If there was a Re Draft right now, who would you take, Allen or Darnold?

[Reed83HOF]

Neither - I'd have Mahomes

1 hour ago, blitzboy54 said:

Mahomes

Ah - you beat me to it!

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Reed83HOF said:

Neither - I'd have Mahomes

Another lame response in the thread

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...I know and respect you're having some fun bud......but there are others who STILL believe NOW that we effed this up....for some TBD'ers, seven games is the definition of a "career"....higher math..........

Some guys even know before a guy ever steps on an NFL field. It's really impressive until it's not.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Some guys even know before a guy ever steps on an NFL field. It's really impressive until it's not.

 

 

 

...this IS the fertile mecca for budding GM candidates.......yet no hires  which is baffling.......

Edited November 26, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[ehfeuh57]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

 

Still too early to say. Peyton Manning thrown alot of INT in his rookie season. 

 

There was never any doubt Manning would be good at any point in his career including college

 

with Darnold there is some doubt, so this is not a valid comparison

[GoBills808]

16 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

 

...this IS the fertile mecca for budding GM candidates.......yet no hires  which is baffling.......

Well it's not for lack of trying, I've sent them my resume like a dozen times ?

[peterpan]

I'd still take Rosen.  Never was a big fan of Darnold, nor Allen honestly, but Allen has shown he could play, while Darnold I think is a lesser Stafford at best.  

[C.Biscuit97]

36 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

 

...this IS the fertile mecca for budding GM candidates.......yet no hires  which is baffling.......

If only our dads had nfl jobs. 

[CincyBillsFan]

Throwing out the disclaimer that it's way to early to tell, before the draft I rated the QB's as:

 

1) Mayfield

2) Allen

3) Darnold

4) Rosen

5) Jackson

 

And IMO things haven't changed since then and I would rank the rookies in the exact same way.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

....sorry but they ALL have a long way to go before any comparative analysis or declaration.....despite those TBD'ers and their crystal bawls who said we "definitely took the WRONG Josh"......during Kaep's rise through the ranks, an NFL exec was quoted as saying" 50 games in is a fair window of assessment"....sounds like we are a "tad early"??........

I will say that Kaepernick’s last “awful” season say him throw 16 tds and 4 ints.  These qbs aren’t close to those “awful” numbers.  

[Golden Goat]

I'm not a superstitious guy, but I wholeheartedly believe USC QBs are doomed to fail the second they're drafted. This one's easy for me.

[KollegeStudnet]

Allen over Darnold. 

 

Allen deserves more time developing his accuracy. He’s got it, stats do show his inaccuracies, but I’m letting that slide due to him being a rookie.  I think this kid can work on it over the season.

 

I also want to point out, he loves to inspire his teammates. Something I haven’t seen from a Bills QB in quite some time.  

8 minutes ago, Golden Goat said:

I'm not a superstitious guy, but I wholeheartedly believe USC QBs are doomed to fail the second they're drafted. This one's easy for me.

I do like Darnold, but think he has a bad support system. 

Edited November 27, 2018 by KollegeStudnet

[gobills1212]

For some prospective,  its interesting to take a stroll over to THE GANG GREEN and read what they think. Majority still think Sammy D is the next Namath, while Allen is poo. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle with both as both fan bases are high on their guy and dont want to be wrong or the suckers taking the bust. 

Bottom line is most fans view will change x amount more times over the course of the season and then get sky high expectations going into camp mext year. I totally get it - but it still doesnt change the fact its a bunch of people talking like they know the facts when not a single person knows the truth or can see the future. 

Its fun to talk, but also kinda silly to speak in absolutes IMO

[Dadonkadonk]

I never wanted Darnold. He was bad under pressure at USC against bad Pac12 defenses. He will probably be a capable QB but I dont think he will be a star. He doesn't have the arm of Stafford nor the accuracy of Wilson or Brady. Maybe he is a Rivers type but probably more like Dalton.

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

I never wanted Darnold. He was bad under pressure at USC against bad Pac12 defenses. He will probably be a capable QB but I dont think he will be a star. He doesn't have the arm of Stafford nor the accuracy of Wilson or Brady. Maybe he is a Rivers type but probably more like Dalton.

 

Ryan Tannehill with more turnovers. You know who looks like Dalton right now is Josh Rosen.

[3rdand12]

I do not watch college ball anymore. so my perspective coming in is just filtering what i read.

But Josh Allen .

By appearance and over the season one has to develop a perspective.
I felt it before the injury, but Sunday? He nailed it to the Goal post 

 

You just know.

this is the right guy to get up and cheer wildly for. This is what we needed all these years.
He is hell bent on winning by leading. and that is the purest definition of why i/we should  follow this guy over the cliffs of Gibraltar. Kid just inspires the Team. easy to see.
now lets get him some players to work with !

 Go Bills ! 

[DisplacedBillsFan]

4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean I enjoyed our victory over the 3-7 Jags but are posters really asking if they would trade Allen for Rodgers???? I didn’t drink enough in celebration apparently.

Is it really that easy of a decision to trade a potential franchise QB (think 15+ years of QB stability) for four years of Rodgers?

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, DisplacedBillsFan said:

Is it really that easy of a decision to trade a potential franchise QB (think 15+ years of QB stability) for four years of Rodgers?

Josh Allen has a 63 QB rating and has never completed higher than 56% of his passes.  Yes, I would trade him for Rodgers.  Every non Bills fans would.  

[Big Turk]

I've never been a big Darnold fan...he is a turnover machine on a near Geno Smith level.

[BillsFan130]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Josh Allen has a 63 QB rating and has never completed higher than 56% of his passes.  Yes, I would trade him for Rodgers.  Every non Bills fans would.  

It’s an interesting question. If Allen turns out to be Big Ben, there’s no way I trade 15 years of that for a few years of A rod. And cheaper salary for at least the next 4 years.

 

Now of course the big question is can Allen be Big Ben/Newton good.  

[Kelly the Dog]

I really like Mayfield, but I think if you put him on this team with these coaches and this line and this running game and these receivers, he wouldn't be doing any better at all than Josh. He'd be more accurate on some short passes, sure, but he would be getting clobbered.  And he would have a lot more INTs imo. 

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, billsfan11 said:

It’s an interesting question. If Allen turns out to be Big Ben, there’s no way I trade 15 years of that for a few years of A rod. And cheaper salary for at least the next 4 years.

 

Now of course the big question is can Allen be Big Ben/Newton good.  

Playing the percentages, I would say that Allen becoming a HOFer like those two is fairly low.  I would love to see the results of this on a non Bills board.

 

this would never happen because GB would never consider it. But if you did it, you can still draft a qb and have him sit under Rodgers.

[BillsFan130]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

I really like Mayfield, but I think if you put him on this team with these coaches and this line and this running game and these receivers, he wouldn't be doing any better at all than Josh. He'd be more accurate on some short passes, sure, but he would be getting clobbered.  And he would have a lot more INTs imo. 

Ya Mayfield definitely has a way better supporting cast. Landry, Chubb, Njuko, Calloway. 

 

They got some descent players for sure

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Playing the percentages, I would say that Allen becoming a HOFer like those two is fairly low.  I would love to see the results of this on a non Bills board.

 

this would never happen because GB would never consider it. But if you did it, you can still draft a qb and have him sit under Rodgers.

I see what you’re saying. But A rod is what, 35 now and is declining. I know he has like 20 TDS to 1 INT, but he’s got a lot of mileage and his mobility has dropped tremendously which has resulted in a ton of throw a ways.

 

If this is A rod at 32 and in his prime, then ya it’s a slam dunk and shouldn’t even be a question.

[longtimebillsfan]

Darnold does not have the upside.  I prefer Allen's personality and upside.   I am content with our pick of Allen at 7.

Edited November 27, 2018 by longtimebillsfan

[DisplacedBillsFan]

21 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

It’s an interesting question. If Allen turns out to be Big Ben, there’s no way I trade 15 years of that for a few years of A rod. And cheaper salary for at least the next 4 years.

 

Now of course the big question is can Allen be Big Ben/Newton good.  

I agree. The original post about this said to assume Rodgers would play at a similar level as this year for four more years and that Allen shows positive development for the remainder of this season.

 

I think the knee jerk reaction says it is a no brainer trade to make. But, the potential of Allen developing into "the guy" for Buffalo makes it a pretty interesting question to consider. 

[Bing Bong]

22 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I really like Mayfield, but I think if you put him on this team with these coaches and this line and this running game and these receivers, he wouldn't be doing any better at all than Josh. He'd be more accurate on some short passes, sure, but he would be getting clobbered.  And he would have a lot more INTs imo. 

Allen's getting clobbered. Just because he's big doesn't mean it doesn't hurt to get nailed by a DE on the blind side. You're just saying Baker is short.. so what they'd both get clobbered.

[Augie]

54 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Allen's getting clobbered. Just because he's big doesn't mean it doesn't hurt to get nailed by a DE on the blind side. You're just saying Baker is short.. so what they'd both get clobbered.

 

I’m not sure if it’s that so much as it’s a more fair fight if you're about the same size as the DE or LB. But yes, EVERYBODY is taking a beating! 

 

 

.

Edited November 27, 2018 by Augie

[Kelly the Dog]

11 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Allen's getting clobbered. Just because he's big doesn't mean it doesn't hurt to get nailed by a DE on the blind side. You're just saying Baker is short.. so what they'd both get clobbered.

He is getting clobbered but yes because of his size and his elusiveness and speed, he's not getting clobbered nearly as much as I think Mayfield would be. Mayfield is smart and clever in the pocket but he would be getting killed back there. Josh doesn't get nearly enough credit for no sacks yesterday. That was almost as impressive as the TD run and TD throw. 

[Bing Bong]

9 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He is getting clobbered but yes because of his size and his elusiveness and speed, he's not getting clobbered nearly as much as I think Mayfield would be. Mayfield is smart and clever in the pocket but he would be getting killed back there. Josh doesn't get nearly enough credit for no sacks yesterday. That was almost as impressive as the TD run and TD throw. 

I mean I'd rather have Baker than Allen, wouldn't really care how he fits on this crap supporting offense. More when they're given weapons. 

 

That said, so far this season, it's clearly

1. Baker (Brees)

2. Allen (Favre)

3. Lamar (Vick)

4. Darnold (... Eli)

5. Rosen (Chad Pennington??)

 

And the level of play between all of them is huge. Don't know why this is even a question, Darnold looks like bust city. I'd much rather discuss Baker vs Allen. Allen certainly showed why he's hyped up with such a high ceiling last week. Looks like a Brees clone (Baker) vs a Favre clone (Allen).

Edited November 27, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[BillsFan130]

6 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

I mean I'd rather have Baker than Allen, wouldn't really care how he fits on this crap supporting offense. More when they're given weapons. 

 

That said, so far this season, it's clearly

1. Baker

2. Allen

3. Lamar

4. Darnold

5. Rosen

 

And the level of play between all of them is huge. Don't know why this is even a question, Darnold looks like bust city. I'd much rather discuss Baker vs Allen. Allen certainly showed why he's hyped up with such a high ceiling last week. Looks like a Brees clone (Baker) vs a Favre clone (Allen).

I put it as a question cause I thought it was pretty reasonable. I think a lot of people would say Darnold before the season started. While Allen IMO has out played Darnold So far, Darnold has also had some great games and Allen has had some bad ones.

 

Also it’s way too early. Calling a QB a bust after 7-8 games sounds pretty crazy. See Jared Goff, Trubisky from recent memory

[Bing Bong]

3 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

I put it as a question cause I thought it was pretty reasonable. I think a lot of people would say Darnold before the season started. While Allen IMO has out played Darnold So far, Darnold has also had some great games and Allen has had some bad ones.

 

Also it’s way too early. Calling a QB a bust after 7-8 games sounds pretty crazy. See Jared Goff, Trubisky from recent memory

That's true. And I haven't really watched Darnold's best football. He just throws so many interceptions. Yuck. A lot of neutral fans, heck Jets fans I know are preferring Allen to date. I can't really speculate on what I see from them in the future but a rookie JA limiting his picks and not playing checkdown ball is exciting.

 

Also I don't respect Fisher with Quarterbacks for ****. By that measure we could probably say the same for Todd Bowls.. idk if Trubiskie was really pegged as all that bad IIRC, he was just a little spastic really. Still is but it's pretty fascinating to watch. Idk if it's nerves or what but he has the fastest 5-7 step drop I see on TV and still looks pretty goofy. Fun to watch and a fantastic fantasy QB!

Edited November 27, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[Reks Ryan]

1 hour ago, DisplacedBillsFan said:

Is it really that easy of a decision to trade a potential franchise QB (think 15+ years of QB stability) for four years of Rodgers?

Yes

[JerseyBills]

6 hours ago, msw2112 said:

This is off-topic, but Foster was mentioned in the last post.  How did he suddenly develop hands?  He had been cut from the team, then magically re-signed before the Jests game and is now playing lights out.  He always had the speed, but couldn't hang onto a ball to save his life.  What happened?

He was cut? 

Pretty sure he was demoted to the Practice squad. I guess just hard work and good coaching. Props to Beane for calling him and McKenzie up, totally changed the dynamic of the O 

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, JerseyBills said:

He was cut? 

Pretty sure he was demoted to the Practice squad. I guess just hard work and good coaching. Props to Beane for calling him and McKenzie up, totally changed the dynamic of the O 

Both Foster and McKenzie got released twice this year, and the idea that we needed speed should have been evident to any high school coach let alone an NFL HC or GM. I think they probably desevere more criticism for that than props. 

[mannc]

59 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

 

 Todd Bowls.

I’m not sure if you did this on purpose, but I like it.

[transplantbillsfan]

We have to go with Allen, don't we

 

I can't believe my massive 180 on him. He looks like he's going to be our answer at QB, finally.

[Mountain Man]

10 hours ago, dubs said:

 

I know what you’re getting at but it’s not really applicable unless you assume the Jets took Rosen or Jackson or a non-QB. To make this hypo more applicable to Buffao, you ask the question if the Bills could redraft would they choose Allen, Rosen, Jackson for QBs, that’s it. 

Which is why he asked about the Jets.....

10 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Rookie QB rankings so far.

 

Mayfield

Allen

Jackson

Darnold

Rosen

 

Jackson would easily number 5 for me. As a QB he has been terrible. As soon as defenses get some tape on him, they'll stop the run and the world will wake up to how bad a thrower he is.

[Magox]

4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Josh Allen has a 63 QB rating and has never completed higher than 56% of his passes.  Yes, I would trade him for Rodgers.  Every non Bills fans would.  

No they wouldn't.

 

Rodgers clearly doesn't have many years left where many NFL executives thought that Allen has franchise QB capabilities and his play this year hasn't done anything to quell that.    You don't like Allen and that is blinding you.

[BB@Shooter]

9 hours ago, DCOrange said:

The reason I had Lamar as my #1 QB in the class and still do is because his running ability is so insanely special that even being a below average passer should be enough for him to be a good starting QB. With the exception of Baker, I don't think any of the other rookies are significantly better throwing the ball than Lamar is right now. In fact, I'm not sure they're better at all.

Thank goodness an opinion is just that. It doesn't have to be backed up by real football knowledge. Even below average football knowledge gets their say.  America, isn't she great.

[MJS]

So it's a redraft AND we get to move way up? Well why not move all the way to #1 and take Mayfield?