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I searched through the posts to see if anyone else was thinking along these lines, came across another thread discussing going after him in the offseason, and thought that's not soon enough.

Listening to the national media the past several days, the Jaguars have been the subject of a lot of discussions. After yesterday's loss, and subsequent quotes from Marrone throwing doubt on their QB position for the upcoming week, there's even more speculation surrounding what their plan of action might be. They're a team with a great defense, but are failing so miserably on offense it's hard to gauge where they stand competitively. 

Sound like anyone else? Names are being thrown around left & right as to who the Jags should target if they have any hopes of righting their ship, but Bridgewater seems to be the most popular candidate. Although I feel it's far too big an ask at this point for any QB to salvage our season, we can make it not a total loss by also getting a real QB under center who offers far more upside than simply being a warm body not named Peterman.

Our coaching staff & brass were idiots regarding how they handled our QB situation post-Tyrod, but they have a chance to actually offer some sense of stability, hope, and performance, while simultaneously not completely losing the locker room. With Bridgewater, they can at least give the appearance that they aren't completely inept, that they do care about winning, and most importantly, to motivate the guys in locker room not to phone it in for the remainder of the season. Trotting out an old relic we had for barely over a week, who ideally should've been on the roster the moment camp started to mentor Allen, does not signal you are taking the horrible situation you made for yourself seriously.

A  25 year old, former 1st round pick, who was talented enough to be named Pepsi Rookie of the Year in 2014, make the NFL's All Rookie team at QB, and make the Pro Bowl in the 2015 season (his only full year as a starter), and is 17-11 as a starter, is definitely worth a look. If any current league backup could spark some confidence in this team, while also having the benefit of being developed in your system & molded into the type of player you can confidently start or retain as a backup for years, it's Bridgewater. 

He also played in a system that valued running the ball, playing defense, not turning the ball over, etc. while even being able to churn out 300+ yard passing games when needed. The Saints traded a 3rd round pick for him (plus a 6th from the Jets), in a move which showed some real foresight & experience from the coaching staff. We'd likely have to offer a bit more, but with the way Brees is playing, it's likely they can be coaxed into parting ways since it's clear they still have a very real window left to win another championship.

The Bills stand to gain more than just a win or 2 this year. They gain an insurance plan, they gain fan confidence, they gain player confidence, they gain at least SOME full time experience, they gain a guy who plays the style of football they claim to want, and they gain MONEY. Perhaps not as important from a fan perspective, the ownership would appreciate that bit a great amount. The way the season is heading, fans will be less inclined to tune in each passing week. A couple more blowouts against awful teams, watching the offense fail to move the ball & toss up record amounts of turnovers, will lead to fan interest taking a nose dive until the 2019 draft. And when an offense is THIS bad, the defense will be less interested to put their bodies on the line for an inevitable loss, or playing behind guys who won't be on the team at the end of the season.

And Allen? He wasn't ready to start in the first place. He wasn't a great player in JUCO or College anyway, and was drafted on the hope that over time, the coaching staff would be able to correct his issues & mold him into a player capable of simply starting, let alone becoming a franchise player. Having Bridgewater to take the reigns for the time being affords him REAL time, not Derek Anderson kind of time....you know, a guy they invested nothing to get, never wanted, and is only there because another guy who's awful can't be thrown out there. When you know Anderson is going to be benched the first second Allen is able to play, it doesn't afford him the serious time he needs to grow (possibly even heal). Worse, if Allen looks the same at the end of the year as he does now, how does our QB position look going into next year? With Bridgewater around, at least our coaching staff will be there to see it, and at least they will still be there to groom their QB of the future in Allen.

Without a real, viable backup or plan in place for the position outside of "hope to god Allen improves dramatically somehow while laying an egg on the field each week," McDermott & Co. won't even be afforded the time needed to coach up their prospect, which we all know leads to the next coaching staff coming in & cleaning house of the old regime's picks. If we ever want Allen to be worth a damn, it can't get to that point. Otherwise, we all better hope whoever takes McDermott's spot is the 2nd coming of Sean McVay & that he rights the ship in year 1...or else expect a new QB to be drafted in 2020.

 

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I'm the person that suggested going after him in the off-season (and got laughed at), so I'll be the person to end this thread.

 

The Saints traded a 3rd for him. We would need to trade at least a 2nd (which will be a borderline 1st round pick).

 

We're not going to do that after spending two first round picks on the QB position already. The end.

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4 minutes ago, Virgil said:

No offense but, how hard did you search?

Not hard enough,  I give OP a pass as he is usually on point.

 

Hell no here to Bridgewater. If we are going to chase other teams somewhat available QB's it should be either Carr or Foles. 

 

Why are people so hung up on this guy who was mediocre/average before he blew his knee into a million pieces?

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Another poster who thinks this is Madden and you can force any team to trade a player just cause you want them.

 

SMFH. The Saints traded for him because they wanted him not so they could turn around and trade him again.

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why ??????? is this a playoff team?

this season is about getting Allen as many reps as we can and getting a high pick - dont screw that up

 

who cares what back up is playing some of us act like OMG we picked a guy up off the street..so what. 

he's not the future just helping us get  through this season

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Saints are trying to win a Super Bowl and know the importance of having a backup QB that's capable of playing in the NFL.

 

None of the 3 QBs on our roster are able to play in the NFL right now. DA is done and Allen is work in progress, Peterman shouldn't be on the team

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Drew Brees is 39 years old, and the New Orleans Saints sit on top of the NFC South with a 5-1 record.  When they traded a third round pick to get him, Sean Payton was not just thinking about a backup QB this season.  He was thinking about the post Drew Brees era.  The market rate for Bridgewater is already high.  If Payton thinks he's got a 25 year old QB of the future on the roster already, it would be just about impossible to pry him off the New Orleans roster, and the price will be exhorbitant if it's even possible.

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Why in the world would the Saints be interested in trading him away?  They are seriously thinking SB, and Bridgewater is a relatively cheap backup.  Moreover, they get a season long look at possibly Brees' future replacement.

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OP is right.  Bridgewater was the obvious signing in the off-season, being that he himself coulda been our franchise QB.  He also could given Allen the 3-5 years of pine riding he needs.  But our inept FO totally blew it.  

 

I'd love the trade but it's unlikely.  I'd give up a second, but I don't think the saints will take it.  Bridgewater is likely their starter after Brees retires.  

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The time to land Bridgewater was months ago when he could be had for next to nothing. I thought he was by far the best option at the time. I assumed that we passed because of the injury thingy. I sure hope these guys knew what they were doing when they drafted Josh Allen. Not targeting Teddy was dumb IMO.

2 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

Why do some people here want post injured Tyrod Taylor light?

 

It's clear the Raiders are scrapping down and in fire sale mode. Go for Carr if you want to make a big move on Offense, or Davante Parker.

 

Bridgewater is not at all like Tyrod. In fact he's sorta like the opposite. 

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38 minutes ago, Mark80 said:

All that time writing a huge post that no one is going to read more than the headline of.  Such a shame.

I did read the post, and much of the reasoning is sound.  It's just completely unrealistic.

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1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

When he stepped onto an NFL field, and when the Vikings were willing to let him walk with no guarantee of landing Cousins. Even if he didn't explode his knee, he was still getting replaced. The kid is not a starting caliber QB

He got hurt and was going to be out 1 and a half years so the Vikings tried to move on. Coming back from a massive injury like that is a big deal but I've yet to see him prove he can't play QB.

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Last thing we need right now is an inexperienced QB who will need to be developed.

 

 

1 hour ago, Strethor said:

McBeane chose AJ McCarron over Teddy Bridgewater as a stop gap QB for JA.. ***** ridiculous 

 

 

 

 

He likely did that with the (correct) feeling that McCarron could be a mentor to Allen, while Bridgewater couldn't. Then McCarron became #3 not #1 or #2 and showed signs of discontent (according to Carucci). If we'd known that would happen then yeah, Bridgewater would have been a better pickup.

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2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

When he stepped onto an NFL field, and when the Vikings were willing to let him walk with no guarantee of landing Cousins. Even if he didn't explode his knee, he was still getting replaced. The kid is not a starting caliber QB

 

 

Sigh, another person who confuses his opinion with fact.

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2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Last thing we need right now is an inexperienced QB who will need to be developed.

 

 

 

 

He likely did that with the (correct) feeling that McCarron could be a mentor to Allen, while Bridgewater couldn't. Then McCarron became #3 not #1 or #2 and showed signs of discontent (according to Carucci). If we'd known that would happen then yeah, Bridgewater would have been a better pickup.

Yeah and why did our brain trust make Mccaron the #3?????? 

 

Hmmmmmmm????????

 

Worst blunder in recent memory honestly a huge and awful mistake and stain. I honestly think its a criminal, fireable offense and im usually pretty level headed and I WAS a mcbean fan

 

 

Like how did peterman bamboozle these coaches wow. What an indictment on their ability to evaluate

I made a post before season started saying it was embarassing to be starting a punter thats never even been on the team  for 1 week before the season started...

 

I mean i thought that was bad but this.. this is just beyond incompetent and it shows and quite frankly embarassing for fans and owners.

 

Coaches im sure too if their egos arnt so big they cant recognize their own collosal mistakes.

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4 hours ago, BillsFan692 said:

Yeah and why did our brain trust make Mccaron the #3?????? 

 

Hmmmmmmm????????

 

 

Wow, tough question. Why did they make him the #3? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Jeez.

 

Couldn't have been because he played third-best, could it?

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10 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

Not hard enough,  I give OP a pass as he is usually on point.

 

Hell no here to Bridgewater. If we are going to chase other teams somewhat available QB's it should be either Carr or Foles. 

 

Why are people so hung up on this guy who was mediocre/average before he blew his knee into a million pieces?

Derek Carr would be very very nice, would pretty much guarantee we end up with a franchise QB. I'd offer Oakland two 2nds, but I wouldn't give up our 1st.

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10 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

Does Bridgewater play WR or TE?

 

Exactly. Please stop this nonsense.

 

Right.


Last time I heard that was JP Losman...oh wait, it was Trent Edwards, wait nvm, it was Ryan Fitzpatrick, no that's not it, it was EJ Manuel, oh shoot...it was Tyrod Taylor!

It's always something, it's just never the QB is it? If it's not the WR's or TE's, it's the O-line...if not the O-line, it's the Offensive Coordinator. If not the OC, it's the HC.

It's the f'ing QB's... And I'm saying this as someone who's well aware of the O-line & WR situations, as I've been harping on it all offseason. But unless you haven't been paying attention to the All-22 breakdowns or what everyone in the world can see, the QB's are far WORSE than any other position on offense. Until the QB's can even improve to the level of the other skill positions, you can't blame them.

There's plenty of evidence showing the WR's, as poorly assembled a group as they may be, are getting open more often than not, and it's the awful QB play that's really dragging down the offense. Any half-decent QB could at least consistently go 16/25 for 175 yards, and 1 TD with most any group of WR's and TE's. Problem is we don't have anything even close to resembling "half decent." Deny all you want, but you're foolish to pretend otherwise. 

Ignore all the players (both former, and current...including those on our team), coaches, scouts, experts, journalists (both local & national), statistics, etc. but no capable QB's could crap the bed week in & week out like Josh Allen + Peterman + Anderson.

- Peter King, Murph & Tasker - https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/10-16-hr-3-one-bills-live (Bills QB situation is "lunacy")
- All 22: https://twitter.com/Cover_1_/status/1049420057254776832
- More All 22 (Allen's supporting cast is limited by HIM, not the other way around) - https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/10/09/josh-allens-struggles-go-beyond-lackluster-supporting-cast/
- Todd Gurley alone has more points than the entire Bills Offense - https://sports.yahoo.com/todd-gurley-outscored-bills-7-weeks-025127902.html
- The Bills passing offense is averaging the same stats as teams from 1941 - http://www.footballperspective.com/week-6-passing-stats-the-bills-are-above-average-at-passing-for-1941/

But stay in denial, even though all the evidence points to the QB's holding back the already low-skilled WR's, TE's and offense in general -_-

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6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

This is an opinion stated as a fact. And not even a particularly solid opinion ...

 

 

 

Sorry if you can't handle implicit statements. That's not my problem. I don't go around qualifying statements with "imo". Of course it's my opinion, because I'm the one saying it, and I haven't provided a peer reviewed paper with citations for confirmation.

 

Done with you.

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