Josh Allen now has more rushing yards on the season than Lesean McCoy

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, Kemp said:

Allen takes longer to throw than anyone and has a worse completion percentage than everyone. That is not a recipe for success.

This is true. If it continues with improved personnel , McD and Beane will be gone as well as Allen and a new QB will be drafted. As fans we don’t control this. We’ll just have to see what happens. The Bills are going nowhere with the offense as it’s currently constructed. 

[Jerome007]

1 hour ago, PIP said:

Mccoy is a wasted roster spot. Getting outplayed by no names

What? Not on the team that's for sure. You saw Ivory and Murphy light it up today? Next year they better get two good linemen through FA and at least one great speedy WR. Everytime Allen had time today, which was rare,  he threw on target. One or two good runs all day besides by Josh. Our OL is weak, and their pay reflects that. I'd say it's priority #1.

[Chicken Boo]

54 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Take a look at how long Allen holds onto the ball compared to every other NFL QB and try and explain it as a bad offensive line: (TT column)

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards.

 

Didn't you know?  Nothing is ever Allen's fault.  He's perfect just the way he is.  

[Dr.Sack]

How many drops today? I remember Clay & Jones dropping some easy ones. Point is Clay makes that catch Allen probably doesn’t fumble two plays later scrambling on 3rd down. 

[Turk71]

I don't think the Bills have even one receiver worthy of starting in the NFL. They also have one of the worst offensive lines in the league. Add that together with the fact that Allen is a rookie who was known to need development ...........Expecting him to thrive in those conditions is unrealistic, get a decent line and a couple good wrs and see how he does next season. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Cant believe no QB has ever ran for 100 yards in a row since 1951. That is pretty impressive on our boy's part.

 

 

[Turk71]

The fact that Mccoy is the highest paid rb in the league this year is laughable. The Bills need young talent at the position and cannot afford to allocate 9 mil cap space to McCoy again next year imo. Cutting him saves 6.5 mil cap with a 2.5 dead hit. If he was willing to take a pay cut they could keep him, I am quite sure that no other team will pay him 9 million.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

9 hours ago, Helpmenow said:

A bunch of journey men on the Ol. Except Dawkins 

 

Dawkins ain't great either.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

The fact that Mccoy is the highest paid rb in the league this year is laughable. The Bills need young talent at the position and cannot afford to allocate 9 mil cap space to McCoy again next year imo. Cutting him saves 6.5 mil cap with a 2.5 dead hit. If he was willing to take a pay cut they could keep him, I am quite sure that no other team will pay him 9 million.

 

they really should have traded him. I think they are too loyal to players which is bad when they are past their prime but it makes for harder play from the players and is part of the culture/family they want to develop. It may not be the best personnel policy but i think the trade off is worth it.

 

 

[Turk71]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Dawkins ain't great either.

 

 

 

they really should have traded him. I think they are too loyal to players which is bad when they are past their prime but it makes for harder play from the players and is part of the culture/family they want to develop. It may not be the best personnel policy but i think the trade off is worth it.

 

 

That probably factors into it, trading him with his top rb in the league contract may have been difficult as well. Another big contract and unnecessary extension/restructure that the Bills need to move on from. I hope they decide to get younger at the position. McCoy can still play but not at that salary. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

That probably factors into it, trading him with his top rb in the league contract may have been difficult as well. Another big contract and unnecessary extension/restructure that the Bills need to move on from. I hope they decide to get younger at the position. McCoy can still play but not at that salary. 

 

Whaley, again. Worst cap management GM maybe ever.

[fansince88]

11 hours ago, pad12 said:

and a talented running mate for Mccoy as well 

I was at the game yesterday. Conversation in 114 was the same as I am about to say. McCoy is done.

[The Red King]

11 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Didn't you know?  Nothing is ever Allen's fault.  He's perfect just the way he is.  

 

Didn't you know, everything is Allen's fault.  The line and receivers are fine as is. ?

[Chicken Boo]

3 hours ago, The Red King said:

 

Didn't you know, everything is Allen's fault.  The line and receivers are fine as is. ?

 

So when he has a good game, it's the "greatness of Allen", but when he has a bad game it's everyone else's fault.

 

Gotcha.

[The Red King]

4 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

So when he has a good game, it's the "greatness of Allen", but when he has a bad game it's everyone else's fault.

 

Gotcha.

 

Or...the truth is in-between.  He's not as terrible as the doom and gloom crowd suggests, and at the same time, Allen is still showing rookie mistakes.  There are parts of his game that need to improve.  I think they will, but I'm not going to say it's a certainty.  I replied the way I did because either absolute at this point, is silly.

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

So when he has a good game, it's the "greatness of Allen", but when he has a bad game it's everyone else's fault.

 

Gotcha.

If you cannot see the piss poor protection, lack of running game, dropped balls (to include touchdowns) whether Josh does well or does not do well on the day

 

Then I dont know what to tell you....your lost

[PittsforDave]

Disappointing. McCoy with his dancing and not hitting holes are evident. 

 

He seems hesitant and afraid to get hurt. 

 

Let him sit the rest of the year.

 

He has definitely lost a step. 

[Chicken Boo]

5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

If you cannot see the piss poor protection, lack of running game, dropped balls (to include touchdowns) whether Josh does well or does not do well on the day

 

Then I dont know what to tell you....your lost

 

If you can't see the happy feet, slow eyes and hit or miss accuracy then I don't know what to tell you.

 

Josh Allen is what everyone thought he was coming out of Wyoming.  Why the shock and awe when it gets pointed out?  Yes, he's a rookie and has less than ideal talen around him.  That doesn't make him above criticism.  Some of it is on him!

[John from Riverside]

13 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

If you can't see the happy feet, slow eyes and hit or miss accuracy then I don't know what to tell you.

 

Josh Allen is what everyone thought he was coming out of Wyoming.  Why the shock and awe when it gets pointed out?  Yes, he's a rookie and has less than ideal talen around him.  That doesn't make him above criticism.  Some of it is on him!

Some

 

He has also improved his game since Wyoming

[NoHuddleKelly12]

On 12/9/2018 at 6:10 PM, Kemp said:

 

I don't know if it's still true, but as of a few weeks ago, Allen was holding onto the ball longer than every other QB in the NFL. That's on him.

Not to make too fine a point on it, but I believe that’s also because they included time spent running around extending plays outside the pocket behind the LOS. I may be mistaken but am pretty sure that’s the case. It’s not like he has had a clean pocket to sit in for 4 + secs surveying the field between the tackles normally like TB12...if anything he’s buying extra time to allow the longer range route combinations to develop, for those times that he goes deep. Not a very helpful stat in that comparative context IMO. I believe Watson was right there with him, also a guy who doesn’t necessarily just sit in the pocket. 

Edited December 11, 2018 by NoHuddleKelly12

[HOUSE]

Great Scott!!

Edited December 11, 2018 by HOUSE

[TheFunPolice]

Sadly McCoy runs feel like wasted downs this season

[Augie]

Three games left, Shady is hurt....does Josh double him for the season???

[Big Turk]

On 12/9/2018 at 6:25 PM, Kemp said:

 

Brady turns crap receivers into good ones. Tyrod did the opposite. So far, Allen is like Tyrod.

Robert Foster and McKenzie are starting to look pretty good, so I'm not sure what you are referring to...

 

[Nelius]

Also has more than Dion Lewis, Kenyan Drake...and every QB in the league.

 

Crazy. I did not expect that when we drafted him. Of course everybody wants to see him put the passing game together but how is anybody whining about the QB adding 100 yards on the ground every game?

[BuffaloBob]

On 12/9/2018 at 6:25 PM, Kemp said:

 

Brady turns crap receivers into good ones. Tyrod did the opposite. So far, Allen is like Tyrod.

Funny, but I don’t recall Brady doing that as a rookie. 

[Augie]

9 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Robert Foster and McKenzie are starting to look pretty good, so I'm not sure what you are referring to...

 

 

Josh isn’t perfect, but these guys need to CATCH THE STINKIN’ BALL!

 

Who knew Foster could do more than a go route? It’s been at least interesting to watch, much different than early in the season. 

[BuffaloBob]

On 12/9/2018 at 6:35 PM, Kemp said:

 

You don't need a Brady to win but you do need a QB that can react and think quickly. It might also help if Allen was accurate more consistently.

 

I thought and still think that Mayfield will be good enough to win a Super Bowl. He was the best in college, and while it's still very early, he's the best of the crop, now.

 

You think it's a coincidence that the best QBs get rid of the ball fast?

What I find not a coincidence is virtually all of the great QBs of today were not getting rid of the ball all that fast when they were rookies, if they even played as rookies. 

On 12/9/2018 at 7:33 PM, Chicken Boo said:

 

Didn't you know?  Nothing is ever Allen's fault.  He's perfect just the way he is.  

What you don’t seem to appreciate is that he is a rookie, and is going to make mistakes.  He absolutely tried to make plays on those interceptions that were not there. He’ll learn. Funny, but I don’t recall Peyton Manning being even remotely mistake free as a rookie. Brett Favre was traded away after his rookie year, and his mistakes he made early in his career were well chronicled. Who knows that Brady and Rogers would have looked like as rookies, because they didn’t play early on. 

 

No no one here thinks Josh is perfect. NO ONE. Some of us just prefer to enjoy the good with the bad as he grows into the position. You know, because some of us are not deeply invested in proving ourselves right that he has problems and is going to be a bust. 

[WideNine]

15 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Josh isn’t perfect, but these guys need to CATCH THE STINKIN’ BALL!

 

Who knew Foster could do more than a go route? It’s been at least interesting to watch, much different than early in the season. 

 

McKenzie had good speed on that early sweep for the score, but seemed like he gradually lost a step against the Jets and was not as shifty later in the game. He is a key piece to stretching opposing defenses, and has been a solid play maker with that speed.

 

I had no idea that he had injured his toe at practice and was questionable for the game. The Bills are hurting all over their roster.

[Chicken Boo]

10 hours ago, BuffaloBob said:

No no one here thinks Josh is perfect. NO ONE. Some of us just prefer to enjoy the good with the bad as he grows into the position. You know, because some of us are not deeply invested in proving ourselves right that he has problems and is going to be a bust. 

 

No.  Many of you prefer to ONLY focus on the good while ignoring the bad, pretending it doesn't exist and attacking those that point it out. 

 

I'm rooting for Allen, but I have no problems bringing attention to facets of his game that need improvement. 

 

I am not and will not be a blind homer.

 

 

[Nihilarian]

What so many fans don't get is this rookie QB is starting behind one of the very worst offensive lines the Buffalo Bills have even fielded and it's even worse with some of those better scrubs out for the season. 

 

No run game other then trick plays or the QB running it. Most of the time his receivers can't get separation or even catch the ball. His line is always causing drive killing penalties and in this last game Dion Dawkins chop blocked a Jets player and those kind of blocks at the legs can end a career. That block infuriated that Jets player and lit a fire under the rest of that Jets team to hit hard and take off heads. 

 

Then factor in the Jerry Hughes situation with his calling out a ref for cursing at him so the league suspended that ref. Now look at all the holding by the Jets offense that wasn't being called. The Jets sacked Josh Allen 3 times and hit him 10 times. The Bills being one of the better teams in getting pressure on the QB came away with no sacks and not even one hit on Jets QBs. 

 

It's a team game and about the only bright spot on offense is the rookie QB.

[eball]

@Nihilarian and Robert Foster.

[row_33]

On 12/9/2018 at 5:40 PM, PeterDude said:

Yeah, because that's what you want your "franchise" QB to be doing...

 

Great...

 

 

panic runs between the 30s have got to be cut down

 

mostly they are garbagetime in the first place (the entire game against a Miami or Jets is honestly garbagetime...)

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 12/9/2018 at 5:37 PM, Protocal69 said:

490 to 479

Def have to get the OL right for next season for McCoy

 

Exactly how we drew it up.

[wppete]

 

 

[Dadonkadonk]

Two stats that prove the same thing.  The OL sucks. Can't run block and can't pass block.

[mjd1001]

I'm going to say that is is mostly the issue/fault with the bad offensive line play.  However, I also still think the Bills would be good to move on from McCoy.  The number of plays this year where he makes a play that another 'average' RB wouldn't...those are a lot less than they were in the past.  Next year, when he is a year older...the situation with him isn't going to be better.

 

The bills could keep him around because they will have to much cap room that his contract won't mean much in the grand scheme of things next year.  Personally, I'd keep a player like him around if he was a stellar leader/ambassador for the team.  But McCoy is someone who tends to duck the press and sometimes avoid being around for tough questions..and his off-the-field activities are questionable.    I really would like the Bills to try to find a different #1 back next year...but as things stand now..I'd rather havea one-year-older Ivory as the #2 next year rather than a one-year-older McCoy

Edited December 11, 2018 by mjd1001

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

On 12/9/2018 at 6:24 PM, Helpmenow said:

And he is making a lot less cash as well.

Wildcat!  (I'm speaking of the organized labour tactic, not the football play.)