Updated 2019 NFL draft order after Week 14: Bills draft 6th!!

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Like the Jeffersons, we are moving on up!! Best scenario for the next three weeks: put in strong efforts like the last two weeks to build a winning tradition with Josh Allen, but lose the games to get a higher draft pick.

 

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2018/12/10/18134925/2019-nfl-draft-order-bengals-outside-top-10-49ers-jets-falcons-raiders

 

1. San Francisco 3-10

2. Arizona 3-10

3. Oakland 3-10

4. Atlanta 4-9

5. New York Jets 4-9

6. Buffalo 4-9

7. Jacksonville 4-9

8. Tampa Bay 5-8

9. New York Giants 5-8

10. Detroit 5-8

11. Cincinnati 5-8

12. Green Bay  5-7-1

13. Cleveland 5-7-1

14. Washington 6-7

15. Carolina 6-7

16. Philadelphia 6-7

17. Denver 6-7

18. Miami 7-6

19. Indianapolis 7-6

20. Tennessee 7-6

 

[JinxedBill1]

[cle23]

Build a winning tradition.........by losing?

[atlbillsfan1975]

That is a whole lot of mediocrity. 

 

[ProcessYaDigg]

I don't know how we're gonna outsuck SF, Arizona, and the Raiders.  And let's be real, the Bills aren't playing to draft high.  McD tries to get as much out of his players as possible to see what he's built and what he needs to do to add to it.  Plus, we're gonna beat the Lions and Dolphins, so let's go ahead and get out of that mind set that we're gonna lose out.  It ain't happening.

[John from Riverside]

17 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

That is a whole lot of mediocrity. 

 

Actually its not

 

Going 8 and 8 and drafting out of the top 10 is Mediocrity

 

This is rebiulding......and drafting in the money rounds

[Joeziehmer]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Actually its not

 

Going 8 and 8 and drafting out of the top 10 is Mediocrity

 

This is rebiulding......and drafting in the money rounds

Going 8-8 after a 9-7 playoff appearance was more acceptable then going 4-9 and watching home ticket prices drop to $5-$6 bucks.  It looks like Baltimore not drafting in the money rounds actually got them a pretty good mobile Quarterback who can also pass.  While in tanking mode McDermott started Nate Peterman pretty much indefensible.  And, yet Baltimore looks playoff bound with real Coaching f and management and we look like McClappy was a limp little mat fish.  We have management just not a Coach who’s ever worth a damn.  

Edited December 11, 2018 by Joeziehmer

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Joeziehmer said:

Going 8-8 after a 9-7 playoff appearance was more acceptable then going 4-9 and watching home ticket prices drop to $5-$6 bucks.  It looks like Baltimore not drafting in the money rounds actually got them a pretty good mobile Quarterback who can also pass.  While in tanking mode McDermott started Nate Peterman pretty much indefensible.  And, yet Baltimore looks playoff bound with real Coachinf and management and we look like McClappy was a limp little mat fish.  

No its not...its the same thing we have been doing for 17 years

 

Its time for something different

[Your Brown Eye]

 

[Joeziehmer]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

No its not...its the same thing we have been doing for 17 years

 

Its time for something different

Yeah, tell that to the kids crying after that blowout loss to the Bears.  Watching the after video of fans who were completely demoralized and expected at least something.  No fight to the mat fish McDermott whatsoever.  So, now it comes down to team cohesiveness and the team gelling together which takes a year or two tops for even the most experienced Coaches and even the most talented.  So did you smile as Peterman threw all those picks in blowout losses?  You don’t exactly strike me as a fan just something to business to you.  

[Dopey]

34 minutes ago, cle23 said:

Build a winning tradition.........by losing?

Let's see if it works for the Sabres 1st.

[Joeziehmer]

So for all of the blowout losses and confidence as well as profitability margins it’s worth it for some fans.  It’s not exactly inspiring confidence to go for the “money shot” when it takes time for draft picks and free agents to fit into the team chemistry and makeup.  Which means now more of the same 7-9 or 8-8 without really seeing anything but glimpses on what could be.  

Just now, Dopey said:

Let's see if it works for the Sabres 1st.

Actually they are riding a five game losing streak with them Bruinsand my Boys Le Habs nipping at their heels.  

 

[The Senator]

6 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said:

 

 

Um, thanks, I guess, but I really wish you hadn’t posted that visual ?

[atlbillsfan1975]

27 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Actually its not

 

Going 8 and 8 and drafting out of the top 10 is Mediocrity

 

This is rebiulding......and drafting in the money rounds

You missed my point which most likely means I didn’t do a great job explaining. It seems like a ton of teams are mediocre this year. 

[Doc Brown]

Best case scenario is we're aggressive this offseason like the Bears were last offseason where they signed Robinson, Gabriel, and Burton to help Trubisky.  They also bolstered their defense significantly by signing Mack and drafting Smith.  

[RiotAct]

I wonder who the first team to draft a QB is going to be?

[Success]

I’ve never been a “let’s tank” guy, and wanted to win the last 2 games - but in a way, they worked out perfectly.  Allen and the team were competitive and got good experience, but we’re still in position to get a real impact player.

 

Things are shaping up well for next year if they can put another good draft together.

[TigerJ]

1 hour ago, Circlethewagon8404 said:

I don't know how we're gonna outsuck SF, Arizona, and the Raiders.  And let's be real, the Bills aren't playing to draft high.  McD tries to get as much out of his players as possible to see what he's built and what he needs to do to add to it.  Plus, we're gonna beat the Lions and Dolphins, so let's go ahead and get out of that mind set that we're gonna lose out.  It ain't happening.

I don't expect Buffalo will be drafting in the top 3, but I do think they will be in the 4-6 range.  They will lose to New England, and without run blocking, they will find it hard to beat Detroit or Miami.  They could easily lose 2 games, and might lose all three.  They will be without Matt Milano, and will be playing a 3rd or 4th string CB across from Tre White on defense.

[billsredneck1]

they need to close out on a high note and win the next 3.  mcd take over the defense. demote juan and give daboll full control. fire crossman and promote interim....of course firing juan, crossman and culley after the last game.

22 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

I wonder who the first team to draft a QB is going to be?

who knows?  but if it's a few spots lower than us, we could get an extra 2nd.  tb,  nyg, balt. or cincy? ya never know....

[Putin]

1 hour ago, Circlethewagon8404 said:

I don't know how we're gonna outsuck SF, Arizona, and the Raiders.  And let's be real, the Bills aren't playing to draft high.  McD tries to get as much out of his players as possible to see what he's built and what he needs to do to add to it.  Plus, we're gonna beat the Lions and Dolphins, so let's go ahead and get out of that mind set that we're gonna lose out.  It ain't happening.

 I don’t mind if we lose out 

As long as Allen keeps taking steps forward with his progression and learns from  the mistakes that he’s making or will make in the next few games , the W’s right now ( IMO ) are meaningless  UNLESS it’s a win because of Allen playing very  well , 

as a fan of course I want to win every game , but let’s be honest would you be happy with a win ( let’s say ) because of a defense/or the Lions play like garbage and we get 5 turnovers BUT Allen looks terrible? 

The only Game I want to WIN this year and I don’t care how we win is against the pats***

 

 

[Albany,n.y.]

What many people seem to misunderstand is there is a huge difference between a fan rooting for losses and a team trying to lose.  We as fans can root for losses and better draft choices because it is not our jobs to try to win every game.  It is the team members and management who need to try to win every game.  If a fan wants a higher draft choice instead of a meaningless win, that's the  fan's right to do so.  If a team tanks, they are disrespecting the game.  Nobody who is rooting for a lose out wants the team to go in the tank.  If you can't tell the difference you are blurring the line between player and fan.  I know I'm not on the team and I have no direct connection whether the team wins or loses.  I can root as hard as I want for a win or loss and it means nothing to the actual result.

[JimKellyTryouts]

We won't beat NE so the best we'll do is 6-10 and will be in good enough position for a player we'll really like. Lots of people keep obsessing over a higher draft spot and I've said it quite a few times in these threads over the season, but I really don't think it's going to matter since this draft is DL heavy and we'll likely want to get OL. 

Edited December 11, 2018 by JimKellyTryouts

[Pete]

It would be so Billsy to win the last 3, and drop from 6 draft slot to 17

7-9 seasons beget 7-9 seasons.  That is how you build decades of mediocrity

[TigerJ]

10 hours ago, Pete said:

It would be so Billsy to win the last 3, and drop from 6 draft slot to 17

7-9 seasons beget 7-9 seasons.  That is how you build decades of mediocrity

I disagree on a couple of points.  First, if the Bills were to win out, they would draft in the 10-13 range.  Second, New England somehow manages to ge a division leader every year despite drafting in th  26-32 slot.  Buffalo was mired in mediocrity not because they drafted in the middle of the round.  There were two reasons they were mediocre for so long.  One - they drafted lousy for years.  Hi round draft picks would stick for a couple years, then wash out or get traded because they didn't fit what Buffalo was doing.  Second, there has been a total lack of continuity.  New coaching staffs, new offensive and defensive schemes, and new GMs every few years, and the resulting high turnover in personnel does not allow for the development of a winning program.

[Spielman]

Based on the draft value charts, the #6 pick is pretty valuable.  I would like to see us trade down to 15-20 and pick up another 2nd and 3rd .  This would give us 5 picks in the first 3 rounds.   I'd grab Kelvin Harmon, Cody Ford, Damien Harris, Kaden Smith, and Parris Campbell in those rounds.   

[Victory Formation]

I think #6 should be Jeffery Simmons, Quinnen Williams or Ed Oliver. We need an elite front 7 guy. Pickup a C and G in FA and we'll be in a good spot to take one of these guys. Kyle could come back in 2019 and rotate behind them. Take like 3 OL RDS 2-5.

[John from Riverside]

13 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

You missed my point which most likely means I didn’t do a great job explaining. It seems like a ton of teams are mediocre this year. 

Your right sir....I totally missed it sorry about that

[Pete]

5 minutes ago, Spielman said:

Based on the draft value charts, the #6 pick is pretty valuable.  I would like to see us trade down to 15-20 and pick up another 2nd and 3rd .  This would give us 5 picks in the first 3 rounds.   I'd grab Kelvin Harmon, Cody Ford, Damien Harris, Kaden Smith, and Parris Campbell in those rounds.   

Last year we gave 12 53 55 to move up to 7.  Yes the 6 is uber valuable.  The 13th not so much. Every year there are elite players concentrated at top.  Sure great players are found every round.  But players like Sanquan are found at top of draft

1 hour ago, TigerJ said:

I disagree on a couple of points.  First, if the Bills were to win out, they would draft in the 10-13 range.  Second, New England somehow manages to ge a division leader every year despite drafting in th  26-32 slot.  Buffalo was mired in mediocrity not because they drafted in the middle of the round.  There were two reasons they were mediocre for so long.  One - they drafted lousy for years.  Hi round draft picks would stick for a couple years, then wash out or get traded because they didn't fit what Buffalo was doing.  Second, there has been a total lack of continuity.  New coaching staffs, new offensive and defensive schemes, and new GMs every few years, and the resulting high turnover in personnel does not allow for the development of a winning program.

Record	Finish (Regular / Post Season)		Coach
2017	9-7-0	3rd -- AFC East	0-1 - Lost Wild Card Playoffs	Sean McDermott	Roster / Stats
2016	7-9-0	3rd -- AFC East	--	Rex Ryan, Anthony Lynn	Roster / Stats
2015	8-8-0	3rd -- AFC East	--	Rex Ryan	Roster / Stats
2014	9-7-0	2nd -- AFC East	--	Doug Marrone	Roster / Stats
2013	6-10-0	4th -- AFC East	--	Doug Marrone	Roster / Stats
2012	6-10-0	4th -- AFC East	--	Chan Gailey	Roster / Stats
2011	6-10-0	T3rd -- AFC East	--	Chan Gailey	Roster / Stats
2010	4-12-0	4th -- AFC East	--	Chan Gailey	Roster / Stats
2009	6-10-0	4th -- AFC East	--	Dick Jauron, Perry Fewell	Roster / Stats
2008	7-9-0	4th -- AFC East	--	Dick Jauron	Roster / Stats
2007	7-9-0	2nd -- AFC East	--	Dick Jauron	Roster / Stats
2006	7-9-0	3rd -- AFC East	--	Dick Jauron	Roster / Stats
2005	5-11-0	3rd -- AFC East	--	Mike Mularkey	Roster / Stats
2004	9-7-0	3rd -- AFC East	--	Mike Mularkey	Roster / Stats
2003	6-10-0	T3rd -- AFC East	--	Gregg Williams	Roster / Stats
2002	8-8-0	4th -- AFC East

[Pete]

and yes we have drafted horribly the past two decades.  But it's different if New England is coming drafting coming off Superbowl victory filling in holes.  We continually need a roster overhaul.Currently we need 3-4 new offensive line, a pass rusher, a CB, 1-2 WR, RB.  Winning out and 7-9 is a nice moral victory.  But myopic for the long term.  It's much easier to build for future with pick #6 than 13.  Its great to have options

we would of never drafted OJ if we went 7-9

[RochesterRob]

14 hours ago, Circlethewagon8404 said:

I don't know how we're gonna outsuck SF, Arizona, and the Raiders.  And let's be real, the Bills aren't playing to draft high.  McD tries to get as much out of his players as possible to see what he's built and what he needs to do to add to it.  Plus, we're gonna beat the Lions and Dolphins, so let's go ahead and get out of that mind set that we're gonna lose out.  It ain't happening.

  Dolphins will need to play hard to the end as things look now so I see losses to them and NE as the injuries mount (Bodine and Milano).   Probably finish 5-11 and roughly the same position (slots 5-8) in the draft. 
 

[MrEpsYtown]

22 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

I think #6 should be Jeffery Simmons, Quinnen Williams or Ed Oliver. We need an elite front 7 guy. Pickup a C and G in FA and we'll be in a good spot to take one of these guys. Kyle could come back in 2019 and rotate behind them. Take like 3 OL RDS 2-5.

 

I think Simmons will drop simply because there is a video of him punching a woman. It was awhile ago, but it will all be brought to forefront again especially given teh Kareem Hunt stuff. 

[RochesterRob]

1 hour ago, TigerJ said:

I disagree on a couple of points.  First, if the Bills were to win out, they would draft in the 10-13 range.  Second, New England somehow manages to ge a division leader every year despite drafting in th  26-32 slot.  Buffalo was mired in mediocrity not because they drafted in the middle of the round.  There were two reasons they were mediocre for so long.  One - they drafted lousy for years.  Hi round draft picks would stick for a couple years, then wash out or get traded because they didn't fit what Buffalo was doing.  Second, there has been a total lack of continuity.  New coaching staffs, new offensive and defensive schemes, and new GMs every few years, and the resulting high turnover in personnel does not allow for the development of a winning program.

  The Bills of 2000-2010 are not the same Bills as today.  I loved Ralph but he was part of the problem.  We reached on too many 1st round picks and he should have nipped Donahue sooner.  Ralph still loved the game but he could not properly evaluate the direction of the team.

[Victory Formation]

11 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I think Simmons will drop simply because there is a video of him punching a woman. It was awhile ago, but it will all be brought to forefront again especially given teh Kareem Hunt stuff. 

Did not know that.

[LSHMEAB]

14 hours ago, Joeziehmer said:

Yeah, tell that to the kids crying after that blowout loss to the Bears. 

What kids?

They should just go into these games with the mindset that the game ends at the 7:30 mark of the 4th quarter and then roll over after that.

Edited December 11, 2018 by LSHMEAB

[Joeziehmer]

29 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  The Bills of 2000-2010 are not the same Bills as today.  I loved Ralph but he was part of the problem.  We reached on too many 1st round picks and he should have nipped Donahue sooner.  Ralph still loved the game but he could not properly evaluate the direction of the team.

Ralph’s daughter Linda died of cancer in the early 2000’s and they bonded over the Bills.  Linda Brogdan (Wilson) had been tired of losing. She put forward bringing in Polian, Levy, and acted as a scout who went in early and stayed well after even they left.  Up until her death she was still working scouting even with the diagnoses for that though can see why it was such a heavy weight for Ralph to carry.  

19 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

What kids?

They should just go into these games with the mindset that the game ends at the 7:30 mark of the 4th quarter and then roll over after that.

Should be in that clip a dad took his daughter to see the game.  

Edited December 11, 2018 by Joeziehmer

[BuffaloBaumer]

Detroit game will determine a lot. If they lose that, most likely picking between 7 and 9

[Jerry Jabber]

During the playoff drought, the Bills average finish was between 6-10/7-9, by which the Bills average draft position was between 8-13. That was not high enough to draft elite player, but it was bad enough the Bills wasted how many first round picks on DB's and RB's during that period. While no one wants to see the Bills purposely lose, strategically, it would be better for them to lose out, get the highest draft pick they can get (which hopefully will be a Top 5 pick) that is an elite player who can make an immediate impact on the team. The Bills have a lot of holes on this team, so they need all the help they can get. The Bills are not making the playoffs this year and there will be a lot of turnover, so they might as well build for the future.

[Chuck Wagon]

Lose out!

 

I don't see San Fran winning with their remaining schedule, but I think we could get to #2 if we lose out, Arizona beats Atlanta, Atlanta beats Tampa, Oakland beats the Bengals, the Jags beat the Redskins and the Jets beat the Pats backups.

 

#2 is either Bosa or potentially trading Haskins (please come back) or Herbert for a bevy of draft picks.

[John from Riverside]

I think there is going to be a way for us to trade down and still get a quality OL or WR in the first round.......

 

I really think this is the way we should go. 

[MrEpsYtown]

 

1 hour ago, NewDayBills said:

Did not know that.

He's been very apologetic and took responsibility. I just wonder how much it will be re-hashed over and over. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXIkNKXyHW4

 

Sorry I don't know how to do those cool links where the video is embedded or whatever. 

Edited December 11, 2018 by MrEpsYtown