Who was GM when Jason Peters was dealt?

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

As I watched Peters dominate Mack for most of the game(as he continues down the road to the HoF), it got me thinking, who was the GM when the trade with Philly took place?

 

 

Russ was the guy who handled that negotiation. I never minded Russ much when he wasn't making personnel decisions, but he botched it.

 

He released some statements to try to pressure Peters and it didn't work a bit. It only angered Peters and his management. Peters was worth every penny Philly paid. We should have paid him what they did. Bills fans after those public statements simply never liked Peters again. To the point that for months after he left people would tell you that Peters had said publicly that he took plays off. He simply hadn't said that, and no matter how many times people asked for a link and never got one most of the boards hated him so much they were unwilling to face the facts about what he'd actually said being very different from what had been perceived.

 

Haven't seen the game yet, but Peters should have been a lifelong Bill. Particularly as they had a terrible time replacing him, with Bell, and a number of other poor attempts for three or four years of QBs taking far too many unexpected hits.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

Peters situation was complicated.

 

The Bills took him in as an undrafted tight end and helped him become a solid RT. After 1 year as a starter we gave him a pretty decent 5 year contract for a RT. Halfway through the first year of that contract the Bills move him from RT to LT. Peters excelled as a LT for that half season, and for the entire next season. 

 

The offseason after his 2nd year of his contract is when he started holding out. I can see where Peters was coming from. LT's get paid more than RT's, and he was an elite LT getting paid average RT money. From the Bills perspective, this was an UDFA that we took a chance on and helped develop, and signed him to a fair contract (at the time). Perhaps the Bills were willing to re-negotiate but Peters demands were outlandish. Perhaps the Bills drew a line in the sand and said they would not re-negotiate under any circumstance. 

 

After sitting out the entire offseason (and getting fined a decent chunk of $$) Peters reported and started in week 1 of that season. IMO he was out of shape and his play was abysmal the first half of the season. He played better, but not great in the second half.  He led the league in sacks allowed that year (not an official stat recognized by the NFL). He was also selected to the Pro Bowl and 2nd team all pro. 

 

After that season the Bills traded him to the Eagles for a 1st, 4th, and 6th rd pick. 

 

On one hand, we traded away a (likely) HOF player in the prime of his career.

 

On the other, we turned a UDFA into a 1st, 4th, and 6th rd pick after an ugly contract dispute (with both sides sharing blame).

[Bad Things]

He's had a long $uccessful career in Philly, but I found him way overrated as a Bill.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not to rehash all this but it was never clear cut one way or the other.  The Bills gave Peters a nice contract after his first season as a RT.  He wanted big time LT money.  He held out and refused to return their phone calls and when he should up, he was completely out of shape.  The Bills finally traded him and ended up with a decent return, I believe a 1st and something else.  If the Pats did this, we would praise their culture and getting rid of me guys.  

 

I know it’s impossible to take the middle ground in any debate but I completely see both sides. Peters is a HOF and a freak.  The Bills signed the guy as a UDFA TE and moved him.  Peters also has had some major injuries and missed most of last year.  But yup, that deal worked out well for them.

 

 

Dude.......you finally let go of your irrational raging crusade of support for Dick Jauron a few years ago("he's Belichick without Brady")............it's time to give up the freezing cold old Peters take too.

 

Peters followed Eugene Parker's direction..........if Russ wanted to negotiate with Peters he had to go thru his agent and he wasn't going to get sucked into debating it with the team.

 

This is STANDARD practice we take for granted now........if you are in a contract dispute with a player you go thru his agent.

 

Russ made a huge mis-step trying to negotiate the contract in the media.

 

"We already gave him a raise and he won't answer my calls"  was a dumb,  old-labor-management approach.........they had given him a raise to be a RT and THEN moved him to LT and he was the best LT in the NFL!........he warranted a new contract and his HOF career is proof.

 

Russ was a clueless newbie GM then........it bears mentioning that you loved the "out of the box" hire of Russ as GM as well........and years later Russ was effusive in his praise of Parker's character and work as a negotiator.

 

BTW..........back when people were singing the praises young Eric Wood.......I told the LONG LIST OF FOOLS here on TSW that Peters would still be playing in the league when Eric Wood was gone..........how ya' like me now!?

 

 

[Rico]

1 hour ago, Helpmenow said:

Peters is a much better player than Eric wood whom the bills drafted with that pick.

Light years better.

 

Let's not also forget the many more millions that Derrick Dockery was paid compared to him.

[Rico]

6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Dude.......you finally let go of your irrational raging crusade of support for Dick Jauron a few years ago("he's Belichick without Brady")............it's time to give up the freezing cold old Peters take too.

 

Peters followed Eugene Parker's direction..........if Russ wanted to negotiate with Peters he had to go thru his agent and he wasn't going to get sucked into debating it with the team.

 

This is STANDARD practice we take for granted now........if you are in a contract dispute with a player you go thru his agent.

 

Russ made a huge mis-step trying to negotiate the contract in the media.

 

"We already gave him a raise and he won't answer my calls"  was a dumb,  old-labor-management approach.........they had given him a raise to be a RT and THEN moved him to LT and he was the best LT in the NFL!........he warranted a new contract and his HOF career is proof.

 

Russ was a clueless newbie GM then........it bears mentioning that you loved the "out of the box" hire of Russ as GM as well........and years later Russ was effusive in his praise of Parker's character and work as a negotiator.

 

BTW..........back when people were singing the praises young Eric Wood.......I told the LONG LIST OF FOOLS here on TSW that Peters would still be playing in the league when Eric Wood was gone..........how ya' like me now!?

 

 

[BuffaloFan68]

If memory serves me correctly, Philly was fined for tampering because they were negotiating before they were allowed to be. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yup.  But clearly if we had Peters, we would have been a powerhouse.  He would have taken Trent to the next level.

 

Hell's frozen over. I agree with biscuit

[BuffaloBill]

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

Pretty sure it was Levy.

 

Incorrect. Twas the great Russell Brandon.

 

I still believe the Bills completely mishandled the entire Peters affair.  It’s easy to say from my position but the Bills let a once in a generation talent slip away from them.  It was sheer stupidity.

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, unbillievable said:

 

Everyone was making a big deal out of Mack's stats during that game. But if you watched Peters, which I did because I didn't care about either team, you would notice that he looked awful. His "dominance" consisted of being big enough to block a direct line to Foles. He barely got a hand on anyone and was consistently beat inside and out. The eagles just game planned to get the ball out quickly.

 

Edit: I guess being bull-rush proof is a good thing. Forcing Bears to run around you is a type of pass protection.

Yes.  Making players take the old Maybin trail around the pocket is excellent pass protection.  Zero sacks and two hits hardly sounds like consistently beat inside and out.

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not to rehash all this but it was never clear cut one way or the other.  The Bills gave Peters a nice contract after his first season as a RT.  He wanted big time LT money.  He held out and refused to return their phone calls and when he should up, he was completely out of shape.  The Bills finally traded him and ended up with a decent return, I believe a 1st and something else.  If the Pats did this, we would praise their culture and getting rid of me guys.  

 

I know it’s impossible to take the middle ground in any debate but I completely see both sides. Peters is a HOF and a freak.  The Bills signed the guy as a UDFA TE and moved him.  Peters also has had some major injuries and missed most of last year.  But yup, that deal worked out well for them.

yes, and Peters did NOT want to be here.  I think RW felt he was ungrateful and refused to even consider mollifying him.  In fairness to Ralph, Peters was being a huge deuche about it.  In fairness to Peters, we were not paying him what we had made him worth.

[Jauronimo]

Beef Mo is only getting into Canton if he buys a ticket like everyone else.

[uticaclub]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

And how successful were we with Peters? 

 

Facts are:  Peters forced his way out.  Really was not the fault of the Bills front office.  They can be held accountable for a whole lot over most the past 2 decades, but this particular situation was all on Peters.

 

He got paid then wanted more and decided to stay home and get fat.  More importantly he led the league in sacks allowed the year before as well and yet was still asking for even more money after 1 year on his already new deal.

 

And we got Wood out of it, who did eventually help us make the playoffs last year while we never made the playoffs with Peters.  We also had a pretty good LT most the years since Peters has been gone, LT hasn’t been the WHY we struggled to win or make playoffs.  

 

It was a win-win for Bills and Eagles.

 

I wouldn’t call Langston Walker or Demeteris Bell pretty good. I remember wanting to run Peters out of town but it was all part of the losing culture that elite players didn’t want to be a part of 

[auburnbillsbacker]

The Bills signed a fat tight end then helped him become a great offensive tackle. They then gave him a significant pay raise.  Peters paid them back by holding out most of a season then playing awful for a couple of games forcing the bills to trade him.  

[BillyWhiteShows]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

Don't we just blame Doug Whaley for everything?

 

Yes because he’s screwed up a lot of stuff.  He wasn’t in Buffalo for this screw up though

[Manther]

2 hours ago, unbillievable said:

How many felt that letting Jarius Byrd go was history repeating itself?

Not at all!  The situations seemed similar.  BUT, you need to understand the player and what they are trying to accomplish.  So, after the fact and during BOTH times I thought they were different.  Peters wanting to be paid for playing well and Byrd trying to get paid and not really interested in playing football at a high level (just a pay day).

 

When paying a player big bucks I think the two important things are is that salary and cap hit worth it for that position and what will that player produce on the field after the pay day.

 

Peters - LT is worth the money.  What will he do after the pay day, not sure.

 

Byrd - S is not worth the money.  Confident he didn't care about football after being paid.

 

JMHO

[BADOLBILZ]

43 minutes ago, Rico said:

 

 

Biscuit's 4 year Baghdad Bob-esque defense of Dick Jauron remains the all-time worst take in the history of TSW.............both for sheer wrongness and duration.

 

With all of the information at our disposal now it's a standard of wrong that may be unreachable ever again.

 

Sorry Biscuit........but after that you basically can't dance again........guilty feet have got no rhythm. 

 

And since that's a McCoy thread let me ask people how my take that unnecessarily extending McCoy after the trade.......adding the 2018 and 2019 seasons and $26.5M guaranteed total to his Philly contract......was a mistake.......look now?

 

McCoy was being paid top dollar for a RB under his Eagles contract that ran thru 2017 when they acquired him.............I like how he's matured as a teammate but some takes are TOO EASY and yet vehemently opposed on TSW.

Edited January 8, 2019 by BADOLBILZ

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not to rehash all this but it was never clear cut one way or the other.  The Bills gave Peters a nice contract after his first season as a RT.  He wanted big time LT money.  He held out and refused to return their phone calls and when he should up, he was completely out of shape.  The Bills finally traded him and ended up with a decent return, I believe a 1st and something else.  If the Pats did this, we would praise their culture and getting rid of me guys.  

 

I know it’s impossible to take the middle ground in any debate but I completely see both sides. Peters is a HOF and a freak.  The Bills signed the guy as a UDFA TE and moved him.  Peters also has had some major injuries and missed most of last year.  But yup, that deal worked out well for them.

 

 

To correctly rehash all of this, the Bills paid him UDFA money and then put him at RT where he immediately was one of the two or three best in the league.

 

They then gave him a contract based on RT salaries and literally a few games later they switched him to LT, a much higher-paid position, and expected him to be happy with his contract which was drastically underpaying him. He didn't say anything for a year and a half but at that point he began to complain, and it was very very reasonable that he did so. He was one of the two or three best LTs in the league instantly and was the lowest-paid LT on a non-rookie contract in the league.

 

Of course he felt drastically underpaid.

 

And no, he wasn't out of shape. Even Jauron, the coach at the time, admitted he'd been working out hard. What was true was that he wasn't in game shape. And there's no way to get in game shape when you hold out. You have to play football to get in football shape. This is another thing which has been said by nobody at the Bills. In fact, they said the opposite, that he'd worked out a ton and was in great shape, but not in football shape. But you still hear people saying what you said, that he'd been in bad shape.

 

More, the fact that he was in good shape - but not good football shape - showed. The first four or five weeks he wasn't playing all that well, but after that he was once again absolutely dominating opponents. People forget that he was chosen for the Pro Bowl that year, and for good reason.

 

[K-9]

2 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Between Jason Peters and Marshawn Lynch, how many other future hall of famers did that regime give away?

Peters is a first ballot lock. 

 

I doubt Lynch garners any consideration at all. 

[MJS]

43 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said:

 

Yes because he’s screwed up a lot of stuff.  He wasn’t in Buffalo for this screw up though

 

That you know of ?

[WideNine]

14 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not to rehash all this but it was never clear cut one way or the other.  The Bills gave Peters a nice contract after his first season as a RT.  He wanted big time LT money.  He held out and refused to return their phone calls and when he should up, he was completely out of shape.  The Bills finally traded him and ended up with a decent return, I believe a 1st and something else.  If the Pats did this, we would praise their culture and getting rid of me guys.  

 

I know it’s impossible to take the middle ground in any debate but I completely see both sides. Peters is a HOF and a freak.  The Bills signed the guy as a UDFA TE and moved him.  Peters also has had some major injuries and missed most of last year.  But yup, that deal worked out well for them.

 

Was my take too. Mouse was a great o-line coach and molded a freakishly heavy, but nimble UFA TE into a pro-bowl LT.

 

Early on it was kind of fun watching the coaches try to figure out what to do with him...used him as a wedge buster on Special Teams for a while...he was outrunning some of our linebackers.

 

They signed him to a 5 year deal and he basically held out the last 2 did not participate in practice, showed up out of shape and got injured right off the bat and pretty much forced their hand.

 

I think the Bills received 2 picks from Philly.

 

Not a fan...would be different if he had honored the contract he signed and then asked for more $$$.

 

 

Edited January 8, 2019 by WideNine

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Peters is a first ballot lock. 

 

I doubt Lynch garners any consideration at all. 

 

 

Oh he'll get A LOT of consideration.......he's iconic........one of the greatest runs in NFL history(Beast Quake)........was a huge part of the identity of the Seahawks teams that went to back-to-back SB's and the team is remembered for losing the second one because they DIDN'T give him the ball............and of course 10K+ yards on the ground ain't nothing to sneeze at for RB's who entered the NFL in the past decade.

 

I think it might drop the jaws of a few Bills fans to know that he and McCoy have almost identical career rushing totals.

 

Admittedly, going to Oakland and not carrying the ball a lot the past two years has watered down the back of his football card a bit though.   His style has naturally aged better than McCoy's though.......he's still running for 4.2 ypc and smashing people doing it.    McCoy has fallen below 4 the past two years and brings no physicality........hence the Ivory signing.  

 

[Helpmenow]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

Light years better.

 

Let's not also forget the many more millions that Derrick Dockery was paid compared to him.

mArv ? How about Langston walker too

[Manther]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Oh he'll get A LOT of consideration.......he's iconic........one of the greatest runs in NFL history(Beast Quake)........was a huge part of the identity of the Seahawks teams that went to back-to-back SB's and the team is remembered for losing the second one because they DIDN'T give him the ball............and of course 10K+ yards on the ground ain't nothing to sneeze at for RB's who entered the NFL in the past decade.

 

I think it might drop the jaws of a few Bills fans to know that he and McCoy have almost identical career rushing totals.

 

Admittedly, going to Oakland and not carrying the ball a lot the past two years has watered down the back of his football card a bit though.   His style has naturally aged better than McCoy's though.......he's still running for 4.2 ypc and smashing people doing it.    McCoy has fallen below 4 the past two years and brings no physicality........hence the Ivory signing.  

 

IMHO he is not even close to a first ballot HOFer.  He may not get int he HOF.  But, first ballot, NO!

[K-9]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Oh he'll get A LOT of consideration.......he's iconic........one of the greatest runs in NFL history(Beast Quake)........was a huge part of the identity of the Seahawks teams that went to back-to-back SB's and the team is remembered for losing the second one because they DIDN'T give him the ball............and of course 10K+ yards on the ground ain't nothing to sneeze at for RB's who entered the NFL in the past decade.

 

I think it might drop the jaws of a few Bills fans to know that he and McCoy have almost identical career rushing totals.

 

Admittedly, going to Oakland and not carrying the ball a lot the past two years has watered down the back of his football card a bit though.   His style has naturally aged better than McCoy's though.......he's still running for 4.2 ypc and smashing people doing it.    McCoy has fallen below 4 the past two years and brings no physicality........hence the Ivory signing.  

 

I guess we'll see. But I'll be surprised if he gets much hype outside whatever local writers are on the voting committee. 

 

Iconic is nice, but it doesn't necessarily equate to greatness. A few big plays, as impactful as they may have been and one he didn't get a chance to make just don't move the needle that much in voter's eyes. I like his TD total as a barometer, but there are a couple with more that won't see the HOF, either. 

 

And regardless of the move towards more passing vs. running in the league, 12k is still the new bar. And he's not close. Yardage and TDs are where it's at for RBs. 

[Buffalo86]

Peters resented getting paid ~half of what Dockery & Walker were making, and I think the Bills expected too much loyalty from him.  It's a business.  Knowing that Russ Brandon was our GM, I don't believe for a second that this was all on Peters.  Players are motivated by $ and winning, and it was clear Peters wasn't getting either of those in Buffalo.  

 

[BillsVet]

3 hours ago, Rico said:

 

There is no better enduring image of Brandon, a.k.a. Mr. Smithers. 

 

1 hour ago, Rico said:

Light years better.

 

Let's not also forget the many more millions that Derrick Dockery was paid compared to him.

 

Imagine asking for a way to get more playing time, becoming a good starting RT, then getting kicked over to LT mid-season 2006, being a 2nd Team All-Pro, and finding out Derrick freaking Dockery got a huge contract. And they won't pay you at a position of more value.  

 

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

Beef Mo is only getting into Canton if he buys a ticket like everyone else.

 

Peters has a good chance of making it to Canton.  And Russ Brandon?  He's unemployed now.  That's karma for you.  

[PromoTheRobot]

While giving Peters his tongue bath, keep in mind he missed two season to serious injury. So the Eagles paid him a lot of money to be on IR.

 

Frankly I don't care one lick about Peters. It's hard for me to give a big contact to a player who behaved like he did toward the Bills.

[BADOLBILZ]

15 minutes ago, Manther said:

IMHO he is not even close to a first ballot HOFer.  He may not get int he HOF.  But, first ballot, NO!

 

 

Consider this though............what RB's who played the majority of their career after the huge rule emphasis changes of 2010 will make the HOF?

 

Adrian Peterson for sure.

 

After that there is Beast Mode.

 

There are a lot of folks here who feel like McCoy will surely make it but his rush stats are about the same as Lynch and he's of zero importance in postseason history and has abuse in his off field history.......which at least now is a big red flag.

 

I think all 3 make it.........won't be many RB's getting to 10K rush yards anymore.........but yeah Peterson is probably the only first ballot.

[BADOLBILZ]

19 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I guess we'll see. But I'll be surprised if he gets much hype outside whatever local writers are on the voting committee. 

 

Iconic is nice, but it doesn't necessarily equate to greatness. A few big plays, as impactful as they may have been and one he didn't get a chance to make just don't move the needle that much in voter's eyes. I like his TD total as a barometer, but there are a couple with more that won't see the HOF, either. 

 

And regardless of the move towards more passing vs. running in the league, 12k is still the new bar. And he's not close. Yardage and TDs are where it's at for RBs. 

 

 

You must think McCoy has no chance then.   15 less rushing TD's than Lynch and Lynch has even been the better ball carrier late in their careers(though that isn't saying much for either, really).

 

Lynch was one more big season from being a lock.

 

I don't think 10,500 or 12,000 makes much difference now.............when Goodell instructed officials to not allow defenses to hit receivers or QB's and legislation followed the very next year 7 QB's cracked the top 25 passing yardage seasons of ALL TIME?..........that changed the game forever.

 

10K rushing yards in this era is a lot.........the best young RB's of today have almost no chance of getting 10K, IMO.

 

Edited January 8, 2019 by BADOLBILZ

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, uticaclub said:

I wouldn’t call Langston Walker or Demeteris Bell pretty good. I remember wanting to run Peters out of town but it was all part of the losing culture that elite players didn’t want to be a part of 

 

 

Exactly. Walker and Bell were awful at LT, though Walker had been pretty good at RT.

 

3 hours ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

yes, and Peters did NOT want to be here.  I think RW felt he was ungrateful and refused to even consider mollifying him.  In fairness to Ralph, Peters was being a huge deuche about it.  In fairness to Peters, we were not paying him what we had made him worth.

 

This was another of the myths floating around, that he didn't want to be here. Which was nothing but sour grapes.

 

He wanted his $10 mill a year, is what he wanted. He actually made it quite clear in his arrival speech in Philly that he had expected to spend his career in Buffalo and that he was totally shocked to be traded. "It blew my mind" was one of the things he said.

Edited January 8, 2019 by Thurman#1

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, MJS said:

Don't we just blame Doug Whaley for everything?

No now we blame Beane for everything or you have the others who give Beane credit for Whaleys last draft.  Apparently he ran our draft from the Panthers War Room.

 

Uhoh I offended rico.

Edited January 8, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[K-9]

24 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You must think McCoy has no chance then.   15 less rushing TD's than Lynch and Lynch has even been the better ball carrier late in their careers(though that isn't saying much for either, really).

 

Lynch was one more big season from being a lock.

 

I don't think 10,500 or 12,000 makes much difference now.............when Goodell instructed officials to not allow defenses to hit receivers or QB's and legislation followed the very next year 7 QB's cracked the top 25 passing yardage seasons of ALL TIME?..........that changed the game forever.

 

10K rushing yards in this era is a lot.........the best young RB's of today have almost no chance of getting 10K, IMO.

 

If he can get to 12k, I think McCoy has a better chance than Lynch  to garner some hype, but I don't think he'll get in, either. 

 

We will have to agree to disagree on the 12k bar for running backs. 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

4 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Between Jason Peters and Marshawn Lynch, how many other future hall of famers did that regime give away?

 

Marshawn Lynch isn't going to be in the Hall of Fame... that's a joke. Ottis Anderson and LeSean McCoy should be then.

[Big Turk]

In the time it took you to post this thread you could have gotten your answer by using Google. Google is your friend, use it.

[BillyWhiteShows]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

I still believe the Bills completely mishandled the entire Peters affair.  It’s easy to say from my position but the Bills let a once in a generation talent slip away from them.  It was sheer stupidity.

 

I tend to agree and while Eric Wood is a nice player, he is nowhere near the player Peters has been for nearly 2 decades.

 

There’s no hindsight here - this was a very bad decision that came back to hurt the Bills for years.

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You must think McCoy has no chance then.   15 less rushing TD's than Lynch and Lynch has even been the better ball carrier late in their careers(though that isn't saying much for either, really).

 

Lynch was one more big season from being a lock.

 

I don't think 10,500 or 12,000 makes much difference now.............when Goodell instructed officials to not allow defenses to hit receivers or QB's and legislation followed the very next year 7 QB's cracked the top 25 passing yardage seasons of ALL TIME?..........that changed the game forever.

 

10K rushing yards in this era is a lot.........the best young RB's of today have almost no chance of getting 10K, IMO.

 

Shady has more rushing yards and nearly 2,000 more receiving yards in 2 fewer seasons.

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

The Bills signed a fat tight end then helped him become a great offensive tackle. They then gave him a significant pay raise.  Peters paid them back by holding out most of a season then playing awful for a couple of games forcing the bills to trade him.  

 

Who made Jason Peters great? Mularkey, Jauron? Any guesses?  As good as Mouse McNally was, Peters was a rare physical specimen (who ran a sub 5.0 40 at the combine weighing 330 pounds).  He earned the accolades he received.  And, in careers that often last under 4 years, he wanted to get paid after being among the league's best at perhaps the most difficult position to play next to QB.  

 

Buffalo gave him a raise in 2005 to play RT and he excelled.  He moved to LT in mid-season 2006 and was pretty much dominant (or "dominate" for some fans). 

 

You don't get selected to 9 Pro Bowls, voted 1st Team All-Pro 2 times, and 2nd Team All-Pro 4 other times unless you're talented.  So talented in fact, that Philadelphia immediately gave him a 6 year 60m contract after the trade. Then later signed him to another 50M+ deal.    

 

Buffalo was too cheap to pay elite talent and that's why they traded him.  Thank goodness this organization isn't run as poorly as it was a decade ago. 

 

Edited January 8, 2019 by BillsVet

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said:

No now we blame Beane for everything or you have the others who give Beane credit for Whaleys last draft.  Apparently he ran our draft from the Panthers War Room.

 

Uhoh I offended rico.

 

 

It's very true that we shouldn't give credit to Beane for McDermott's draft of 2017.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Russ Brandon got up in front of the media on the eve of Training Camp in 2009 and said he hadn’t spoken to Peters since January. 

 

Traded an All-Pro LT because you didn’t want to pay him $10MM a year. 

 

He got to the Eagles and they had a contract in place the same day. 

Edited January 8, 2019 by Straight Hucklebuck