jaybee Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 According to the internet which I don't find particularly reliable I found that the five highest-paid quarterbacks are Jimmy Garoppolo, Matt Stafford, Derek Carr, Andrew Luck and Aaron Rodgers. The combined record of these five quarterbacks through 15 games is 28 - 46. Yes there have been injuries to some extent. So based on that quick data point perhaps a quarterback does not mean as much as many would make you think. I don't know if we have a good quarterback or not at this point but there is much more to winning football games than having a good quarterback apparently. I fully expect 100% negative, disagreement and inflammatory replies to the post since that's pretty much all we do here. Enjoy! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueandRed Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 There is only one great qb on your list. The others are not worth it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, jaybee said: According to the internet which I don't find particularly reliable I found that the five highest-paid quarterbacks are Jimmy Garoppolo, Matt Stafford, Derek Carr, Andrew Luck and Aaron Rodgers. The combined record of these five quarterbacks through 15 games is 28 - 46. Yes there have been injuries to some extent. So based on that quick data point perhaps a quarterback does not mean as much as many would make you think. I don't know if we have a good quarterback or not at this point but there is much more to winning football games than having a good quarterback apparently. I fully expect 100% negative, disagreement and inflammatory replies to the post since that's pretty much all we do here. Enjoy! You get a thumbs up for that and for thinking outside the box but but i do disagree great Qbs are in fact worth it. Edited December 28, 2018 by RoyBatty is alive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) Yes great QBs are worth the money. They give your team a chance to win and they fill the stands. I'm not sure why you choose to list the five highest paid QBs when your question was about the greatest QBs. QBs are not paid based on their ranking vs their peers. They are paid based on potential to improve their team and current market conditions at the time they sign their contracts. Because the salary cap keeps going up and the league keeps making rules to favor QBs, the price for QBs will continue to rise and the QBs who have more recently signed contracts will, in general, be the highest paid for some period of time. Edited December 28, 2018 by KD in CA 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 26 minutes ago, jaybee said: According to the internet which I don't find particularly reliable I found that the five highest-paid quarterbacks are Jimmy Garoppolo, Matt Stafford, Derek Carr, Andrew Luck and Aaron Rodgers. The combined record of these five quarterbacks through 15 games is 28 - 46. Yes there have been injuries to some extent. So based on that quick data point perhaps a quarterback does not mean as much as many would make you think. I don't know if we have a good quarterback or not at this point but there is much more to winning football games than having a good quarterback apparently. I fully expect 100% negative, disagreement and inflammatory replies to the post since that's pretty much all we do here. Enjoy! ...whoa!!...the "posting pundits" here declared Luck as "all done"....so now what?...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 24 minutes ago, BlueandRed said: There is only one great qb on your list. The others are not worth it. A healthy Andrew Luck is worth it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Very grateful no Bills QB is top 5, hopefully since Jim Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I don't think this works very well as a metric I mean so much of it depends on when starters/franchise QBs have last made a contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Ask the Vikings about "great" qb's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...whoa!!...the "posting pundits" here declared Luck as "all done"....so now what?...... Now we go back to he sucks and isn't worth it because the Colts haven't gone to a Super Bowl......apparently like every other QB in the AFC aside from Brady. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) Well, at least you already knew what was coming in terms of disagreement. I’d respectfully point out the number of years during the drought where even semi competent QB play for us (over the course of a whole season) would have catapulted us into relevance/playoffs? Bills are Exhibit A as to why a great QB is always worth it... Edited December 28, 2018 by NoHuddleKelly12 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 It's a supply and demand thing. They're not paid high because they're that great. They're paid that high simply because teams like Detroit know anybody else they get will be a downgrade from Stafford, so they pay him what they can because he's their best possible option. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 33 minutes ago, jaybee said: According to the internet which I don't find particularly reliable I found that the five highest-paid quarterbacks are Jimmy Garoppolo, Matt Stafford, Derek Carr, Andrew Luck and Aaron Rodgers. The combined record of these five quarterbacks through 15 games is 28 - 46. Yes there have been injuries to some extent. So based on that quick data point perhaps a quarterback does not mean as much as many would make you think. I don't know if we have a good quarterback or not at this point but there is much more to winning football games than having a good quarterback apparently. I fully expect 100% negative, disagreement and inflammatory replies to the post since that's pretty much all we do here. Enjoy! Lets start with your list being wrong. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/quarterback/ 1. Brees* (13-2) 2. Rodgers (6-8) 3. Matt Ryan (6-9) 4. Cousins (8-6-1) 5. Jimmy (1-2) *Brees should actually be number one or two on this list. 2017 he signed a 2 year deal for one year of play, which they then extended again The Saints eat an additional 10 million in dead cap space on top of his $25 mil. At some point the Saints will be paying Brees after he has retired. gotta count that if you want to talk "highest paid" QB's 34-27-1 is their combined record. The top 3 on this list make just about every single team in the NFL better than they are right now. Pay them what they are asking for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Mango said: Lets start with your list being wrong. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/quarterback/ Dude.. he doesn't find the internet reliable. He said it himself. Those hyperlinks are just underlined blue text on a computer screen. But yeah, Brees, Rodgers, and Ryan.. duh they're worth it. Jimmy G was all the 49ers fault, Cousins well.. it's a relatively short term deal on a win now team, I'd expect them to rebound but of course the marquis FA QB of any year is going to be grossly overpaid. He ain't horrible but no where near top 5 salary good. Edited December 28, 2018 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 It’s kind of an unfair list, those are some of the most recent signings and extensions. Let’s get into the 5-15 range of highest paid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Great QB’s? Absolutely! Once you find one you have to keep them as long as possible and build around them. For years, this league has become haves and have nots when it comes to a QB. If you don’t have one, the odds of multiple year success are slim to none. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 hour ago, jaybee said: According to the internet which I don't find particularly reliable I found that the five highest-paid quarterbacks are Jimmy Garoppolo, Matt Stafford, Derek Carr, Andrew Luck and Aaron Rodgers. The combined record of these five quarterbacks through 15 games is 28 - 46. Yes there have been injuries to some extent. So based on that quick data point perhaps a quarterback does not mean as much as many would make you think. I don't know if we have a good quarterback or not at this point but there is much more to winning football games than having a good quarterback apparently. I fully expect 100% negative, disagreement and inflammatory replies to the post since that's pretty much all we do here. Enjoy! First of all, highest paid does not equal greatness. Having a franchise QB is just the starting point, and easily the most important piece on an NFL team. Of course the other positions matter. But if you don't have a good QB (as displayed by our franchise over the last 2 decades), then you are starting so far behind that you almost need to have everything fall perfect to even have a chance at competing for a championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 If truly great, yes. But what is great? I'd say a HOF type. And out of hundreds of guys playing the position in the modern area there's about 30 in the Hall. Or to out it another way, to pay a guy like Cousins a guaranteed 80 some million is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) Great QBs are worth it. Paying QBs that aren't great QBs great QB money is not. It's even greater when you have one of the greatest of all time (Brady) and you can pay him moderately on the books. Paying Cousins what he got was dumb. Paying Garropolo what he got was also dumb even If it works out for the team. He proved nothing yet. Prove then pay. Edited December 28, 2018 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 2 hours ago, jaybee said: According to the internet which I don't find particularly reliable I found that the five highest-paid quarterbacks are Jimmy Garoppolo, Matt Stafford, Derek Carr, Andrew Luck and Aaron Rodgers. The combined record of these five quarterbacks through 15 games is 28 - 46. Yes there have been injuries to some extent. So based on that quick data point perhaps a quarterback does not mean as much as many would make you think. I don't know if we have a good quarterback or not at this point but there is much more to winning football games than having a good quarterback apparently. I fully expect 100% negative, disagreement and inflammatory replies to the post since that's pretty much all we do here. Enjoy! You may get the same stats looking at the highest paid long snappers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 2 hours ago, jaybee said: According to the internet which I don't find particularly reliable I found that the five highest-paid quarterbacks are Jimmy Garoppolo, Matt Stafford, Derek Carr, Andrew Luck and Aaron Rodgers. The combined record of these five quarterbacks through 15 games is 28 - 46. Yes there have been injuries to some extent. So based on that quick data point perhaps a quarterback does not mean as much as many would make you think. I don't know if we have a good quarterback or not at this point but there is much more to winning football games than having a good quarterback apparently. I fully expect 100% negative, disagreement and inflammatory replies to the post since that's pretty much all we do here. Enjoy! It is called supply and demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 2 hours ago, KD in CA said: Yes great QBs are worth the money. They give your team a chance to win and they fill the stands. I'm not sure why you choose to list the five highest paid QBs when your question was about the greatest QBs. QBs are not paid based on their ranking vs their peers. They are paid based on potential to improve their team and current market conditions at the time they sign their contracts. Because the salary cap keeps going up and the league keeps making rules to favor QBs, the price for QBs will continue to rise and the QBs who have more recently signed contracts will, in general, be the highest paid for some period of time. Not to mention Tom Brady very selflessly makes little money so the team isn't horrible around him and his would-be monster contract. As you say, can't correlate QB pay rate to QB quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 This is a silly question. The answer is yes. The problem is PAYING a QB big money doesn't guarantee great play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Not to mention Tom Brady very selflessly makes little money so the team isn't horrible around him and his would-be monster contract. As you say, can't correlate QB pay rate to QB quality. Sorry, not to nitpick, but it ain’t “little money”, but it is LESS money. This is kind of the test of what your QB/leader is made of. How rich do you need to be (I know, Tommy has Gi$$elle money too), and how much do you want to win? A. Rodgers will collect his $33 mil/year and lose because they can’t afford talent elsewhere. Oh, and apparently he’s not all that well liked. Hmmm..... Paying the WRONG QB big money is the kiss of death for quite a while! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 I don’t know if great ones are worth the money, but we’ve tried having crappy quarterbacks and that didn’t work at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Oh brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 The idiocy of this post makes me wonder what division the OP has been watching for the past 19 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 23 hours ago, jaybee said: According to the internet which I don't find particularly reliable I found that the five highest-paid quarterbacks are Jimmy Garoppolo, Matt Stafford, Derek Carr, Andrew Luck and Aaron Rodgers. The combined record of these five quarterbacks through 15 games is 28 - 46. Yes there have been injuries to some extent. So based on that quick data point perhaps a quarterback does not mean as much as many would make you think. I don't know if we have a good quarterback or not at this point but there is much more to winning football games than having a good quarterback apparently. I fully expect 100% negative, disagreement and inflammatory replies to the post since that's pretty much all we do here. Enjoy! Highest paid isnt really worth much in context. Basically anytime a "franchise type" QB has a contract come up they are going to set a new bar for highest paid QB whether or not they deserve to be. This is mainly due to the cap going up virtually every year and the lack of any real QB options on the market for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi1 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 No one man, nor one position determines what a TEAM is capable of accomplishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 How would we have any useful insight into such a question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTLBillsfan Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 One thing that I noticed is once a team gives a quarterback the big contract, often, but not always his play regresses a bit. In some cases it is a "I got my money so I don't have to work as hard" mentality. In most of the cases it is that the big contract uses up so much cap space that the teams have to cut back on other positions (offensive line, receivers etc) I have seen many times when a QB, or any other position for that matter gets a huge payday the team does not play as well overall. I think one of the reasons for the Patriots long success with Brady is he has not been one of the top paid quarterbacks despite having by far the best resume. He takes less money so they can build the team around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) On 12/28/2018 at 12:34 PM, BlueandRed said: There is only one great qb on your list. The others are not worth it. Tom Brady may go down as the lowest paid Elite quarterback in NFL history. And then you've got mediocre scrubs like Kirk Cousins who are so overpaid. Blows the mind. Edited December 29, 2018 by LABILLBACKER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 14 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Tom Brady may go down as the lowest paid Elite quarterback in NFL history. And then you've got mediocre scrubs like Kirk Cousins who are so overpaid. Blows the mind. Timing timing timing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Bradford, Cousins, seem a mistake to me. Still not as much a mistake as Dareus and Star... Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Luck... you pay them for sure. Most important position in football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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