McDermott hangs up on Schopp and Bulldog

[gobills1212]

19 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Lmao.

 

A bit better? A bit better? Peterson is the worst QB in the history of the league. Tuel ***** on him. 

 

Salary cap my ass. They had plenty of cap. They completely misnhandled the position. Keep Tyrod or McCarron don't trade them away for mid round picks in favor of Peterman. 

Honest question, for once im not being a smart @$$...

For what? 6 wins instead of 4?

Most applauded the way the Bills stood pat and grabbed AJM for a much less than some perceived his value to be. 

Then he came in and looked like the 5th rd pick he was. If rumor is true and he wasnt going to be a good soldier and play mentor 3rd string after worsening his situation from the 2 in Cinn then its addition by subtraction. They, nor anyone else knew it would shake out like that. They then had a chance to get something back from a crummy situation. Sure, it left a mentor gap but so many want to act like AJM would have just accepted a demotion after expecting a promotion.  Even if he was the starter- he was a sacrificial lamb. Crappy qb on a crappy team. All that changes is rather than Allen playing now, we'd be calling for his shot. It may not have been different if they shelled out for Keenum instead of AJM except then we have people calling it a dumb waste of $$. Its a no win, because again, this team wasnt meant to go deep in the playoffs. It seems like a stepping stone to get to next year. To a certain extent, the names are interchangeable. AJM, TT, Keenum, take your pick. I doubt it matters

[Thurman#1]

29 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Lmao.

 

A bit better? A bit better? Peterson is the worst QB in the history of the league. Tuel ***** on him. 

 

Salary cap my ass. They had plenty of cap. They completely misnhandled the position. Keep Tyrod or McCarron don't trade them away for mid round picks in favor of Peterman. 

 

 

You're simply wrong about having plenty of cap. They didn't, particularly after Whaley screwed up the cap and even more so after they told the Pegulas they would clean up the cap by the end of this year.

 

They should've kept McCarron? Fair enough. If you think that would've been a big upgrade when he was the #3 guy in the competition here, I applaud your optimism.

 

As for Tyrod, he was too expensive. Would've cost 'em around $9 mill extra, and we're a team with $10 mill available, a team that like most teams likes to keep around $5 mill available to handle injury replacements. Not to mention that we're a team preparing for the long term and we knew Tyrod was not it. You don't spend a huge chunk of your before the season free cap on a guy who's a Band-aid, who you don't want long-term, for a year when the situation you're in means you're pretty certain to suck. 

 

And yes, a bit better. It's not like bringing in a guy who's still out there like Anderson is likely to make a big difference. This is a poor offense.

[The Wiz]

26 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Lmao.

 

A bit better? A bit better? Peterson is the worst QB in the history of the league. Tuel ***** on him. 

 

Salary cap my ass. They had plenty of cap. They completely misnhandled the position. Keep Tyrod or McCarron don't trade them away for mid round picks in favor of Peterman. 

They had 10.6m in cap space at the end of 2017 and Taylor signed for a cap hit of 16m.  Not to mention needing to sign rookies.  How is that plenty.  And keeping TT would have accounted for 7.6m of that (well dead space numbers anyways).

 

I prefer them taking it in the teeth for a season and draft a bunch of offense next year to help the offense without moving around unless they can get players with the picks.  I'm not a capologist but I'm pretty sure the contract that were given to a hand full or so of players basically screwed the bills for a few years stemming from 2-3 seasons ago.

[gobills1212]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

They had 10.6m in cap space at the end of 2017 and Taylor signed for a cap hit of 16m.  Not to mention needing to sign rookies.  How is that plenty.  And keeping TT would have accounted for 7.6m of that (well dead space numbers anyways).

 

I prefer them taking it in the teeth for a season and draft a bunch of offense next year to help the offense without moving around unless they can get players with the picks.  I'm not a capologist but I'm pretty sure the contract that were given to a hand full or so of players basically screwed the bills for a few years stemming from 2-3 seasons ago.

Did we just become best friends??

[The Wiz]

52 minutes ago, gobills1212 said:

Did we just become best friends??

https://giphy.com/gifs/will-ferrell-john-c-reilly-step-brothers-VgNQdejHFZJdu

 

I can't figure out how to post gifs from giphy from my phone.

Edited October 16, 2018 by The Wiz

[The Bills Blog]

3 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Just curious, doesn't he go on the show (in studio)for this segment?

 

The audio is crystal clear when normally when they call in you get that typical crappy talking in a wind tunnel audio.

 

I can't figure this out either. It's actually the AT&T hotline. Whenever McDermott or Sal are on it, it sounds like they are in studio. It's crystal clear. But when Murph is on it, it sounds like a regular phone call. What's the deal?

3 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Doesn't have a choice?  Going into the season with one QB and Peterman on the roster is a choice.  Prepping for week 2 with one QB on the roster and Peterman is a choice.  Prepping for week 3 with one QB on the roster and Peterman is a choice.  Prepping for week 4 with one QB on the roster and Peterman is a choice.  Waiting until week 5 to sign a second QB to the roster was a choice.

Right, but that's not what he meant, and you know it. The question is whether or not he has a choice THIS WEEK.

[Fadingpain]

No, McD doesn't go into the studio to talk each Monday with Schopp & Bulldog.

 

He calls in to the station over a telephone line, as most, if not all guest appearances are done at the station.

 

S&B broadcast from "716" on Sabres home game days and then guests come to them at that location in person, that's about all I can think of that is not talking to them over the telephone.

 

 

 

 

[The Bills Blog]

Several things:

 

* McDermott is thin-skinned. He should be expecting questions like this.

 

* It was embarrassing hearing Bulldog try to twist his questions so they didn't sound critical, but in my opinion, that just makes the recipient feel more disrespected.

 

* My theory is that Schopp called McDermott afterwards to apologize. Because I think Schopp is actually a little kitty.

 

* I think McDermott is actually legitimately intimidated by Schopp. Which is pathetic, because Schopp is an insecure little kitty.

 

* This interview was full of subtle digs at Schopp along with obvious respect for Bulldog. It's obvious that McDermott is the type of person who treats you differently to prove a point and wants to maintain control by making people wonder where they stand.

[gobills1212]

5 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said:

Several things:

 

* McDermott is thin-skinned. He should be expecting questions like this.

 

* It was embarrassing hearing Bulldog try to twist his questions so they didn't sound critical, but in my opinion, that just makes the recipient feel more disrespected.

 

* My theory is that Schopp called McDermott afterwards to apologize. Because I think Schopp is actually a little kitty.

 

* I think McDermott is actually legitimately intimidated by Schopp. Which is pathetic, because Schopp is an insecure little kitty.

 

* This interview was full of subtle digs at Schopp along with obvious respect for Bulldog. It's obvious that McDermott is the type of person who treats you differently to prove a point and wants to maintain control by making people wonder where they stand.

Why?

 

This is bordering fan fiction

 

 

Somewhere McD is screaming "GET OUT OF MY HEAD"

Edited October 16, 2018 by gobills1212

[Fadingpain]

6 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said:

Several things:

 

* McDermott is thin-skinned. He should be expecting questions like this.

 

* It was embarrassing hearing Bulldog try to twist his questions so they didn't sound critical, but in my opinion, that just makes the recipient feel more disrespected.

 

* My theory is that Schopp called McDermott afterwards to apologize. Because I think Schopp is actually a little kitty.

 

* I think McDermott is actually legitimately intimidated by Schopp. Which is pathetic, because Schopp is an insecure little kitty.

 

* This interview was full of subtle digs at Schopp along with obvious respect for Bulldog. It's obvious that McDermott is the type of person who treats you differently to prove a point and wants to maintain control by making people wonder where they stand.

I said way up thread that I thought Schopp ended up on the phone with McD, but not to apologize.  I think he may have tried to contact McD to say "What just happened?" and then got into it with him a little bit on the phone such that he missed the rest of Hour 3 of the show.

 

The conversation was not a lot different than normal IMO, though Schopp's very first question was pretty edgy and somewhat offensive.  "What is it that you see and like in Nathan Peterman that no one else does?"  or words to that effect.

 

That's kind of insulting, and Schopp does not take that type of tone with McD AT ALL.  He usually waits to talk about him on the show, but he doesn't go after him directly when he has the chance.

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

That's exactly what they thought.  And even after witnessing another dismal outing week 1 which should have erased any doubt about Peterman's ability to get the job done on Sunday they did nothing.  Weeks went by.  And now they're in a position where they may have to play Peterman and that's inexcusable in my opinion.

What you state here is Mike Schopp's personal battle cry.  He's been on this for so long Bulldog actually told him he was sick of talking about it recently.  

 

And it's 100% true.  It is shocking to me that Nate Peterman is still on the roster as of 10/16/2018.

 

Keep in mind there is not another team in the NFL that would put Peterman on their roster.

Not one.

 

 

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, The Bills Blog said:

I can't figure this out either. It's actually the AT&T hotline. Whenever McDermott or Sal are on it, it sounds like they are in studio. It's crystal clear. But when Murph is on it, it sounds like a regular phone call. What's the deal?

Right, but that's not what he meant, and you know it. The question is whether or not he has a choice THIS WEEK.

As was already explained to Tyrion, who found the idea laughable that McD finds his seat hotter and leash shorter for trotting out Peterman this week, it isn't just about the choice available this week. NO choice THIS week is NO excuse for reasons I have already detailed.  Carrying only one QB who is (debatably) ready to start a game and Peterman on your roster through week 5 is unacceptable.  Why would McD or Beane get a pass for being "forced" into having to play a QB who has repeatedly demonstrated that he doesn't belong on an NFL roster? 

 

I know there's a mysterious Process and I'm supposed to trust it implicitly, but: this team went into camp with AJM, Peterman, and Allen; traded AJM in August; named Peterman the starter; pulled the plug on Peterman after 30 minutes of play which once again showed he has no business playing in this league; decided to roll with the rookie rather than have him sit a year as originally planned; 5 weeks later decided maybe adding a 2nd NFL QB to the roster might be wise and a veteran presence might be a good thing for the rookie after all; and then was "forced" into a situation where Peterman might have to play again.  That isn't a long term plan, process, or even a lowly strategy.  That's a front office making it up as they go along which appears lost when it comes to evaluating the most important position in team sports. 

 

 

Edited October 16, 2018 by Jauronimo

[Richard Noggin]

5 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Was Derek Anderson not available in August?  Not buying it.

 

Anderson, in a very recent interview (last week after signing) with the same WGR guys, did delicately allude to plans/circumstances (that eventually didn't work out) which prevented him from signing with anyone in the off-season. He was not specific about it, but clearly had some other situation he was prioritizing (until it fell through).

[Doc Brown]

The one thing I picked up that may have pissed McDermott off besides the Peterman line of questioning is when he Schopp brought up the pass interference in the end zone implying the Bills don't throw it down the field enough.  There was then the snarky, "What are you asking?" question by McDermott.  It was a fun interview to listen too.

[Ol Dirty B]

5 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

I love how guys say “We should have picked up another QB” or “Should have signed that guy”. You understand it’s a two way street right? The “qualified” QB you speak of has to: 1) Want to play in the NFL or possibly retire (Derek Anderson) and 2) Want to play for the Bills or hold out for a possible starting gig and 3) There has to be an agreement re. $$.  You don’t just grab a QB like you grab a 6 pack of Milwaukee’s Best at 7-11. 

 

A 6 pack of Milwaukee's best is a very apt comparison for the Bills QBs.

2 hours ago, The Bills Blog said:

I can't figure this out either. It's actually the AT&T hotline. Whenever McDermott or Sal are on it, it sounds like they are in studio. It's crystal clear. But when Murph is on it, it sounds like a regular phone call. What's the deal?

 

Because it's just a sponsorship. They aren't all calling from the same device or place. Paul Hamilton also calls in from the AT&T hotline, from all over. He has some headset crap he uses. Surely the idea this is just a sponsorship and they're just calling a number can't be jaw dropping. They aren't exchanging nuclear codes.

[RosenNOTchosen1]

8 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

No matter how much you wish, or spew dumb comments, unless McDermott quits, he will be the HC for at least three more seasons.

 

Buckle up, buttercup.

Really?

 

What if Allen is a bust?

7 hours ago, Returntoglory said:

All these idiot's do (Schoop ESPECIALLY) are ridicule the Bills organization and McDermott especially. Then they have the stupidity to do it leading up to his show! They have to know he's probably listening. Non-athletic asswipes who are clueless questioning an NFL headcoach? Yeah, I'd be pissed too and hang up! ?

They have the right to question how the team is being run.

[The Process]

We're talking about this?

[BuffaloButt]

8 hours ago, Returntoglory said:

All these idiot's do (Schoop ESPECIALLY) are ridicule the Bills organization and McDermott especially. Then they have the stupidity to do it leading up to his show! They have to know he's probably listening. Non-athletic asswipes who are clueless questioning an NFL headcoach? Yeah, I'd be pissed too and hang up! ?

Serious question, WHY SHOULDN'T THEY RIDUCLE THE BILLS ORGANIZATION?  The Bills have not been good and have made some bad decisions and continue to make bad decisions (Peterman still on roster).  I know Schoop is hard on callers but he tells it as it is and most Bills fans frustration is at it's limit.  If Allen does not become a franchise QB next year we are set back another 5 years.  The owners, coaches and GM should not be given any slack until they become a winner again.  

[Buffalo Barbarian]

10 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Just happened so I don't have any links. But I found it very out of character for him. He didn't seem to appreciate questions about Peterman and how an offense should operate.

 

EDIT: I should state it wasn't mid interview. At the end where they do their regular closing - he hung up on them during the goodbyes. It was clearly intentional. Listen in the audio vault when available.

 

good for him, those clowns are dushnoodles.

 

 

[Returntoglory]

2 hours ago, RosenNOTchosen1 said:

Really?

 

What if Allen is a bust?

They have the right to question how the team is being run.

They have the "right". Love it. 

[JMF2006]

8 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Lol I'm assuming this a joke... lol cornfed

 

When everyone was looking for a nickname for JA this is the one I came up with  

 

[QB Bills]

McDumbass could literally forget to show up to the game this Sunday and you'd have "fans" defending him saying "it's only one game" or "you can't blame him with how mean Schopp was to him on Monday".

 

Good on Schopp for asking the questions that real fans want answered instead of the softballs water-carrying lackeys like Sal go for. Seriously, how pathetic was his "sorry" at the press conference?

 

This team has been run by idiots for going on two decades now yet people complain about how smug a radio host is. Go listen to John Murphy's daily tongue baths if the truth bothers you that much. 

[CBD]

6 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

No, McD doesn't go into the studio to talk each Monday with Schopp & Bulldog.

 

He calls in to the station over a telephone line, as most, if not all guest appearances are done at the station.

 

S&B broadcast from "716" on Sabres home game days and then guests come to them at that location in person, that's about all I can think of that is not talking to them over the telephone.

 

 

 

 

McD connects with them from the studio in Orchard Park. 

Edited October 16, 2018 by CBend

[Green Lightning]

13 hours ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

No that's not really true Mike said thanks Sean. The interview was over he just didn't say bye

Correct.  Schopp said thanks Sean and he left the call. OP needs to listen better.

13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Who hasn’t wanted to do that? 

There's that. ?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I'm finding myself in a strange place with WGR. Used to be I hated the instigators. Now it's the only show on that station I'm listening to.

 

 

[MRM33064]

Despite our continual yip-yapping (including mine), history clearly shows:

- we'll tolerate losing

- we'll tolerate having QBs regularly throw for less than 100 yards/game,

- we'll tolerate having a 30 year old RB as our best offensive player,

- we'll tolerate having a backup QB who quite possibly has the worst QB on-field performance in the history of the game, all because he: says "yes, Sir" to the coach, practices hard, goes to church, leads his Boy Scout troop, etc.

- we'll tolerate focusing on defense in a league that is purposefully tweaking its own rules to promote offense,

- we'll tolerate using 2 roster spots on a 3rd kicker and a fullback,

- we'll tolerate some jive about "culture" and "process" as though those things were substitutes for talent (instead of, say, doing it the other way: acquiring talent and teaching them culture ...)

- we'll tolerate a coach that thinks "analytics" are only things that guys who get pushed into lockers worry about ...

 

... But we will NOT, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES tolerate getting snotty with us when we ask questions.  Especially critical ones.  The quickest (and possibly the only) way out the door for a Buffalo Bills coach is to lose fan support.    

 

McD's little dictator routine that he's displayed as of late will not sell in November when we've officially dropped out of "in the hunt" status.

Edited October 16, 2018 by MRM33064

[The Bills Blog]

5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

A 6 pack of Milwaukee's best is a very apt comparison for the Bills QBs.

 

Because it's just a sponsorship. They aren't all calling from the same device or place. Paul Hamilton also calls in from the AT&T hotline, from all over. He has some headset crap he uses. Surely the idea this is just a sponsorship and they're just calling a number can't be jaw dropping. They aren't exchanging nuclear codes.

Why is it crystal clear when Sal calls in, regardless of where he is?

[Greatdane21]

Obviously if the Bills had unlimited cap space peterman would not be even the backup  here.  Anderson was looking elsewhere 

but the situation he was looking for did not materialize. For what they got, McCarron trade was not good but again there are always 

cap space considerations when your in salary cap jail. We may have to live with peterman until Anderson is ready and or Allen returns or the OL kills Peterman. Till Buffalo gets out of their cap situation not much can be done.

 

[CBD]

9 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said:

Why is it crystal clear when Sal calls in, regardless of where he is?

He’s not on a phone, he and Paul have some sort of device they use to connect remotely through the internet.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

9 hours ago, GreatComeback said:

Man these threads have really gone downhill.... I wonder why

 

...Fisher-Price Wi-Fi is the culprit.............

[BillsVet]

It was criminal for McBeane to enter this season with Peterman the starter and a rookie backing him up. Knowing how often QBs get injured and Peterman's play last year, is it that hard to acknowledge you need a third option? Is it worth having another backup LB or DB on the 53 man roster over another QB with a depth chart like that?

 

I expect the GM and HC to better plan at the most important position and that's not hindsight. They got cute at QB and it came back to hurt them.  If McCoach doesn't like that, well, too bad.

 

No reasonable person expected Buffalo to win double digit games, but when you've got a chance at Houston and the backup already failed QB loses it for you, there's going to be frustration.

[Returntoglory]

Just like the clowns on the radio this morning. CONSTANT pokes towards McDermott and his development of Allen, cutting Peterman, bad coaching decisions, etc. Smart ass comments that only inflame the situation and of course, they know will piss McD off.

 

I know they're sticking up for Schoop, but seriously, I would not waste my time with the hacks.

BUT when it's the only game in town and you have a contract...

[plenzmd1]

That was as far from described in original post as can be. 

 

Sounded like a notmal conversation with a with a coach after a loss where he has made some questionable decisions. 

 

Nothing to see here as they say. 

[T master]

16 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Well I would hang up on them too if they questioned what I was doing as an NFL head coach by two radio hosts.

 

Yah but when does the forest come into view for the tree's ? Sure Petermen is great guy, has a great work ethic, & has a decent arm for the college game .

 

But this is the NFL & like a coach once said it stands for Not For long if you can't produce in this league weather it be a player or a coach so this coach needs to see what's in front of him & do the appropriate thing .

 

Because by Petermen continuing to d what he does on the field no matter how mentally tough the kid is eventually he will be ruined given what he has done to this point !! 

[YoloinOhio]

8 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

That was as far from described in original post as can be. 

 

Sounded like a notmal conversation with a with a coach after a loss where he has made some questionable decisions. 

 

Nothing to see here as they say. 

It’s 2018, and I demand more fake outrage from you, sir. 

[Mr. WEO]

16 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

He’s from Philly, right? Oddly enough all the people I work with from NJ or Philly don’t say bye at the end of phone conversations. They just hang up. 

 

It's the "Irish goodbye"

[eanyills]

2 hours ago, Returntoglory said:

Just like the clowns on the radio this morning. CONSTANT pokes towards McDermott and his development of Allen, cutting Peterman, bad coaching decisions, etc. Smart ass comments that only inflame the situation and of course, they know will piss McD off.

 

I know they're sticking up for Schoop, but seriously, I would not waste my time with the hacks.

BUT when it's the only game in town and you have a contract...

 

Buffalo sports media is pretty tame. If WGR gets to McD, then he better stay away from any hotbed media markets. They would eat him alive.

 

The Bills have been a tire fire for a long time. Although showing improvement and ending the drought, there’s a lot of red flags about McD and Allen. The things WGR is talking about and asking McD is exactly what they should be.

 

Why is Allen playing?

Why is Peterman on the team?

Why is the offensive roster devoid of talent?

How can you preach culture and have KB be a direct contradiction of it?

And many of McD’s decisions are highly suspect. It’s not 1993. All the data casual observers could ever need to make logical criticisms is out there. The data isn’t kind to McD.

 

You can love the Bills. You can like McD. You can even like the direction the team is going in but there’s plenty to criticize and WGR isn’t in the wrong here.

[AllenWillBust]

17 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

It was the first time they have ever really pressed him and he didn't like it.  McDermott was snappy with them the whole time and once told Schopp "I'm not sure what your asking" in a condescending tone.  Then hung up without saying goodbye haha.

 

It's obvious he is not HC material, on and off the field.

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

17 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said:

 

It's obvious he is not HC material, on and off the field.

I don't agree with that.  He has done some pretty good things so far and he has proven himself as a defensive mind and coach.  That said before the Bills had a 17 year playoff drought, the team went to 4 Super Bowls.  We are a proud fan base and although the end of the drought won McDermott a lot of good will, that can all be gone if and almost is with his handling of the QB position and his insistence on having Peterman on this roster.  His personal feelings for this kid have clouded his football judgement and it has cost the team games.

Edited October 16, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12

[BillnutinHouston]

16 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

No, I don't think that is what it was at all.

 

I know just what you are talking about.  McD just hung up without saying "bye" or anything else once Schopp effectively made it clear the interview was over by saying "All right Sean, thanks."

 

 

 

Mike, I'm sure you're a fine person but I really dislike how you do your job.

[TheFunPolice]

The real story is Schopp disappearing for a good 15 minutes afterward, leaving Bulldog to stumble through the next 2 segments with nobody to help him as he fought his daily battles with the English language....

 

Where did Mike go? what was he doing? What did he know? When did he know it?

 

What happened during SCHOPP'S LOST SEGMENTS?

 

 

Edited October 16, 2018 by TheFunPolice