Braveheart Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Lol. This is seriously a joke. 0-3 points at the half...Again...for who knows how many games. 6 points total. OC needs to go! Since week 1! Team had plenty of chances to make plays on D- 3 dropped picks, missed fumble recovery. Gotta make plays. Make a play. 1 play. 2 plays: 1) 3rd & 8 and you run it!??? You're not fooling anyone trying to outsmart the Defense. You pass it for the first down and go for the Touchdown! 2) Big pass play to Benjamin. Next play, you run wildcat for -5!??? Terribleee play calling. With the momentum of a big play- You pass it again across the middle! Go after them and score a TD! OC needs to go. I should call the plays and I'll take this team to the promised land! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Well I think this offense sucks as a whole. I'm willing to give daboll more time. Theres very little talent here and you have a guy who was playing golf two weeks ago as your QB. I think the better question is why we have DA playing QB? The QB situation here at the moment is about as bad as it can be. Not excusing the guy but this whole offense sucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Not hard to find a reason why an OC is struggling with exactly zero qualified WRs, no OL, a 5th round QB from last year, then a rookie QB, and now a 200 year old vet QB that hasn't played since the Bush adminiatration and just got here 17 days ago. Daboll is not even on the top 10 list of our problems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, Shotgunner said: Not hard to find a reason why an OC is struggling with exactly zero qualified WRs, no OL, a 5th round QB from last year, then a rookie QB, and now a 200 year old vet QB that hasn't played since the Bush adminiatration and just got here 17 days ago. Daboll is not even on the top 10 list of our problems. Nonsense. As OC your job is to put players in position to make plays! This guy's offense sucks and doesn't maximize the talent that they do have! As OC your job is to gain yards and score points in EVERY game like the rest of the league, or at the very least score points in SOME games. Not NO points in 7 games! Like I said, I should call the plays and Bills win this game easily! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 We are going for a NFL record....back off, we got this 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Braveheart said: Nonsense. As OC your job is to put players in position to make plays! This guy's offense sucks and doesn't maximize the talent that they do have! As OC your job is to gain yards and score points in EVERY game like the rest of the league, or at the very least score points in SOME games. Not NO points in 7 games! Like I said, I should call the plays and Bills win this game easily! How hard is it to understand that you can draw up the play....but the players have to execute it and our offensive talent is VERY BAD Cant run a screen to save our lives Cant pickup up the middle blitzes (blitz protection starts inside and you work your way out.....we are giving up INSIDE BLITZ SACKS Nobody can get consistant separation....players are not open when they need to be And this happens EVERY WEEK Until the team retools the offense with wide receivers that are actually NFL talent and a offensive line that Shady doent run into the ass of the back of his offensive linemen and fall down because they cant run block....until we get blocking at the 2nd level....until we are not playing a retired golfer and a guy that cant stay away from throwing interceptions on the out route We will continue to see this.....DEBOLL DOES NOT HAVE THE PLAYERS TO RUN HIS OFFENSE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, Shotgunner said: Not hard to find a reason why an OC is struggling with exactly zero qualified WRs, no OL, a 5th round QB from last year, then a rookie QB, and now a 200 year old vet QB that hasn't played since the Bush adminiatration and just got here 17 days ago. Daboll is not even on the top 10 list of our problems. You're right! Our problems begin and end with McBeane! They've created every reason why we suck that you mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Fadingpain said: You're right! Our problems begin and end with McBeane! They've created every reason why we suck that you mentioned. They really did create this..its not worth arguing over all the disastrous moves they made, simply look at the product. For those who hang into all the draft picks and salary...good luck I hope you are right, bimo, this is a major fail 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Look on the bright side: last week we scored 5 points. Tonight we scored 6. Improvement! 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FistingBot Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Talent versus coaching can be debated endlessly, but the empirical evidence shows that we have an offensive coordinator who has never had success anywhere he's been. The last time Brian Daboll was an NFL offensive coordinator was the 2012 Kansas City Chiefs. It was the only offense this decade to average fewer than 14 points per game (we're currently far worse at only 10.9 ppg). That 2-14 Chiefs team had Jamaal Charles at running back, Dwayne Bowe at wide receiver, 4 year starter Matt Cassel at QB, etc. Certainly enough talent to score every once in a while. The next season with mostly the same players (although with Alex Smith at QB) and Andy Reid calling plays, the Chiefs went 11-5, made the playoffs, and had one of the league's better offenses. Of course we need more talent on offense, no one would argue otherwise. But, 4.5 seasons with 4 different teams and there is simply no evidence that Daboll has any idea what he is doing as an offensive coordinator. I have no doubt he could do better with more talent, but so could the universe of other potential offensive coordinators. The real question is: could someone else do better with this exact same collection of players? I think the answer is "yes." https://arrowheadaddict.com/2018/01/15/brian-daboll-somehow-able-find-meaningful-nfl-work-2018/ 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I don't give a *****. This offense is unacceptable. Holmes is by far the best receiver. Nothing needed to be said beyond that. It's a fireable offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Skins Malone said: There's very little talent here Just now, October 1918 said: 4.5 seasons with 4 different teams and there is simply no evidence that Daboll has any idea what he is doing as an offensive coordinator Spot on.....and who's responsible for this ? (I hate blaming the Pegulas) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfanlc Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, October 1918 said: Talent versus coaching can be debated endlessly, but the empirical evidence shows that we have an offensive coordinator who has never had success anywhere he's been. The last time Brian Daboll was an NFL offensive coordinator was the 2012 Kansas City Chiefs. It was the only offense this decade to average fewer than 14 points per game (we're currently far worse at only 10.9 ppg). That 2-14 Chiefs team had Jamaal Charles at running back, Dwayne Bowe at wide receiver, 4 year starter Matt Cassel at QB, etc. Certainly enough talent to score every once in a while. The next season with mostly the same players (although with Alex Smith at QB) and Andy Reid calling plays, the Chiefs went 11-5, made the playoffs, and had one of the league's better offenses. Of course we need more talent on offense, no one would argue otherwise. But, 4.5 seasons with 4 different teams and there is simply no evidence that Daboll has any idea what he is doing as an offensive coordinator. I have no doubt he could do better with more talent, but so could the universe of other potential offensive coordinators. The real question is: could someone else do better with this exact same collection of players? I think the answer is "yes." https://arrowheadaddict.com/2018/01/15/brian-daboll-somehow-able-find-meaningful-nfl-work-2018/ Right now I'm sure Daboll is wishing he could go back to Bama. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: How hard is it to understand that you can draw up the play....but the players have to execute it and our offensive talent is VERY BAD Cant run a screen to save our lives Cant pickup up the middle blitzes (blitz protection starts inside and you work your way out.....we are giving up INSIDE BLITZ SACKS Nobody can get consistant separation....players are not open when they need to be And this happens EVERY WEEK Until the team retools the offense with wide receivers that are actually NFL talent and a offensive line that Shady doent run into the ass of the back of his offensive linemen and fall down because they cant run block....until we get blocking at the 2nd level....until we are not playing a retired golfer and a guy that cant stay away from throwing interceptions on the out route We will continue to see this.....DEBOLL DOES NOT HAVE THE PLAYERS TO RUN HIS OFFENSE It is the offensive coordinators job to put these players in a position to win. You want to say the players he has aren’t executing? Who’s fault is that? His players are not physically that substandard to the rest of the teams we play. We’re talking about a historically terrible offense here in a renaissance era of the passing game. Im not saying the players aren’t some of the problem. And neither is Daboll for all of it. But the offense runs through him. Regardless who the players are, they aren’t getting the job done and he is in control of it. He needs to go. with all that said, I actually thought he did decent tonight as far as the play calls. Wasn’t perfect and too many trickery plays. A few wildcats is ok but as much as they ran it, they weren’t fooling anyone. Same with the lame running on first down over 50% of the time. When Allen comes back, I don’t want to see anything but deep throws. We suck so bad it doesn’t matter. Have Allen go out there and just heave it as far as he can on every single play. If we don’t get it, punt. We’d have much better luck. And Allen needs to learn to take chances as well as get some practice on his deep ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 34 minutes ago, October 1918 said: Talent versus coaching can be debated endlessly, but the empirical evidence shows that we have an offensive coordinator who has never had success anywhere he's been. The last time Brian Daboll was an NFL offensive coordinator was the 2012 Kansas City Chiefs. It was the only offense this decade to average fewer than 14 points per game (we're currently far worse at only 10.9 ppg). That 2-14 Chiefs team had Jamaal Charles at running back, Dwayne Bowe at wide receiver, 4 year starter Matt Cassel at QB, etc. Certainly enough talent to score every once in a while. The next season with mostly the same players (although with Alex Smith at QB) and Andy Reid calling plays, the Chiefs went 11-5, made the playoffs, and had one of the league's better offenses. Of course we need more talent on offense, no one would argue otherwise. But, 4.5 seasons with 4 different teams and there is simply no evidence that Daboll has any idea what he is doing as an offensive coordinator. I have no doubt he could do better with more talent, but so could the universe of other potential offensive coordinators. The real question is: could someone else do better with this exact same collection of players? I think the answer is "yes." https://arrowheadaddict.com/2018/01/15/brian-daboll-somehow-able-find-meaningful-nfl-work-2018/ I knew it could be done without the dreaded rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfanlc Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Some of you guys dont understand. You can have the greatest scheme in the history of the NFL but without the players scheme is almost worthless. The Patriots aren't doing it with scheme. Derek Anderson or NP as the Patriot's QBs wouldn't have the record Brady does. I saw Daboll trying to throw new wrinkles in but there are NO weapons. No oline, no decent qb, and no decent wide receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Daboll is even worse than previously thought... Wants to look the part with the Matt Patricia pencil behind-the-ear pose... Guy is absolutely clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Braveheart said: Nonsense. As OC your job is to put players in position to make plays! This guy's offense sucks and doesn't maximize the talent that they do have! As OC your job is to gain yards and score points in EVERY game like the rest of the league, or at the very least score points in SOME games. Not NO points in 7 games! Like I said, I should call the plays and Bills win this game easily! It's one thing to put players in positions to make plays and another to make miracles, the fact that this offense was keeping up until the end was a miracle in itself, you do understand our veteran QB even being a veteran was on the couch at home with his family now he is the starter of our football team, it's crazy that they didn't put up another 40 burger on us. I just feel for the defense who usually is the reason were in these games in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 What do you expect with this talent?? Don't understand the dismay, can't fly like an eagle when all you have are turkeys. 40% of the roster is first and second year players, this is going to take time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosenNOTchosen1 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Fadingpain said: Look on the bright side: last week we scored 5 points. Tonight we scored 6. Improvement! Maybe next week we can get to 7. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 We won't fire McDermott out of formality, although we should. Sooner we get a better coach to work with Allen the better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 That 3rd and 8 run near the end of the half should be enough to get Daboll fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Shady was doing his best impression of Reggie Bush all night. Ivory was actually doing good at running up the gut and moving the pile and yet, we were trying to fool the Pats with our wildcat? Aye Carumba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Look on the bright side: last week we scored 5 points. Tonight we scored 6. Improvement! Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 On the 3rd and 8 they were blitzing big time so not a terrible call. Looked like Shady had a hole where he could have made the yards. It's a very frustrating year. People go nuts over the QB situation but the only thing they should have done differently was bringing in a vet like Anderson when they traded McCarron. Bottom line is either they were going to have their rookie play this year and deal with his up and downs, or a backup type like Anderson that is a backup for a reason. Wouldn't be different if it was McCarron or whomever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabden Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 hours ago, October 1918 said: Talent versus coaching can be debated endlessly, but the empirical evidence shows that we have an offensive coordinator who has never had success anywhere he's been. The last time Brian Daboll was an NFL offensive coordinator was the 2012 Kansas City Chiefs. It was the only offense this decade to average fewer than 14 points per game (we're currently far worse at only 10.9 ppg). That 2-14 Chiefs team had Jamaal Charles at running back, Dwayne Bowe at wide receiver, 4 year starter Matt Cassel at QB, etc. Certainly enough talent to score every once in a while. The next season with mostly the same players (although with Alex Smith at QB) and Andy Reid calling plays, the Chiefs went 11-5, made the playoffs, and had one of the league's better offenses. Of course we need more talent on offense, no one would argue otherwise. But, 4.5 seasons with 4 different teams and there is simply no evidence that Daboll has any idea what he is doing as an offensive coordinator. I have no doubt he could do better with more talent, but so could the universe of other potential offensive coordinators. The real question is: could someone else do better with this exact same collection of players? I think the answer is "yes." https://arrowheadaddict.com/2018/01/15/brian-daboll-somehow-able-find-meaningful-nfl-work-2018/ 2 "Mahomes looks like an MVP because the Chiefs gave him the tools to be as exceptional as he can be. The coaching has been insanely creative. The playcalling has rolled the dice on a number of occasions. The Chiefs are playing as confidently as ever under Andy Reid because they truly believe they can win any game against anyone." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Did you notice what Dabol play sheet looked like seemed like a piece of notebook paper with scribbles on it. The wildcat at start of game was clever but after catching Pats off balance on it once or twice he stuck with it. Plus has Shady EVER throw. The football? Did like flee flicker but defender played it perfectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 5 hours ago, John from Riverside said: How hard is it to understand that you can draw up the play....but the players have to execute it and our offensive talent is VERY BAD Cant run a screen to save our lives Cant pickup up the middle blitzes (blitz protection starts inside and you work your way out.....we are giving up INSIDE BLITZ SACKS Nobody can get consistant separation....players are not open when they need to be And this happens EVERY WEEK Until the team retools the offense with wide receivers that are actually NFL talent and a offensive line that Shady doent run into the ass of the back of his offensive linemen and fall down because they cant run block....until we get blocking at the 2nd level....until we are not playing a retired golfer and a guy that cant stay away from throwing interceptions on the out route We will continue to see this.....DEBOLL DOES NOT HAVE THE PLAYERS TO RUN HIS OFFENSE They are nfl players. Guess Daboll is your new guy to make excuses for 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Over 300 yards passing..... I saw some things I haven't seen before, but still the inability to score is just unbelievable...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Why is everything black or white around here? Daboll seems terrible to me, a real problem. So is our talent level! So are our quarterbacks! There's plenty of suck to go around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Missed opportunities. The play where DA fumbled the snap he had Zay Jones coming across the middle of the field on a Post. He was WIDE open for an easy TD. Croom thought he was going to make a one handed catch when he could have secured the ball with two. Benjamin had a couple of key drops. Penalties at the most ill timed moments. I don't put this one on Daboll. Outside of the ridiculous trick plays he went to one too many times the gameplan wasn't that bad. I think we should pound the rock with Ivory more and use Shady the same way the Pats use White for the rest of the year. The pass pro and QB play is just bad right now. It's something we will see for 8 more games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 6 hours ago, Braveheart said: Nonsense. As OC your job is to put players in position to make plays! This guy's offense sucks and doesn't maximize the talent that they do have! As OC your job is to gain yards and score points in EVERY game like the rest of the league, or at the very least score points in SOME games. Not NO points in 7 games! Like I said, I should call the plays and Bills win this game easily! After the good ount return by Hyde, Daboll called max protect and went deep, and a WR was running wide open for a corner of the end zone touchdown. Anderson fumbled the snap and got sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 6 hours ago, Braveheart said: Lol. This is seriously a joke. 0-3 points at the half...Again...for who knows how many games. 6 points total. OC needs to go! Since week 1! Team had plenty of chances to make plays on D- 3 dropped picks, missed fumble recovery. Gotta make plays. Make a play. 1 play. 2 plays: 1) 3rd & 8 and you run it!??? You're not fooling anyone trying to outsmart the Defense. You pass it for the first down and go for the Touchdown! 2) Big pass play to Benjamin. Next play, you run wildcat for -5!??? Terribleee play calling. With the momentum of a big play- You pass it again across the middle! Go after them and score a TD! OC needs to go. I should call the plays and I'll take this team to the promised land! It's not the OC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: I don't give a *****. This offense is unacceptable. Holmes is by far the best receiver. Nothing needed to be said beyond that. It's a fireable offense. I see what you did there. And I like it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 51 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Over 300 yards passing..... I saw some things I haven't seen before, but still the inability to score is just unbelievable...... teams gladly give up passing yards between the 20s in prevent D and hazmat suit garbagetime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: How hard is it to understand that you can draw up the play....but the players have to execute it and our offensive talent is VERY BAD Cant run a screen to save our lives Cant pickup up the middle blitzes (blitz protection starts inside and you work your way out.....we are giving up INSIDE BLITZ SACKS Nobody can get consistant separation....players are not open when they need to be And this happens EVERY WEEK Until the team retools the offense with wide receivers that are actually NFL talent and a offensive line that Shady doent run into the ass of the back of his offensive linemen and fall down because they cant run block....until we get blocking at the 2nd level....until we are not playing a retired golfer and a guy that cant stay away from throwing interceptions on the out route We will continue to see this.....DEBOLL DOES NOT HAVE THE PLAYERS TO RUN HIS OFFENSE Nonsense. His play calls suck. His Offense sucks. Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 How about that waterfall grpahic on ESPN during the game? Tyrod and McCarron over the falls... Pterman, Anderson, and Allen on the brink. Harsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Xwnyer said: Did you notice what Dabol play sheet looked like seemed like a piece of notebook paper with scribbles on it. You beat me to it! What in the world is going on? And it was actually three hole punched! I didn’t think they even made paper like that anymore. One good gust of wind and there went the offense. Unfreaking believable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 5 hours ago, Bfanlc said: Some of you guys dont understand. You can have the greatest scheme in the history of the NFL but without the players scheme is almost worthless. The Patriots aren't doing it with scheme. Derek Anderson or NP as the Patriot's QBs wouldn't have the record Brady does. I saw Daboll trying to throw new wrinkles in but there are NO weapons. No oline, no decent qb, and no decent wide receivers. I hope this is sarcasm. There are multiple nobodies who started for them and had success. Their schemes are a big part of their success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 6 hours ago, October 1918 said: Talent versus coaching can be debated endlessly, but the empirical evidence shows that we have an offensive coordinator who has never had success anywhere he's been. The last time Brian Daboll was an NFL offensive coordinator was the 2012 Kansas City Chiefs. It was the only offense this decade to average fewer than 14 points per game (we're currently far worse at only 10.9 ppg). That 2-14 Chiefs team had Jamaal Charles at running back, Dwayne Bowe at wide receiver, 4 year starter Matt Cassel at QB, etc. Certainly enough talent to score every once in a while. The next season with mostly the same players (although with Alex Smith at QB) and Andy Reid calling plays, the Chiefs went 11-5, made the playoffs, and had one of the league's better offenses. Of course we need more talent on offense, no one would argue otherwise. But, 4.5 seasons with 4 different teams and there is simply no evidence that Daboll has any idea what he is doing as an offensive coordinator. I have no doubt he could do better with more talent, but so could the universe of other potential offensive coordinators. The real question is: could someone else do better with this exact same collection of players? I think the answer is "yes." https://arrowheadaddict.com/2018/01/15/brian-daboll-somehow-able-find-meaningful-nfl-work-2018/ Yes is correct. Chan Gailey did so, right here in Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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