Finally had a chance to watch the game....blaming Josh for this? Really?

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, BillyWhiteShows said:

 

The Rams and Bears would beg to differ 

Yeah, but they completely commit to their franchise qb and got an innovative offensive coach.  We are going to keep the OC of the 31st ranked offense for continuity.

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, timtebow15 said:

I would never predict that because they can't fix the offense in one offseason.  Next year I'd go with 7-9.

 

7-9 won't cut it in 2019 with it being year three of the McDermott-Beane regime. 

[87168]

12 minutes ago, timtebow15 said:

 

That was in response to a post pointing out how awful Allen's supporting cast is and has everything to do with his play.  Name a QB that could look good in this offense with players dropping TDs, no blocking, crap TEs - not even Brees would look like an NFL QB with these losers.  Allen is not the problem right now.

not sure, but our last QB did OK. people act recent Bill QBs had Julio Jones and Odell as targets before. it's been a long time since this organization has had any really game changers at the receiver position.

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, timtebow15 said:

I understand - my opinion of the oline is just way worse than some other people I think.  In all those examples there was a much offensive line than ours.   

Fair but qbs can make the oline look better or worse.  It was the whole RJ would get sacked every down and Flutie would never get sacked.  Brees makes his oline better.

 

i didn’t watch the all 22 but the tv guys were saying Allen was just missing open receivers.  It’s what happen to Taylor.  Misreads makes every one on the offense look worse.  

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

7-9 won't cut it in 2019 with it being year three of the McDermott-Beane regime. 

Trust the process! We will still rebuilding!

 

that said, if Allen is becoming a star type qb, that would buy them another year.

1 minute ago, 87168 said:

not sure, but our last QB did OK. people act recent Bill QBs had Julio Jones and Odell as targets before. it's been a long time since this organization has had any really game changers at the receiver position.

It’s also hard to say because our qbs have been so bad.  Woods is better in LA.  Sammy was off to the best start of his career before he got hurt.  

[87168]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

It’s also hard to say because our qbs have been so bad.  Woods is better in LA.  Sammy was off to the best start of his career before he got hurt.  

no argument there. wholeheartedly agree.

[BillsSbSoon]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

I’m stunned that anyone could feel good about what they saw from Josh Allen on Sunday. Yes, there were certainly times when he was let down by his surrounding cast.  And yes, he’s certainly shown things in previous games to give a guy hope.  Also he was going against Belichick who has destroyed rookie QBs throughout his career so the performance should be taken with a grain of salt. But last Sunday Allen was brutally bad.

 

Brutally bad is way off imo. We have really nobody helping him besides foster who lost a perfectly placed bomb in the sun. Croom fumbles on a critical drive, thomas drops a td, i mean come on. We never win a 50/50 ball. He probably should have thrown for over 300 yesterday

[PlayoffsPlease]

1 hour ago, BillyWhiteShows said:

 

The Rams and Bears would beg to differ 

Yes, but the Rams and Bears did that in 2018.   As Bills fans we must use view things through the lens of an 80 year old fan that wants to have Vince Lombardi running power sweeps, and pretend free agency isn't a thing. 

[Bing Bong]

Omg he wasn't good. He wasn't bad either. Do we want a QB that wasn't good though? You can watch a game a million times and whatever preconception you have before going in and watching it is going to tell you who's at fault every play. He ran a crap offense with crap personnel you don't need to rewatch it.

[Steptide]

I'm still looking and can't find that crowd that's always blaming Allen. Anyone who watched yesterday knows his recievers didn't help him at all. He makes mistakes, and throws some bad interceptions at times, but overall, ive seen very little people thinking this team is bad because of Allen 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

11 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I'm still looking and can't find that crowd that's always blaming Allen. Anyone who watched yesterday knows his recievers didn't help him at all. He makes mistakes, and throws some bad interceptions at times, but overall, ive seen very little people thinking this team is bad because of Allen 

 

C.biscuit

zip code

 

in this thread alone. Could find more

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, that’s the part I hate. Allen is a rookie on a bad offense (the same people who picked him built this offense).  So he gets some slack.

 

 But to pretend like other QBs won’t make plays with this ground is just silly.  Minus Moss, Brady made stars out of scrubs.  People used to talk about how terrible the Steelers and Seahawks oline were but Big Ben and Wilson still made plays and won.  Mahomes is missing his 2nd receiver, pro bowl rb, and still makes plays. Hell, Nick Mullen’s plays with crap and is a better passer.  

 

Allen does some great things.  But the excuses are so old.  Hopefully, we upgrade the oline and get Julio and AJ Green so we can stop with the excuse making.  

 

Merry Christams! 

They are not old if they are true

and Ben r?  So much wrong with that example sir 

[Trogdor]

2 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said:

There were much worse culprits than Allen yesterday.  He continues to be the best player they have on offense.  He did commit two bad INT’s, but you really can’t fault him.

 

Also, I stand my claim that if Foster actually catches that long pass for a TD it’s a completely different game.

Why? Those were terrible throws and he deserves the blame. Those weren't hidden coverage or anything either. He did the same head scratching type stuff I'm college too. He has show some upside yes, but that doesn't mean you should absolve him of his mistakes.

[34-78-83]

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

 

 

We need players that will fight for the ball or win the matchup when the GAME IS ON THE LINE.....you now......playmakers like Josh Allen....we need more Josh Allens at other positions

It's possible

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/12/07/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-josh-allen/

[Trogdor]

42 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

C.biscuit

zip code

 

in this thread alone. Could find more

I mean you could be added to the he never does anything wrong group. It's easy to just call out people with different opinions. 

[Bookie Man]

I think Josh has been ok as a rookie considering how bad the run game has been and level of talent at WR and OL. Looking forward to see how he looks with a better OL and (hopeful) upgrades at skill positions.

[Augie]

3 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

 

Well it won't be the Goat either.

 

Didn't see many highlight reels on his game play.  

 

But his run game could pound the ball right down our throats just like......well, not us......but maybe some other team with an actual run game. 

[Nick the Greek]

Can’t expect the receivers to haul in every catch. No team could pull that off.

 

however, our receivers pull in half the balls they dropped, we MIGHT have a different game. Maybe, just maybe. 

[billspro]

27 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

It's possible

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/12/07/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-josh-allen/

 

DK Metcalf looks special. Without injuries he would probably be talked about like Green, Jones, and Johnson were entering the draft.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Allen has not been very good this season. He is erratic, but sometimes brilliant in his play. It's averaging out to 175-200 yards passing per game, 1 TD, a low completion percentage, with turnovers. Frankly, isn't that exactly what he was at Wyoming?  

 

Now it goes beyond Allen of course, our running backs are slow. The Bills WRs are not real NFL players. They're largely undrafted training camp cuts being forced into starting. All that talk of Zay Jones taking meaningful steps forwards have stopped. 

 

I agree with Jeremy White, the Bills have dumpster dived on offense and this is the result. 

 

I don't see how fans can really measure "progress" with Allen or this offense. Are the Bills really getting more competitive week in and week out? When they win it's tight and low scoring, when they lose the offense can't muster more than 14-17 points. I guess it doesn't look like the Chargers game or Ravens game, but that largely went away after McDermott took control of the defense. 

 

The Dolphins stink. Allen threw 40 times against New England. Let's see if he can put up 300 yards and 2 TDs. That's the beginning of the bar. 

 

   

[dubs]

This was actually exactly what I expected this year. And that’s a good thing. Lots of promise from Josh Allen. Mistakes across the board from JA and the rest of the team, but things that get fixed when the FO gets another draft and some free agents in here. 

 

Not sure how anyone can watch that game and not see the Pats on a decline and the Bills with actual promise. 

 

Merry Christmas all!

 

- Dubs

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, BillsSbSoon said:

 

Brutally bad is way off imo. We have really nobody helping him besides foster who lost a perfectly placed bomb in the sun. Croom fumbles on a critical drive, thomas drops a td, i mean come on. We never win a 50/50 ball. He probably should have thrown for over 300 yesterday

 

Allen had his worst game since coming back IMO.  He was inaccurate way too often, he made some really bad decisions and he missed too many reads. His stats were helped by the garbage time QB drive. ESPN has him ranked second last in Total QBR this week with a 17 overall.  Only Kessler is behind him.  He was dead last in Unadjusted QBR. 

Edited December 25, 2018 by BarleyNY

[row_33]

1 minute ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Allen had his worst game since coming back IMO.  He was inaccurate way too often, he made some really bad decisions and he missed too many reads. His stats were helped by the garbage time QB drive. ESPN has him ranked second last in QBR this week with a 17 overall. Only Kessler is behind him. 

 

It was his first time against a coaching staff that prepped for him

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

It was his first time against a coaching staff that prepped for him

 

Complete nonsense

[row_33]

Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

Complete nonsense

 

The Pats prep and make adjustments during the game, almost no other team does that, they were the first to put a spy on Allen.

 

 

[BarleyNY]

7 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

It was his first time against a coaching staff that prepped for him

 

The network showed a stat on Belichick vs rookie QBs at home.  The stats were brutal and he’s never lost to one as the Pats coach.  No way should Allen have fared well today - and he sure didn’t.  I just don’t see how anyone is saying otherwise. 

Edited December 25, 2018 by BarleyNY

[row_33]

The Jets and Fish and Lions are total crap compared to the Pats for prep and adjustments, none of them were remotely ready for Allen chaotic runs for his life.

1 minute ago, BarleyNY said:

 

The network showed a stat on Belichick vs rookie QBs.  The stats were brutal and he’s never lost to one as the Pats coach.  No way should Allen have fared well today - and he sure didn’t.  I just don’t see how anyone is saying otherwise. 

 

Its why they won their 10th straight division, no other team does their homework like this one

[Stank_Nasty]

33 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

The Pats prep and make adjustments during the game, almost no other team does that, they were the first to put a spy on Allen.

 

 

I’m fairly certain the lions had a spy on him plenty. So did the fins. The fins were just awful with it though. 

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I’m fairly certain the lions had a spy on him plenty. So did the fins. The fins were just awful with it though. 

Kiko wants no part of that replay! 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

 

The network showed a stat on Belichick vs rookie QBs at home.  The stats were brutal and he’s never lost to one as the Pats coach.  No way should Allen have fared well today - and he sure didn’t.  I just don’t see how anyone is saying otherwise. 

Yet despite all that we were 2 td drops from making this a competitive game

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Allen has not been very good this season. He is erratic, but sometimes brilliant in his play. It's averaging out to 175-200 yards passing per game, 1 TD, a low completion percentage, with turnovers. Frankly, isn't that exactly what he was at Wyoming?  

 

Now it goes beyond Allen of course, our running backs are slow. The Bills WRs are not real NFL players. They're largely undrafted training camp cuts being forced into starting. All that talk of Zay Jones taking meaningful steps forwards have stopped. 

 

I agree with Jeremy White, the Bills have dumpster dived on offense and this is the result. 

 

I don't see how fans can really measure "progress" with Allen or this offense. Are the Bills really getting more competitive week in and week out? When they win it's tight and low scoring, when they lose the offense can't muster more than 14-17 points. I guess it doesn't look like the Chargers game or Ravens game, but that largely went away after McDermott took control of the defense. 

 

The Dolphins stink. Allen threw 40 times against New England. Let's see if he can put up 300 yards and 2 TDs. That's the beginning of the bar. 

 

   

I get visions of pass catchers catching the td passes they have flat dropped

that alone will look like improvement from josh allen

[Mark Vader]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Josh wasn't THE reason we lost. He was A reason though. It was not a good performance. 

 

No need to lose our minds over a rookie QB being made to look like a rookie QB by the greatest defensive cheating mind in the game. 

 

Bad day at the office and a learning experience. 

Fixed

[BillsFan130]

7 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, that’s the part I hate. Allen is a rookie on a bad offense (the same people who picked him built this offense).  So he gets some slack.

 

 But to pretend like other QBs won’t make plays with this ground is just silly.  Minus Moss, Brady made stars out of scrubs.  People used to talk about how terrible the Steelers and Seahawks oline were but Big Ben and Wilson still made plays and won.  Mahomes is missing his 2nd receiver, pro bowl rb, and still makes plays. Hell, Nick Mullen’s plays with crap and is a better passer.  

 

Allen does some great things.  But the excuses are so old.  Hopefully, we upgrade the oline and get Julio and AJ Green so we can stop with the excuse making.  

 

Merry Christams! 

Missing Hunt and Watkins. Basically their 3rd and 4th weapons in that offence behind Hill and Kelce. 

 

To show the difference of how big of a difference the chiefs weapons are from the bills, think of it this way.

 

Benjamin can barely get on the field for the Chiefs. And for the Bills he was their "number 1" receiver... And that's even WITH Watkins being out of the lineup.

 

And this is not even talking about the differences between the offensive lines and Andy Reid vs Daboll for offensive schemes.

 

Would I take Mahomes over Allen? Absolutely. But the supporting casts are night and day for these two young QBS.

Edited December 25, 2018 by BillsFan130

[JMF2006]

8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, but they completely commit to their franchise qb and got an innovative offensive coach.  We are going to keep the OC of the 31st ranked offense for continuity.

 

Pretty hard to implement your scheme with no running game.

 

A running game and one Hopkins type receiver and Ertz type TE and watch us roll up the W's.

[Buffalo Ballin]

Hell yeah, Josh Allen is part of the reason why we lost the game. 20 - 41 completions. Dude,  if Tom Brady/Russell Wilson/Cam Newton completed 20/41 completions in a game and lost that game, I would be criticizing them, too.

 

Even when we get better receivers and RB, Josh Allen will not hit the accuracy level of Russell Wilson and Tom Brady. Josh didn't show this at Wyoming AND he's not showing that right now.

 

He's a rookie. No kidding. Duh. But most of you guys anointed Josh Allen as the next Jim Kelly, Marino, and Elway. That's sad. You guys praise him like that then he will get criticized. No problem. On Josh Allen's best days (which I haven't seen yet), that's really Jim Kelly's bad games.

 

And I have given Josh Allen his props, but I know he's not the next Jim Kelly. Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold are way better right now than Josh Allen.

 

 

Edited December 25, 2018 by Buffalo Ballin

[FeelingOnYouboty]

He was bad. His teammates were worse.

[Scott7975]

5 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

The Pats prep and make adjustments during the game, almost no other team does that, they were the first to put a spy on Allen.

 

 

No they were not.  Detroit and Miami did as well.  Making adjustments in game is something all teams do.  It also has nothing to do with not preparing for him during the week.  Jesus man.

Edited December 25, 2018 by Scott7975

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 hours ago, Trogdor said:

I mean you could be added to the he never does anything wrong group. It's easy to just call out people with different opinions. 

 

Someone asked for examples, I provided them. I’ll add you to the list. Coal in your stocking 

[row_33]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

No they were not.  Detroit and Miami did as well.  Making adjustments in game is something all teams do.  It also has nothing to do with not preparing for him during the week.  Jesus man.

 

Barely any teams make useful adjustments.

 

they have their plan and if it doesn’t work out, they shrug and lose

 

Belichick is one of the greatest ever at real time effective adjustments

[Gray Beard]

53 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Barely any teams make useful adjustments.

 

they have their plan and if it doesn’t work out, they shrug and lose

 

Belichick is one of the greatest ever at real time effective adjustments

I think you are right.  I’m amazed at the lack of adjustments. Maybe they decide more run versus pass, or more blitzing, or something simple like that, but I think most of the time  the adjustments are not as significant as people would like them to be. 

[formerlyofCtown]

13 hours ago, Thriftygamer83 said:

The guys had one job to catch the ball.  Josh and Daboll found the weaknesses.  And, we were let down by immature players in receiver roles who have given up or found excuses not to take hits or put themselves out there.  If I were Foster secondaries know if they hit me hard enough I’ll find a way to say I lost the ball instead of taking the hit.  A reason why he was on the practice squad.  Lots of the defensive call ups have helped and made impacts.  Foster being a “nice find” is realistically a trade value flip.  Along with Croom and Zay flip them for picks or teams that have a sucker in the front office they are there.  

Yup and then we have to get another WR and 1 and 2 TE.  We need another WR and TE already.  Croom is a viable #2 TE both are young and still developing.  They are going no where.  Zay actually had a decent game just not where I would like to see his level of play at next year.