Time to start suspending Refs

[Spiderweb]

When refs fail to call obvious hits to a QBs head, and a DB mugging a wide receiver on a play where the ref is right there, the league needs to send a message to the players that poor officiating will not be tolerated. Obvious calls must be made. Heck they make enough fictitious calls. A review of this game's officiating would show a horrible crew.

[White Linen]

I'm not saying the refs aren't bad but I also find it to be an impossible job.  You have to catch everything with your eye - while the world has video in slow motion to check your work. 

[Doc]

If they did, there would be no refs to work the games.

[billspro]

I don’t think suspensions are necessary. But they should have to go over their mistakes from the previous week and if their mistake percentage reaches a certain point they should be let go. Obviously with that type of pressure they should be paid very well. 

[plenzmd1]

One dude was fired this year for missing a  false start..lets see if it happens again from last night

[MPT]

1 minute ago, White Linen said:

I'm not saying the refs aren't bad but I also find it to be an impossible job.  You have to catch everything with your eye - while the world has video in slow motion to check your work. 

 

If they used their eyes to make calls, they wouldn't make as many mistakes. The problem is that they look at a situation and try to use context clues to make a call. Receiver flops, must be pass interference. Defensive end throws his hands in the air, must be holding. Quarterback stays on the ground after getting hit, must be roughing the passer. When they're being subjective like that, their opinion of the team or player comes into play. Oh Brady got hit hard? Personal foul. Oh Allen got clotheslined? Not enough evidence. They should only be making calls if they actually see it happen. I would be totally fine with more missed calls if we got rid of all the ones that are subjective.

[Doc]

They should be publicly flogged for every mistake they make.

[ProcessAccepted]

15 minutes ago, Spiderweb said:

When refs fail to call obvious hits to a QBs head, and a DB mugging a wide receiver on a play where the ref is right there, the league needs to send a message to the players that poor officiating will not be tolerated. Obvious calls must be made. Heck they make enough fictitious calls. A review of this game's officiating would show a horrible crew.

 

Personally I think the Pegulas should create a video highlighting the inconsistencies in refereeing. Some of the soft calls that Brady gets versus the hits Allen took to the head yesterday. How some players get calls when they are tackled heading out of bounds and others don't even when they are tackled 2-3+ feet out of bounds.

 

They say that good teams don't let bad or no calls beat them but that's a lot easier to say when your routinely benefiting from the refs decisions. Hearing a commentator say that Allen hasn't earned those calls yet is an acknowledgement that the ruleset is not evenly applied.

[MPT]

2 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

 

Personally I think the Pegulas should create a video highlighting the inconsistencies in refereeing. Some of the soft calls that Brady gets versus the hits Allen took to the head yesterday. How some players get calls when they are tackled heading out of bounds and others don't even when they are tackled 2-3+ feet out of bounds.

 

They say that good teams don't let bad or no calls beat them but that's a lot easier to say when your routinely benefiting from the refs decisions. Hearing a commentator say that Allen hasn't earned those calls yet is an acknowledgement that the ruleset is not evenly applied.

 

The idea of "earning calls" infuriates me. Every player on the field has earned the right to a fair game. Otherwise it's not a sport anymore. It's just theater.

[ProcessAccepted]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

They should be publicly flogged for every mistake they make.

 

You clearly a fan of Spinal Tap and turning the dial to 11 ?

 

Personally there should be a pay scale. Calling a fair game gets you points, calling an uneven game loses you points. The number of points you have determines your base salary and which games you get to call. You lose too many points you don't get any games to ref.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

14 minutes ago, White Linen said:

I'm not saying the refs aren't bad but I also find it to be an impossible job.  You have to catch everything with your eye - while the world has video in slow motion to check your work. 

 

...certainly agree.....even though there are seven pair of eyes dividing up the field, they are under the same split second time constraints as a QB or your play calling LB face as far as reads, progressions, etc with respect to infractions......and the "rule book" continually becomes MORE complex.........

[CommonCents]

I usually hate high horse posters but the crying about refs is getting ridiculous. It’s not just Bills fans it’s fans all around the league. Look at the Bills. Do they lead the league in penalties or are they close? Do you think every group of refs is just out to punish the Bills and the Pegulas? 

 

If Charles Clay didn’t resemble a zombie from the Walking Dead the Bills would have won the game. 

 

The league should make make some decisions to reduce the amount of penalties called but I haven’t seen a fail Mary, tuck rule type of call in awhile. The Steelers lost their mind about a false start, It was a bad call but is that what lost them their game? Or was it because Ben lobbed an interception in the redzone and then special teams allowed a returned punt for a TD.

 

Play the game quit bitching, players included.

[GRHater69]

As a fan you don't want to hear "Good teams get those calls" or certain players getting calls because of their elite status. That's BS and if you want your game to be viewed with integrity, you call it fair regardless of what team is playing. It just doesn't happen that way and as a fan I'm tired of it and I've been watching football since Nixon was president.

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

14 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

 

You clearly a fan of Spinal Tap and turning the dial to 11 ?

 

Personally there should be a pay scale. Calling a fair game gets you points, calling an uneven game loses you points. The number of points you have determines your base salary and which games you get to call. You lose too many points you don't get any games to ref.

 

Great idea. Performance based pay

[NewEra]

19 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

I usually hate high horse posters but the crying about refs is getting ridiculous. It’s not just Bills fans it’s fans all around the league. Look at the Bills. Do they lead the league in penalties or are they close? Do you think every group of refs is just out to punish the Bills and the Pegulas? 

 

If Charles Clay didn’t resemble a zombie from the Walking Dead the Bills would have won the game. 

 

The league should make make some decisions to reduce the amount of penalties called but I haven’t seen a fail Mary, tuck rule type of call in awhile. The Steelers lost their mind about a false start, It was a bad call but is that what lost them their game? Or was it because Ben lobbed an interception in the redzone and then special teams allowed a returned punt for a TD.

 

Play the game quit bitching, players included.

We lead the league in penalties

 

We’re undisciplined.  No question.  We deserve many of them.  No question.  

 

Imo, the big problem is the lack of calls against our opposition on similar calls that we’re getting flagged for.  Josh Allen got beat up yesterday.  Took blows to the head and neck area.  The last incompletion to Zay Jones, he dropped it.  For sure.  He was also interfered with and dropped the ball because of that interference......for sure.  If we get THAT last call, we win this game and the season is alive.  We didn’t get that call.  We lost.  Season over.  

[T master]

I agree that the refs should be held accountable for their job just like any other job that we as fans work at . If we screw up over & over again then we get docked pay (well maybe not in todays world if you whine enough) or you get fired for not performing up to company standards !! Again refer to italicized comment !! 

 

But no matter how good the refs do on this website & seeing what we all write on things & the differing opinions here there is no way that every one would be happy with the way they do their jobs !! 

[zow2]

Two plays before the last throw to Clay, Allen got smacked in the head hard when he was taken down in the pocket.  It was the second Dolphins player who hit him, and it was intentional.  You could tell Allen was rocked as he was trying to shake it off and he looked at the ref like, C'mon man. 

 

That non-call play infuriated me more than any. Although he did get hit in the facemask earlier in the game by a fist/hand, another no-call.  Not to mention he was dragged down at least once hard and hit his head on the ground, that's on him.

 

Allen just takes too many head shots for my liking, even in preseason.  

[RochesterRob]

1 hour ago, Spiderweb said:

When refs fail to call obvious hits to a QBs head, and a DB mugging a wide receiver on a play where the ref is right there, the league needs to send a message to the players that poor officiating will not be tolerated. Obvious calls must be made. Heck they make enough fictitious calls. A review of this game's officiating would show a horrible crew.

  I don't know how it would work or how well but maybe have two challenges per game per team on certain penalties.  This still does not address uncalled penalties so I don't know how to proceed there.  I don't care if it slows down the game especially this time of year when a bad call or non-call affects making the playoffs.

[dezertbill]

it's well documented, even from media, that he refs were horrible.  I don't think the NFL really cares.

 

Until the Bills become a Patriots type team, they will be crapped on by the guys in stripes. As the ref told Hughes yesterday, quit being a b^^^^ and just deal with it.

 

 

[Antonio]

The problem I have is they are really inconsistant. 

 

Sometimes they throw the flag for minimum contact (last game when they flagged Taron Johnson) and then they eat the flag in an extremly ovious PI (Zay yesterday), actually Zay gets hit a lot before the ball arives, I recall at least 4 this year with no flag. 

 

 

 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Spiderweb said:

When refs fail to call obvious hits to a QBs head, and a DB mugging a wide receiver on a play where the ref is right there, the league needs to send a message to the players that poor officiating will not be tolerated. Obvious calls must be made. Heck they make enough fictitious calls. A review of this game's officiating would show a horrible crew.

 

How about an obvious false start on San Diego last night against Pittsburgh that allowed a TD throw that should have never happened? Hard to swallow when you lose by 3...

Edited December 3, 2018 by matter2003

[RochesterRob]

31 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Great idea. Performance based pay

  The problem is that most of these guys are white collar professionals in their day jobs so impact pay too much and they might say "not worth it."  Easy to say goodbye and good riddance but there is always a chance the next guy could be far worse and the guy after that guy.  The NFL ref system is a holdover from the old days where they did not want refs vulnerable to wads of cash from shady (no pun intended) guys.  The NFL needs to spend some money on a pool of permanent refs that can be rotated in and out of working.  Poor performance might mean mandatory time away from work.  

[LeGOATski]

You're focusing on the wrong calls.

 

The holding call is the greatest trick pulled by the NFL. It can be called any place and any time. The outcome of every game can be controlled through the holding call alone.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

You're focusing on the wrong calls.

 

The holding call is the greatest trick pulled by the NFL. It can be called any place and any time. The outcome of every game can be controlled through the holding call alone.

 

Offensive & defensive Holding, illegal contact and OPI and DPI. It’s all you need to control the outcome.  

 

Wouldn’t be shocked to learn at some point in the future that the league throttles these levers  

Edited December 3, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[fan_in_tx]

14 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

How about an obvious false start on San Diego last night against Pittsburgh that allowed a TD throw that should have never happened? Hard to swallow when you lose by 3...

Second time for San Diego..  I was at the Browns game earlier this year... Sooo obvious from the stands to see it happen but ref missed the call and got fired.

[GRHater69]

How about an obvious false start on San Diego last night against Pittsburgh that allowed a TD throw that should have never happened? Hard to swallow when you lose by 3...

 

 

Take a close look at the punt return San Diego/Los Angeles had last night. They missed an illegal block in the back on that one as well. 

Edited December 3, 2018 by GRHater69

[Jobot]

1 hour ago, Spiderweb said:

When refs fail to call obvious hits to a QBs head, and a DB mugging a wide receiver on a play where the ref is right there, the league needs to send a message to the players that poor officiating will not be tolerated. Obvious calls must be made. Heck they make enough fictitious calls. A review of this game's officiating would show a horrible crew.

 

Are you talking about the late game sack on Allen?  Play looked completely legal in slow-motion.  Thought the Refs actually did a good job on what was very tough at game-speed.

[quinnearlysghost88]

My favorite are the penalties that aren’t shown on replay. We’ll just trust that you made the correct call that’s altering the course of the game. 

[row_33]

19 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

My favorite are the penalties that aren’t shown on replay. We’ll just trust that you made the correct call that’s altering the course of the game. 

 

i tape most games and go back and see the penalty

 

i give the refs about 98% for getting what they can legitimately call in real time, with some help from replay

 

whining about the refs is a total loser move, which i find people adopt in their life

 

they blame their parents, clergy, teachers, the police for all their own stupid actions, it never ends

 

 

[outsidethebox]

1 hour ago, MPT said:

 

The idea of "earning calls" infuriates me. Every player on the field has earned the right to a fair game. Otherwise it's not a sport anymore. It's just theater.

To the NFL, it's just entertainment. The so called "better teams" will get the calls. The rest of the teams just fill out the league.

 

It's about making money. That's the bottom line at the end of the day. 

[fan_in_tx]

4 minutes ago, westside said:

To the NFL, it's just entertainment. The so called "better teams" will get the calls. The rest of the teams just fill out the league.

 

It's about making money. That's the bottom line at the end of the day. 

Agreed with this.  With Buffalo sitting on 70-100 dollar tickets plus a such a small market share in TV revenue, NFL is not generating revenue from this team.   This has an effect of how things are called on the field.   Patriots hold every single play.. every play, yet I would guess they have the least amount of holding penalties in the league.  How is that justified?  Revenue.

 

Edited December 3, 2018 by fan_in_tx

[Boatdrinks]

37 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

You're focusing on the wrong calls.

 

The holding call is the greatest trick pulled by the NFL. It can be called any place and any time. The outcome of every game can be controlled through the holding call alone.

Couldn’t be more true. New England OL holds constantly , yet goes entire games without a holding call. Amazing  that no one in a Patriot uniform holds while playing football, yet every other team does multiple times. It’s infuriating to watch, yet embarrassing for football and the NFL at the same time. 

[outsidethebox]

Why can't  the refs call the replay correctly? I mean during the replay, it is clear that there was pass interference on the db. But they're not allowed to call it. I thought replay was about getting the correct call on the play. Upon review, you see pass interference while looking at if it's a catch. Then pass interference should be called. 

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Couldn’t be more true. New England OL holds constantly , yet goes entire games without a holding call. Amazing  that no one in a Patriot uniform holds while playing football, yet every other team does multiple times. It’s infuriating to watch, yet embarrassing for football and the NFL at the same time. 

That's the beauty of it. It's a trick that doesn't even trick, but it's still successful.

[Boatdrinks]

13 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

i tape most games and go back and see the penalty

 

i give the refs about 98% for getting what they can legitimately call in real time, with some help from replay

 

whining about the refs is a total loser move, which i find people adopt in their life

 

they blame their parents, clergy, teachers, the police for all their own stupid actions, it never ends

 

 

What an idiotic take. The thread is about officials not making legitimate calls that are plain to see, not blaming officials for players infractions. The officials are generally terrible, and everyone including members of the media know it. Apparently they are all “ losers” in life because they tell it as it is ? There are/ were very few that call a fair game, such as Gene Steratore who is now retired. It’s there for all to see every week, but I guess you just live with it unless you happen to be a Patsy fan. Everyone else? Just losers. 

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, dezertbill said:

it's well documented, even from media, that he refs were horrible.  I don't think the NFL really cares.

 

Until the Bills become a Patriots type team, they will be crapped on by the guys in stripes. As the ref told Hughes yesterday, quit being a b^^^^ and just deal with it.

 

The way you deal with it is setting up referees to be used as picks.  Hopefully opposing team members will hit them.

 

And no the Pegulas should not just accept it.   They need to hire some really good media people and start making weekly videos and posting them such that they are easy to circulate which will get repeatedly posted.  When the league complains tell them to fix the problems.

[hemma]

Whether in or out of the pocket, Allen seems to take a lot of head shots and sometimes, after he is down. 

When you see enough of it, it stops looking like accidental contact.

 

Kolb was down when he got kicked in the back of the head on a scramble which ended his career and has put him in a long-term bad spot.

 

They need to call these head shots.  Every, single one.

[CountDorkula]

I wouldn't suspend, but i would have an extra zebra or two at each game in case an official keeps missing he can be benched.

 

There is nothing that holds refs accountable currently.

[quinnearlysghost88]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

 

i tape most games and go back and see the penalty

 

i give the refs about 98% for getting what they can legitimately call in real time, with some help from replay

 

whining about the refs is a total loser move, which i find people adopt in their life

 

they blame their parents, clergy, teachers, the police for all their own stupid actions, it never ends

 

 

98%?! 

[Irv]

I just think they are calling too many penalties overall regardless of the team.  See below.  4040 / 3699 = 10% increase since 2009.   Add in all of the time it takes to review many of the plays and the game is really starting to drag.   Source:   www.nflpenalties.com

 

Year  # of Penalties

2009 3699

2010 3713

2011 3896

2012 3809

2013 3636

2014 4248

2015 4327

2016 4166

2017 4167

2018 3014  (through 75% of the season.  Projection is 4040 penalties.  This is after eliminating penalties for excessive celebration this year)