft picks weren’t worth nearly as much then.

 

I doubt Rosen would be worth anything higher than a 20-25 pick at very best.

 

the problem is that he isn’t an unknown rookie. He has a season of tape (ugly, very bad, no good tape) and while that could definitely be an anomoly, in the back of the mind the question must be asked if that’s just who he is. 

 

If the trade happens, and I am half expecting it to, Look for them to get a second back for him. (Maybe the giants second, which is high.)

[Alphadawg7]

6 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

They can get a 1st if a team that rated him highly still likes him.  Look at Brett Favre-he was a 2nd round pick who many thought had 1st round talent.  After sitting virtually all his rookie season, GB sent the 17th pick of the 1992 draft to Atlanta for him.  At the time Favre was not in the Atlanta head coach's plans.   So a mid round 1st for Rosen is about right at this stage.

 

Farve though didn’t go out on the field for a season and suck though.  

 

Not out of the question Rosen gets a first, but I think it’s going to more likely be a 2nd at most. 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

8 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Look at Brett Favre-he...

I read that and thought it to be yet another attempt at saying his last name correctly.  ?

[zevo]

Not that I think Rosen is a bust...but i do take pleasure in the WGR talking heads, who for months talked up Rosen, remain basically silent. It was the end of days on wgr after the bills took Allen over Rosen...and now....crickets...

Edited March 1, 2019 by zevo

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, They said:

They would advise you to not ask too many questions.

‘They’ being the aforementioned ‘them’, or ‘they’ being ‘you’, the entity responsible for the sentence?  ?

Edited March 1, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013
So damn convoluted, I goofed the punctuation!

[Kirby Jackson]

Rosen to Washington for pick 15 just makes way too much sense for everyone. Washington can get a guy likely graded ahead of any QB available at that point and the Cardinals can still get a foundational defensive piece. 

[McBean]

15 minutes ago, zevo said:

Not that I think Rosen is a bust...but i do take pleasure in the WGR talking heads, who for months talked up Rosen, remain basically silent. It was the end of days on wgr after the bills took Allen over Rosen...and now....crickets...

 

White and the hack Schoop are so pissed too.

 

I love it. 

 

I want Josh Allen to win multiple MVP's and go in WGR one day to blast those 2 clowns.

[947]

There is no way Rosen is worth anything more than a mid-2nd to anybody. Seeing him play in the NFL lowered his stock significantly.

[Teddy KGB]

Lmao @WRONG JOSH

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Rosen to Washington for pick 15 just makes way too much sense for everyone. Washington can get a guy likely graded ahead of any QB available at that point and the Cardinals can still get a foundational defensive piece. 

 

It would make sense...if he didn't look so bad at times last year. 

[GimmeSomeProcess]

7 minutes ago, McBean said:

 

White and the hack Schoop are so pissed too.

 

I love it. 

 

I want Josh Allen to win multiple MVP's and go in WGR one day to blast those 2 clowns.

That will show them

[zevo]

19 minutes ago, McBean said:

 

White and the hack Schoop are so pissed too.

 

I love it. 

 

I want Josh Allen to win multiple MVP's and go in WGR one day to blast those 2 clowns.

Schoop had a beauty a couple weeks ago that even bulldog couldn’t let slide....it was something to the effect of josh Allen’s Numbers make ej manuel look like drew Brees....gotta give that guy credit though...he goes down fighting for his agenda....even if he sounds like a complete moron.

Edited March 1, 2019 by zevo

[LABILLBACKER]

On 1/10/2019 at 6:20 AM, Captain Hindsight said:

Seeming more and more like we picked the right Josh

Rosen, Jackson and Murray will be busts. The 3 best will be Allen, Darnold and Mayfield. 

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It would make sense...if he didn't look so bad at times last year. 

I can’t see a 1st round pick either unless it’s a team who loved him coming out and thinks their system is a great fit 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It would make sense...if he didn't look so bad at times last year. 

Yeah, but a rookie QB that was graded highly a year ago is of value (especially in a down QB year). 

[blacklabel]

If they're all in on Kingsbury like they say then it really only makes sense to allow him to go out and get his guy. And it wouldn't be the worst thing for them, they'd be able to build around Murray quicker using any draft capital/players they get for Rosen. 

 

"Nine mistakes ahead of meeee!" Haha.

[Chuck Wagon]

Right.  If a team like the Pats or the Chargers liked Rosen last year and still like him, why would they not give up a 1st?  Them going to a 2nd opens up the entire league to beat them with a 2nd and if they are drafting ~25 or later most years they'll never get a prospect of a similar caliber that low.

 

I think teams would be willing to give him a pass consider they switched OCs in the middle of the year and fired their coach after one year.  Arizona might be the worst run team in the league currently, their assessment of him should mean little to other teams.

 

 

Also, a real live NFL team isn't actually going to take Kyler Murray over Dwayne Haskins, right?  This is all just media Feb/March filler talk, right?

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

Right.  If a team like the Pats or the Chargers liked Rosen last year and still like him, why would they not give up a 1st?  Them going to a 2nd opens up the entire league to beat them with a 2nd and if they are drafting ~25 or later most years they'll never get a prospect of a similar caliber that low.

 

I think teams would be willing to give him a pass consider they switched OCs in the middle of the year and fired their coach after one year.  Arizona might be the worst run team in the league currently, their assessment of him should mean little to other teams.

 

 

Also, a real live NFL team isn't actually going to take Kyler Murray over Dwayne Haskins, right?  This is all just media Feb/March filler talk, right?

I think one team would... Arizona. He’s a great fit for Kingsbury offense. Rosen isn’t. If they could trade down and still get him they may. Niners really want Bosa. Otherwise, Haskins is the better prospect for your traditional NFL offense. I don’t see a team like Jax or NYG taking kyler over Dwayne. 

Edited March 1, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

23 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Lmao @WRONG JOSH

[dave mcbride]

11 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

Right.  If a team like the Pats or the Chargers liked Rosen last year and still like him, why would they not give up a 1st?  Them going to a 2nd opens up the entire league to beat them with a 2nd and if they are drafting ~25 or later most years they'll never get a prospect of a similar caliber that low.

 

I think teams would be willing to give him a pass consider they switched OCs in the middle of the year and fired their coach after one year.  Arizona might be the worst run team in the league currently, their assessment of him should mean little to other teams.

 

 

Also, a real live NFL team isn't actually going to take Kyler Murray over Dwayne Haskins, right?  This is all just media Feb/March filler talk, right?

Scott McCloughan disagrees with this line of thought, and he's a damn good evaluator -- one of the best. He says Haskins is the next Byron Leftwich to a T! @YoloinOhio -- thoughts on this?

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/28/kyler-murray-height-best-quarterback-scot-mccloughan

Edited March 1, 2019 by dave mcbride

[thenorthremembers]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

No idea ... 

His Instagram got hacked at the "hacker" removed all his photos from the last two years.

[416BillsFan]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

This was not said by accident at the Combine:

 

 

Pure speculation on my part but could this be posturing to get a better deal for pick #1?

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Scott McCloughan disagrees with this line of thought, and he's a damn good evaluator -- one of the best. He says Haskins is the next Byron Leftwich to a T! @YoloinOhio -- thoughts on this?

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/28/kyler-murray-height-best-quarterback-scot-mccloughan

Yes he looks like him in the face.

[Chuck Wagon]

17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think one team would... Arizona. He’s a great fit for Kingsbury offense. Rosen isn’t. If they could trade down and still get him they may. Niners really want Bosa. Otherwise, Haskins is the better prospect for your traditional NFL offense. I don’t see a team like Jax or NYG taking kyler over Dwayne. 

 

 

The Cardinals are the new Browns.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

This was not said by accident at the Combine:

 

 

 

Yikes the Cardinals are an even bigger mess than I thought. I know Rosen wasn't great but he was in a really bad situation. They should stand by him this year, there is no upside to messing with his confidence like that.

[dave mcbride]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yikes the Cardinals are an even bigger mess than I thought. I know Rosen wasn't great but he was in a really bad situation. They should stand by him this year, there is no upside to messing with his confidence like that.

If they truly believe another guy this year is better, then you treat Rosen as a sunk cost and take the QB who you think is more likely to get you to the promised land. Don't waste a #1 overall on a non-QB assuming you actually believe in one of the QBs in the draft. #1 overall picks don't come around very often, and if you don't really believe in Rosen, cut bait now.

 

Everyone needs to bear in mind that the Cardinals were reportedly crestfallen that they couldn't get past the Bills to land Josh Allen, who they loved. 

Edited March 1, 2019 by dave mcbride

[Chuck Wagon]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

If they truly believe another guy this year is better, than you treat Rosen as a sunk cost and take the QB who you think is more likely to get you to the promised land. Don't waste a #1 overall on a non-QB assuming you actually believe in one of the QBs in the draft. #1 overall picks don't come around very often, and if you don't really believe in Rosen, cut bait now.

 

Everyone needs to bear in mind that the Cardinals were reportedly crestfallen that they couldn't get past the Bills to land Josh Allen, who they loved. 

 

 

Bingo.

 

Not all that different than the Chargers Brees - Rivers situation.  Obviously hindsight is 20 / 20 on that one, but at the time Brees was a nice player but Rivers was viewed as a much higher regarded prospect.  If Murray / Haskins are better than Rosen in their eyes, it's a no brainer, get what you can get for Rosen and move on.

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

Bingo.

 

Not all that different than the Chargers Brees - Rivers situation.  Obviously hindsight is 20 / 20 on that one, but at the time Brees was a nice player but Rivers was viewed as a much higher regarded prospect.  If Murray / Haskins are better than Rosen in their eyes, it's a no brainer, get what you can get for Rosen and move on.

Excellent comp.

[Chuck Wagon]

23 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Scott McCloughan disagrees with this line of thought, and he's a damn good evaluator -- one of the best. He says Haskins is the next Byron Leftwich to a T! @YoloinOhio -- thoughts on this?

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/28/kyler-murray-height-best-quarterback-scot-mccloughan

 

 

I take the opinions of guys who run their own websites with a MASSIVE grain of salt, especially when they are failed former GMs.  Click bait is a business model.

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

I take the opinions of guys who run their own websites with a MASSIVE grain of salt, especially when they are failed former GMs.  Click bait is a business model.

But McCloughan was a central player in two of the best QB draft picks in the last decade: Russell Wilson and Baker Mayfield. He's not some schmo in a basement!

[thebandit27]

26 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Scott McCloughan disagrees with this line of thought, and he's a damn good evaluator -- one of the best. He says Haskins is the next Byron Leftwich to a T! @YoloinOhio -- thoughts on this?

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/28/kyler-murray-height-best-quarterback-scot-mccloughan

 

That's been my comparison too

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

But McCloughan was a central player in two of the best QB draft picks in the last decade: Russell Wilson and Baker Mayfield. He's not some schmo in a basement!

So he likes the short guys?

 

I have no idea who will be better but Haskins and Murray are so different stylistically it’s more 1a and 1b. Whoever takes Murray either needs to be set up to scheme for him or be willing to design their offense for him. His height may have been a “win” yesterday because people expected him to be shorter but he’s still small. Haskins fits into more teams and that’s why I think he has a better chance to go first. Also has fewer question marks. I still think both need to redshirt a year, preferably. 

Edited March 1, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

So he likes the short guys?

 

I have no idea who will be better but Haskins and Murray are so different stylistically it’s more 1a and 1b. Whoever takes Murray either needs to be set up to scheme for him or be willing to design their offense for him. His height may have been a “win” yesterday because people expected him to be shorter but he’s still small. Haskins fits into more teams and that’s why I think he has a better chance to go first. Also has a very few question marks outside of experience. I still think both need to redshirt a year, preferably. 

What do you think will happen? I really think AZ takes Murray, but I've been wrong a lot ...

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

What do you think will happen? I really think AZ takes Murray, but I've been wrong a lot ...

I think AZ trades Rosen and takes Murray. 

[eball]

6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

But McCloughan was a central player in two of the best QB draft picks in the last decade: Russell Wilson and Baker Mayfield. He's not some schmo in a basement!

 

True.  If McCloughan wasn't a world class drunk he'd still be a GM somewhere.