Miracle Bills Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I understand why they brought Anderson to Buffalo to help with Josh Allen, but with Matt Barkely here shouldn't Allen be learning from Barkley now? In Derek Anderson's last 3 years in the NFL he has been absolutely terrible. He has throw 2 touchdowns and 6 interceptions and has never looked good. He is not a good quarterback and you have to wonder why you would want a bad quarterback teaching your future franchise quarterback how to play. The NFL Anderson grew up in is nothing like the NFL of today. Isn't this like asking a bad student to tutor your child? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Understanding how things should be done and having the ability to actually do them are not the same thing. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Miracle Bills said: I understand why they brought Anderson to Buffalo to help with Josh Allen, but with Matt Barkely here shouldn't Allen be learning from Barkley now? In Derek Anderson's last 3 years in the NFL he has been absolutely terrible. He has throw 2 touchdowns and 6 interceptions and has never looked good. He is not a good quarterback and you have to wonder why you would want a bad quarterback teaching your future franchise quarterback how to play. The NFL Anderson grew up in is nothing like the NFL of today. Isn't this like asking a bad student to tutor your child? I think these guys that stunk but stuck around forever are the ones that must have been exceptional preparing and practicing and are likely better mentors than guys who were super talented. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Miracle Bills said: I understand why they brought Anderson to Buffalo to help with Josh Allen, but with Matt Barkely here shouldn't Allen be learning from Barkley now? In Derek Anderson's last 3 years in the NFL he has been absolutely terrible. He has throw 2 touchdowns and 6 interceptions and has never looked good. He is not a good quarterback and you have to wonder why you would want a bad quarterback teaching your future franchise quarterback how to play. The NFL Anderson grew up in is nothing like the NFL of today. Isn't this like asking a bad student to tutor your child? No, its not. Coaching is about having the ability to bring out the best in someone. Guys like Anderson may never be great QB's but they are instrumental in helping the coaches because they have been in the trenches doing the work. Take Jordan Palmer, he was never a great QB but he is widely viewed around the NFL as being one of the best in developing and preparing QB's for the pros. Anderson fits this role, because he can see Josh objectively from inside the pocket, where others are working with him on the outside (developing game plans, plays, etc..) Anderson is not a threat to take Josh's job and he knows his place. He's been around 15 years for a reason. He brings something to the table outside his ability to play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracle Bills Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Understanding how things should be done and having the ability to actually do them are not the same thing. Anderson is not going to be the backup for Allen next year. Barkley probably will be or should be. The Bills goal should be to have Allen and Barkley for years as the starter and backup. If Allen does not develop then Barkley is more than adequate as a starter. Anderson has already proven he is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Miracle Bills said: I understand why they brought Anderson to Buffalo to help with Josh Allen Beside McBeane blundering big time starting the season with no experience at QB, bringing in a player to tutor them is an indictment of the QB coach. Edited November 14, 2018 by I am the egg man 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsRdue said: No, its not. Coaching is about having the ability to bring out the best in someone. Guys like Anderson may never be great QB's but they are instrumental in helping the coaches because they have been in the trenches doing the work. Take Jordan Palmer, he was never a great QB but he is widely viewed around the NFL as being one of the best in developing and preparing QB's for the pros. Anderson fits this role, because he can see Josh objectively from inside the pocket, where others are working with him on the outside (developing game plans, plays, etc..) Anderson is not a threat to take Josh's job and he knows his place. He's been around 15 years for a reason. He brings something to the table outside his ability to play. How do we know Anderson is any good at 'mentoring'? Not saying he isn't but are we just assuming he is because he backed up Cam for so many years. Cam was pretty solid as a rookie, maybe Anderson helped but he was an exceptional prospect to begin with. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Understanding how things should be done and having the ability to actually do them are not the same thing. And being able to transfer that knowledge effectively is yet another important skill. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracle Bills Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Augie said: And being able to transfer that knowledge effectively is yet another important skill. What knowledge? How to be a bad quarterback? Our quarterbacks coach should be coaching Allen and he should be learning from a guy like Barkley on basics like game preparation. We don't want a rookie quarterback learning from two veterans who may have two totally different ways of doing things. There are too many cooks in the kitchen. Allen doesn't need a quarterbacks coach and 2 veterans telling him how to play quarterback in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 He’s better for Allen than Peterman was so it’s a step in the right direction 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I think this whole "bring in a Vet to mentor" thing is way overblown. Do some of these vets help the noob out? Sure, but probably to varying degrees. I have a feeling it's more competitive than mentoring (which in it's own way, can be good. Maybe even "more good"). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 15 minutes ago, klos63 said: How do we know Anderson is any good at 'mentoring'? Not saying he isn't but are we just assuming he is because he backed up Cam for so many years. Cam was pretty solid as a rookie, maybe Anderson helped but he was an exceptional prospect to begin with. It's pretty well known in Carolina and from Beane's and McDermott;s statements that Anderson played a role in helping Cam develop. Cam also mentioned and credited Anderson for helping him adjust to the pro game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 We need an actual QB coach. I have zero confidence in the one we have now. The only saving grace is that Daboll is supposedly investing a lot of time in Josh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracle Bills Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Bangarang said: He’s better for Allen than Peterman was so it’s a step in the right direction Peterman and Anderson both filled a purpose. Peterman was here until a quarterback could get healthy. They now have healthy quarterbacks and he is rightfully gone. Anderson served a purpose of being an experienced backup for Allen to learn from. We now have Matt Barkley and it is time for Anderson to be gone. We don't need an offensive coordinator, a quarterbacks coach, an experienced quarterback, and another experienced quarterback all teaching a rookie. Too many people telling him what to do is the last thing he needs. 10 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: It's pretty well known in Carolina and from Beane's and McDermott;s statements that Anderson played a role in helping Cam develop. Cam also mentioned and credited Anderson for helping him adjust to the pro game. This is not the same pro game that Cam developed in. The league is much different now. The coaches who are now finally figuring that out need to realize we don't need a dinosaur teaching a rookie. Edited November 14, 2018 by Miracle Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsRdue said: It's pretty well known in Carolina and from Beane's and McDermott;s statements that Anderson played a role in helping Cam develop. Cam also mentioned and credited Anderson for helping him adjust to the pro game. ...don't think you can doubt Anderson's value in Carolina...believe her was there for 6 or 7 years......but now he's 35 and probably came to Bflo after McBeane begged him 24/7 to bail him out.......probably planned on his $63,000 per game for teaching and CERTAINLY not playing......Barkley is eight years younger and despite his solid play last week, has never done much in the NFL.....does he think he can still start?.....would he be satisfied with a backup role in Bflo to Josh in 2019 or test the market one more time (doubtful as a starter IMO)?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Miracle Bills said: This is not the same pro game that Cam developed in. The league is much different now. The coaches who are now finally figuring that out need to realize we don't need a dinosaur teaching a rookie. So you want a star QB from the past 5 years to mentor him? OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracle Bills Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, QCity said: So you want a star QB from the past 5 years to mentor him? OK I want a quarterbacks coach to mentor him and I want a veteran to show him the basics. I don't need him learning from two different quarterbacks that probably have completely different ways of doing things. Does it make sense for him to learn from some guy who is going to be gone in 6 weeks or a guy who could very well be his backup for years? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 48 minutes ago, Miracle Bills said: I understand why they brought Anderson to Buffalo to help with Josh Allen, but with Matt Barkely here shouldn't Allen be learning from Barkley now? In Derek Anderson's last 3 years in the NFL he has been absolutely terrible. He has throw 2 touchdowns and 6 interceptions and has never looked good. He is not a good quarterback and you have to wonder why you would want a bad quarterback teaching your future franchise quarterback how to play. The NFL Anderson grew up in is nothing like the NFL of today. Isn't this like asking a bad student to tutor your child? Derek Anderson is likely Coaching ready IMO. should have been brought in day after they drafted Allen if only to mentor. Having Barkley her now who can do a bit of that as well, and play is likely one of the highlight of the season in the QB room. He is a smart dud e from all I have read. and Barkley appears to be a viable backup you can put on the field with some degree of hope. good question 45 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I think these guys that stunk but stuck around forever are the ones that must have been exceptional preparing and practicing and are likely better mentors than guys who were super talented. yeps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 46 minutes ago, Miracle Bills said: I understand why they brought Anderson to Buffalo to help with Josh Allen, but with Matt Barkely here shouldn't Allen be learning from Barkley now? In Derek Anderson's last 3 years in the NFL he has been absolutely terrible. He has throw 2 touchdowns and 6 interceptions and has never looked good. He is not a good quarterback and you have to wonder why you would want a bad quarterback teaching your future franchise quarterback how to play. The NFL Anderson grew up in is nothing like the NFL of today. Isn't this like asking a bad student to tutor your child? You know the old saying: those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. I am not meaning to diminish teachers. The point is just because he can't play well does not mean he can not teach. The reverse is also true. Just because an athlete plays at a high level does not mean he or she can teach. Mike Singletary comes to mind. He was a great linebacker, but he was terrible as a head coach. Michael Jordin is another example. He admits that he would not be a good coach. He would expect the players he was coaching to be able to do the things he could do and would get very frustrated if they fell short of his expectations. Anderson seems to be taking to his mentor role very well. Let's see what happens. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Miracle Bills said: I want a quarterbacks coach to mentor him and I want a veteran to show him the basics. I don't need him learning from two different quarterbacks that probably have completely different ways of doing things. Does it make sense for him to learn from some guy who is going to be gone in 6 weeks or a guy who could very well be his backup for years? It makes sense for him to learn from the best teacher. Assuming Barkley will be our backup for years because he beat the Jets is ridiculous. And no, this is not analogous to a bad student tutoring your child. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 "Those that cannot do......teach" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Rinse, Recycle, and Repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 43 minutes ago, Miracle Bills said: Anderson is not going to be the backup for Allen next year. Barkley probably will be or should be. The Bills goal should be to have Allen and Barkley for years as the starter and backup. If Allen does not develop then Barkley is more than adequate as a starter. Anderson has already proven he is not. Sweet Jesus man, Barclay has won like 3 games in his whole career and has a 10 TDs and 18 Ints. I am not so sure he is a "backup for years", let alone a "more than adequate starter". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaBu Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, Miracle Bills said: .... We now have Matt Barkley and it is time for Anderson to be gone. We don't need an offensive coordinator, a quarterbacks coach, an experienced quarterback, and another experienced quarterback all teaching a rookie. Too many people telling him what to do is the last thing he needs. What makes you think Barkley is "teaching?" He was brought in to be the back up, because Peterman was ineffective (at best). He's had his hands full just learning the next game plan, let alone the whole playbook. He certainly hasn't had time for "teaching." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) I was as happy (and surprised) as anyone with Barkley's play on Sunday. That doesn't mean he'll ever play that well again and it doesn't mean the are we set at the backup position for years, as many are saying. The guy played one good game, after being overlooked by all 32 NFL teams for a couple of years. He was pretty lousy in his game action prior to that. I agree that due to his age and arguably his pedigree, he may be a better player than Anderson, but that doesn't mean he has a better temperament or better ability to mentor Allen. Anderson has been in the league a lot longer and has started a lot more games than Barkley, and also has direct mentoring experience of the kind Buffalo is looking for. I don't know if the mentoring thing is effective or not, but Allen has been complimentary of Anderson's presence and our front office and coaching staff apparently think that there is value in it now. They obviously didn't think so at the beginning of the season.... Edited November 14, 2018 by msw2112 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 47 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: "Those that cannot do......teach" Those that cannot teach, teach Phys Ed. As long as we have Barkley, don't think we need Anderson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 i'm just hoping that the QBs we have now will be our future. Obviously, Anderson is back to the couch after this season. Could you imagine Allen and Barkley being the next Kelly and Reich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Circlethewagon8404 said: i'm just hoping that the QBs we have now will be our future. Obviously, Anderson is back to the couch after this season. Could you imagine Allen and Barkley being the next Kelly and Reich? Careful now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Can't he learn from both, or is he only allowed to talk to one guy? 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Careful now. Gross. Don't remind me of that ridiculous thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Between Anderson and Peterman,, Allen should have a firm grasp on what not to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: Understanding how things should be done and having the ability to actually do them are not the same thing. absolutely correct. if they can have Anderson taking Allen through everything on the sideline during the game, that would be a big help. if he is giving him helpful pointers during practices, that is also a big help. the seasoned vet in the twilight of his career is what they had wanted for Allen all along (in my opinion). which is why i think they were making a play for McCown. most of the best coaches are the guys that never had great ability. they were the guys that had to work a little harder to achieve a lot less. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Miracle Bills said: I understand why they brought Anderson to Buffalo to help with Josh Allen, but with Matt Barkely here shouldn't Allen be learning from Barkley now? In Derek Anderson's last 3 years in the NFL he has been absolutely terrible. He has throw 2 touchdowns and 6 interceptions and has never looked good. He is not a good quarterback and you have to wonder why you would want a bad quarterback teaching your future franchise quarterback how to play. The NFL Anderson grew up in is nothing like the NFL of today. Isn't this like asking a bad student to tutor your child? Aaron Rogers isn’t available for a mentoring role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Miracle Bills said: What knowledge? How to be a bad quarterback? Our quarterbacks coach should be coaching Allen and he should be learning from a guy like Barkley on basics like game preparation. We don't want a rookie quarterback learning from two veterans who may have two totally different ways of doing things. There are too many cooks in the kitchen. Allen doesn't need a quarterbacks coach and 2 veterans telling him how to play quarterback in the NFL. Barkley has been just as bad if not worse than Anderson. Why should he be learning from one terrible qb and not the other? What difference does it make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Anderson stuck on Carolina through a lot of playoff teams and I think their Super Bowl appearance and was paid quite nicely as a backup, with Cam running and always taking a beating they were very comfortable with Anderson. To me that’s enough to say the guy knows the quarterback position and how to prepare for games. Which is all we are looking for in a “mentor” Allen is supposed to be the franchise guy. Doesn’t matter who the backup is, if the backup is forced to play for an extended period of time most of the time the season is doomed anyways. Yeah yeah Foles etc etc but that was more a fluke than common scenarios in today’s NFL. Anderson is exactly the type of guy the bills needed and should of had the day they drafted Allen. Not McCarron or peterman. Hes zero threat to take the starting job, knows the ins and outs of team travel, being punctual for meetings, how to watch and learn from the film room. You don’t have a career as long as he’s had without knowing all the behind the scenes and being successful with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 16 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: Understanding how things should be done and having the ability to actually do them are not the same thing. Those who can, do. Those who can't hold a clip board and tell the first round draft pick how to do it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/14/2018 at 6:32 PM, Marv's Neighbor said: Those that cannot teach, teach Phys Ed. As long as we have Barkley, don't think we need Anderson. I would reverse the theme Barkley is the back up Anderson is the mentor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) I’m not sure I want Allen learning anything from Derek Anderson. He has not exactly had a successful NFL career. From his first Bills start I would only want Allen to do the exact opposite of Anderson. Edited November 16, 2018 by Bills2ref Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: I’m not sure I was Allen learning anything from Derek Anderson. He has not exactly had a successful NFL career. From his first Bills start I would only want Allen to do the exact opposite of Anderson. we need to separate Knowledge and mentoring from talent. they are not the same things. A guy can know exactly what a Coach wants each play , but be unable physically to execute. Teaching is done many ways 2ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/14/2018 at 5:10 PM, OJ Tom said: I think this whole "bring in a Vet to mentor" thing is way overblown. Do some of these vets help the noob out? Sure, but probably to varying degrees. I have a feeling it's more competitive than mentoring (which in it's own way, can be good. Maybe even "more good"). It's not overblown. EJ stated he learned more from watching Kyle Orton then he did from the Bills OC, QB coach. Watching him prepare for a game, film study and what to watch for in pre snap reads, reading that defense and then talking to him after each series. Understanding what's happening on each play. Not having a veteran QB on the roster with a rookie QB and a second year QB who had only two game starts is basically unheard of in the NFL. These young, inexperienced QB s needed help in so many areas and that Veteran QB like Derek Anderson helps more then most understand. He was brought into Buffalo knowing he wasn't going to start and he didn't want to. His sole job was to help mentor the young QBs and he was okay with that. Anderson was in a similar role at Carolina and help mentor Cam Newton greatly, so this FO trusted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Frank Reich would of been good for Josh Allen- but im happy he got his HC gig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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