I sincerely don't get all of the negativity.....

[billsfan_34]

11 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

Zay Jones has been quietly prettyyyyyy good this year.... I think hes #2 or 3 in the NFL in yardage separated from defenders per route.

I want him to be loudly good lol!!!!

[DasNootz]

The negativity comes from the fact that we're "Trusting the Process" that they will suddenly become good and pro-personnel scouting when we have the money to go out and spend... so far that hasn't been the case.  HOPEFULLY we have the nucleus to build around, but there are other teams  including the Jets in our own division that will have  a lot of money to spend this year too, so we will still have to persuade or overspend to get FAs in the door.  If Allen can show something more than 100 yards per week down the stretch, maybe the persuasion would be a little more likely.

Edited October 15, 2018 by DasNootz

[COTC]

The Rex/Whaley regime was a better put together team with more talent. It’s a coin flip weather Rex was a better coach than McD. 

 

I think they let Rex and Whales go too early. 

 

Hopefully they make the same mistake with this inept front office. 

[billsfan_34]

14 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...strange that those predictors and prognosticators are probably the SAME ONES who show up on a Sunday with "Buffalo sucks..." OR "fire__________immediately"......threads....go figure..........

You may be on to something lol... I think we can all agree Peterman sucks thou! 

Edited October 15, 2018 by billsfan_34

[ddaryl]

3 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

You named 6 players.. We couldn't afford 3 ... one is OK...?

Did you expect us to be good this year?

 

 

I expect us to bebetter on O than the crap fest we are swallowing.

 

Defense is playing awesome and at a playoff level. All our O has to do is produce moderately and this is a playoff team. In fact 3 games Allen has passed for less than 100 yds in a game... I don't care if you are a rookie that is unacceptable at any level.. Even a piss poor rookie should be able to put up 150 yds average minimum IMO. Instead we have 2 TDs 5 INT's and 21 sacks. He has to improve quickly because if the O stays flat negativity will rise

[row_33]

Wow, people have differing opinions on a football board

 

and some are too positive and some too negative

 

imagine....

 

 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, warrior9 said:

You named 6 players.. We couldn't afford 3 ... one is OK...?

I think it's okay to question particular moves of this regime. It won't help having all that cap space for free agents and draft picks if they don't use them well. Some posters suggest there isn't likely to be a lot of quality free agents in our positions of need. Idk, but so far I don't see much reason to think McD and Beane can evaluate the offensive side of the ball properly. I'm not sold on any of the offensive coaches, though they may turn out well. I liked Josh Allen before the draft and I still think he can be good but besides reps he also needs good coaches and players around him. Patience is going to be hard to come by when they are this level of awful on offense. 

[Boatdrinks]

6 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

 

So Josh Allen 5 games in... 2-2 as a starter.. and he's got you worried? 

 

Yeah, Peterman is bad. That's established... We signed Derek Anderson so Peterman will probably never see the field again.

Absolutely worried. Allen has looked like a competent QB in exactly one game. The defense won the Titans game ( almost did the same yesterday) and Allen’s best plays in both games were as a runner .Peterman shouldn’t have seen the field again after the opener. Not having a viable backup in place 5 weeks later was inexcusable and simply a matter of not wanting egg on their faces making a change immediately after week 1.

[warrior9]

Just now, row_33 said:

Wow, people have differing opinions on a football board

 

and some are too positive and some too negative

 

imagine....

 

 

I'm very indifferent man. There's things I like.. things i dislike about this team... I'm just not overreacting and I'm giving this regime an off-season with cap to get THEIR guys.... then i'll judge.

 

I'm honestly worried about McDermotts ability to select an OC more so than I am build a team.

[BillsfanAZ]

4 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

how does anyone not get the negativity. Once again we have an completely inept offense, and little to show at QB.

 

How does one not be negative, and unfortunately I don't see it getting much better this year and to be honest not sure it would get better next year no matter what we do because we could very well be still looking for a QB. All the help in the world isn't going to make up for what we are seeing from the QB position. Maybe much more patience and hope to god the light bulb comes on for Allen.... As of today the light bulb is barely lit in regards to  reads and decision making

 

I'm not blaming Allen for it all but he has also done so little to bolster the belief he can be a franchise QB in  the NFL.

 

oh well keep suffering through more seasons and one of these decades we will be good again.... 

 

 

What kind of offense did you think the Bills were going to have? They only got less talented since last year and last year the offense was awful. Nobody can say what kind of QB Allen is going to be after a handfull of starts. The Bills made a big mistake in keeping Peterman but most people on here thought he should start after seeing him in training camp and preseason. Would McCarren be any different? Who knows but it is easier to sit here and make guesses that he would be. 

 

How can you say that getting Allen more talent on offense isnt going to help? Aside from Shady, the Bills offense has no players that defenses respect. Watching the KC game last night, their TE's and WR's command a huge amount of respect and spread things out which helps Mahommes. Not to mention the amount of separation they can get. 

[sleeby]

32 minutes ago, Homey D. Clown said:

 

 

I can't say this enough.   People who follow this team are sick of the losing.

 

People around here are sick of the losing.

Try decaf and maybe some paxil.  Putting 20 years of your mental health and frustrations on this kid's shoulders is jerky.  He doesn't deserve it - give him time (and maybe some WRs).  Cripes.  Get a grip, man.  Damned clown.  ?

Edited October 15, 2018 by sleeby

[warrior9]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I think it's okay to question particular moves of this regime. It won't help having all that cap space for free agents and draft picks if they don't use them well. Some posters suggest there isn't likely to be a lot of quality free agents in our positions of need. Idk, but so far I don't see much reason to think McD and Beane can evaluate the offensive side of the ball properly. I'm not sold on any of the offensive coaches, though they may turn out well. I liked Josh Allen before the draft and I still think he can be good but besides reps he also needs good coaches and players around him. Patience is going to be hard to come by when they are this level of awful on offense. 

 

Coaching is what has me worried from an OC/ offensive coaching standpoint (similar to your thoughts) ... i think talent wise, this offseason will tell a lot about their ability to evaluate offensive talent.

[nucci]

15 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

 

So Josh Allen 5 games in... 2-2 as a starter.. and he's got you worried? 

 

Yeah, Peterman is bad. That's established... We signed Derek Anderson so Peterman will probably never see the field again.

That's not what I said...I'm pissed off at losing the game

[vorpma]

30 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

Exactly.... 

 

here's my thought... If you explain this to a person WITHOUT using a team name.. People would love to be in this situation.

 

Seemingly top 3 secondary (with a second year CB that is most likely a future All-Pro)

A 20 year old stud at MLB (and Milano growing into a nice player)

A young DT that has played well above where he was drafted and has been very impressive

A left tackle that is young and improving with every game

A young first round QB (and this regime believes it's their guy)

80+ Million in cap space next year

10(i believe) draft picks

 

 

Best post ever!

[Jauronimo]

8 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

You named 6 players.. We couldn't afford 3 ... one is OK...?

Did you expect us to be good this year?

No, I did not expect us to be good this year. I expected them to suck after watching the roster moves this offseason which is why I and many others are frustrated.   Nothing was done to upgrade OL positions and little was done to replace Cog and Wood.  Nothing was done to improve our skill positions and we started the season with Nathan f@#$ing Peterman as our starting QB. 

[sleeby]

OP - I think it's ego and testosterone based mainly.  The odds that any given rookie QB will become a major franchise QB and see SBs is well under 50% - obviously.  So, going in early and trashing him is the safe bet for future 'told ya so" and generally I'm more NFL knowledged than you.

 

No one can predict anything after 5 games with this offense.  Just a bunch of boys who like pissing matches is all.  Very annoying though.

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

 

27 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

When you look at our team/FO/ etc, etc... They came in with a pile of you know what as a team. They came off of  Rex/ Whaley regime that strapped this team against the cap and left it talentless. They took that team to the play-offs with none of us expecting it (while completely gutting it in 1 year).... while trying to fix the cap issues. 

 

Say what you want about Beane and McDermott but those that refuse to see the cap as an issue of talent acquisition are simply not seeing the big picture..... money = ability to acquire high end talent and/ or system role players. Where did they spend the available money? Defense... and that defense (which is essentially all Beane and McDermott acquired players) is absolutely balling out. 

 

I think this coming off-season and draft are going to define this regime. They absolutely have to address the offense in every aspect. I do believe Daboll has called some absolutely atrocious games this year, yet we are still competing. I sincerely hope that his inability to call an effective NFL game does not hinder the growth of Josh Allen.

 

Think about where we are as a team and the cornerstones we have....

 

Seemingly top 3 secondary (with a second year CB that is most likely a future All-Pro)

A 20 year old stud at MLB (and Milano growing into a nice player)

A young DT that has played well above where he was drafted and has been very impressive

A left tackle that is young and improving with every game

A young first round QB (and this regime believes it's their guy)

80+ Million in cap space next year

10(i believe) draft picks

 

 

We have many many important pieces in place for a promising future..... I think we need to be patient and look for the growth of this team and players throughout the rest of this year. 

 

Just my .02....

Watch the Patriots and Chiefs and come back to this board and say this honestly.

 

The Bills are not even in the league right now. 

 

They are nowhere when it comes to real winning.

 

And you're okay with it because we have a few defensive pieces in an era where defense doesn't win and because the Coach/GM/Quarterback are new so you can hide behind the "it's early" card. 

 

Honestly the thought process this Coach and GM have towards team building is rightfully being put under the microscope.  

[ddaryl]

4 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said:

 

What kind of offense did you think the Bills were going to have? They only got less talented since last year and last year the offense was awful. Nobody can say what kind of QB Allen is going to be after a handfull of starts. The Bills made a big mistake in keeping Peterman but most people on here thought he should start after seeing him in training camp and preseason. Would McCarren be any different? Who knows but it is easier to sit here and make guesses that he would be. 

 

How can you say that getting Allen more talent on offense isnt going to help? Aside from Shady, the Bills offense has no players that defenses respect. Watching the KC game last night, their TE's and WR's command a huge amount of respect and spread things out which helps Mahommes. Not to mention the amount of separation they can get. 

 

 

This is sad. We just drafted a QB and we moved up to get him.. I expect that QB to be capable of putting up 150 yards per game on a bad day.

 

Allen's struggles are his own.  There is still a chance he gets it, but my feeling as of now is he doesn't have what it takes to be a franchise QB. I've seen this all before..

 

 

You dissect all the throws and all the times Allen is scrambling around. Most of the blame belongs to Allen's decision making and ability to make quicker decisions. yes our O is not very talented but with a better QB play we would of won the houston game.

[Bangarang]

22 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

 

So Josh Allen 5 games in... 2-2 as a starter.. and he's got you worried? 

 

Yeah, Peterman is bad. That's established... We signed Derek Anderson so Peterman will probably never see the field again.

 

lol QB records. Tebow has a winning record as a starter. What does that tell us?

[Gugny]

Just now, Bangarang said:

 

lol QB records. Tebow has a winning record as a starter. What does that tell us?

 

Hopefully it tells us that (W-L) is not a QB stat; it's a team stat.

[warrior9]

7 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

 

Watch the Patriots and Chiefs and come back to this board and say this honestly.

 

The Bills are not even in the league right now. 

 

They are nowhere when it comes to real winning.

 

And you're okay with it because we have a few defensive pieces in an era where defense doesn't win and because the Coach/GM/Quarterback are new so you can hide behind the "it's early" card. 

 

Honestly the thought process this Coach and GM have towards team building is rightfully being put under the microscope.  

I watched the game yesterday....

The Broncos and Seahawks have both won SB's (im not saying we're them) in the last 5 years with defense.. so yes, defense does matter.... 

 

go show me more 43-40 games and come back to this board.... that wasn't football... that was a 4th quarter track meet.

Edited October 15, 2018 by warrior9

[Augie]

39 minutes ago, Homey D. Clown said:

 

 

I can't say this enough.   People who follow this team are sick of the losing.

 

People around here are sick of the losing.

 

 

Let me guess......you’re feeling kind of blue? 

[sleeby]

5 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

lol QB records. Tebow has a winning record as a starter. What does that tell us?

That the 2011 denver Broncos.(AFC West champions) were a good team?  

[warrior9]

1 minute ago, sleeby said:

That the 2011 denver Broncos.(AFC West champions) were a good team?  

and that defense matters LOL

[Mark Vader]

33 minutes ago, 87168 said:

useless talent? Woods, Brown, Watkins (yes him too), Hogan, Darby, Gilmore...you can argue "scheme", but I don't buy it.

 

I would take any of the aforementioned WRs over what the Bills currently have. 

 

The highlight of this regime's impact is defense, but as we all saw last night, offense wins games and the Bills have the weakest in the league.

Let's take these players one at a time.

 

Woods. I loved the guy. Was thrilled we drafted him. Wish he was still here. Although a lot of people on this board said he wasn't worth the money he was getting from the Rams. Would you have kept him with that contract he was getting?

 

Brown had his moments but he also tended to disappear, that Steelers game still gives me nightmares. I don't miss him that much.

 

Watkins. I was a big fan of this guy. I didn't care what we gave up when we drafted him. He just did not live up to his potential. I wish we could have kept him, but the money was not going to be justified.

 

Hogan. I do not understand the love that Bills fans have for this guy. Especially when a lot of people on this board were saying how terrible he was. I don't miss him at all.

 

Darby. Tough to say on this guy, because he was here for a short time. Apparently he did not fit the scheme. Would have been nice to keep him, but it just did not work out.

 

Gilmore. Liked when we drafted him, but his attitude and his play during his final year really did it for me. He did not want to be here, and his "effort" showed it. Good riddance.

 

I agree with you in that I would like to have some of these WR's right now, instead of who he have currently, but that's the bad breaks we got. It sucks!

[brianthomas]

On a side note, on that running play where Ivory was poised to break out for a big gain but got tackled because of his long dreads hanging out. As a coach i'd think i'd have to talk to Ivory about tucking those dreads inside his helmet or removing them all together, am i right? I know it was a freak play, but the only reason Ivory has those dreads is bcuz he likes the way they look, aka vanity. So dudes hair style hurt this team on that play. As a coach i'd think u'd have to address it somehow right?

[COTC]

1 minute ago, brianthomas said:

On a side note, on that running play where Ivory was poised to break out for a big gain but got tackled because of his long dreads hanging out. As a coach i'd think i'd have to talk to Ivory about tucking those dreads inside his helmet or removing them all together, am i right? I know it was a freak play, but the only reason Ivory has those dreads is bcuz he likes the way they look, aka vanity. So dudes hair style hurt this team on that play. As a coach i'd think u'd have to address it somehow right?

It’s obvious intelligence isn’t a requirement to be a “process” guy.  

[Bangarang]

9 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

and that defense matters LOL

 

So what you’re saying is that a QB record doesn’t tell us about how good a QB actually is? 

[warrior9]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

 

So what you’re saying is that a QB record doesn’t tell us about how good a QB actually is? 

 

Yes and no.. It's a team game my man. Matt Ryan is 2-4. Tannehil / Oswieler are 4-2.

[CountDorkula]

58 minutes ago, Success said:

I think some get it, and see it.

 

Basically, most of their moves were geared toward this offseason.  The Bills are set up better than anyone to improve their team with the freed up cap space and picks.

Who are you spending this cap space on. Cant just be G, WR. Give me some damn names. I keep hearing oh the Bills have all the cap space. So do teh Colts, Jets, Chiefs, Cowboys, Texans.

 

Overpaying UFA's puts you in cap hell. Which everyone complained about the last regime doing. Blind faith i guess.

What is your draft success rate?. One of those will be on the D-line when Buffalo picks at the top of the draft. 

 

[Homey D. Clown]

16 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

 

Let me guess......you’re feeling kind of blue? 

 

What can I ca, that's my Bills "Blue Pants" font.

 

Ohh no, now I'm obsessing over how much I hate the blue pants.  must find whiskey.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

58 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

3. Hyde, Poyer, are absolutely NOT players selected by Beane or McDermott.

 

[warrior9]

2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

Who are you spending this cap space on. Cant just be G, WR. Give me some damn names. I keep hearing oh the Bills have all the cap space. So do teh Colts, Jets, Chiefs, Cowboys, Texans.

 

Overpaying UFA's puts you in cap hell. Which everyone complained about the last regime doing. Blind faith i guess.

What is your draft success rate?. One of those will be on the D-line when Buffalo picks at the top of the draft. 

 

No, the idea is that you draft well.. Find a few good players with good contracts in free agency that can contribute (Poyer, Hyde, etc) and spend the money to keep your own talent. (Allen, Milano, Tre, Dawkins, Edmunds, etc) 

[Rc2catch]

I have said on here a few times people were looking at this season all wrong. 

These guys knew the team had major holes, but they ignored it on purpose. 

Because this is a development season plain and simple. They built their defensive side of the ball, it is looking to be an elite unit. 

They ignored the offense purposely to give the young inexperienced guys a shot to develop. By the end of the season some of these kids will step up or step out. 

Holes we see now may not be holes next year if some of these guys catch on. 

They look to have missed on some of the young guys like ray ray  and peterman but still, the plan was to try and develop these guys this year, next year you walk into a mountain of salary cap space and lots of draft picks to build an offense with. 

Carolina was built similar to this, amazing defense and a low talent offensive line and receiving group. 

My nephew is a huge panther fan so I’ve followed them closely for years, they always had an aging secondary of washed up guys, terrible receivers and no name offensive lineman. They are very good at drafting and developing lineman but they have been pretty bad developing and drafting receivers. 

This team is built very similar minus Beane walked into a decently built secondary already. 

We can all complain about the former bills talent playing all over the nfl we see them making plays all over. I miss some of those guys personally. Specifically Robert Woods, Nigel Bradham and Zac Brown. But it is what it is. 

We can all gush and cry over Mahomes and Watson on their good weeks and how we could of had them, whine over Smith-Schuster etc etc but those guys would probably not be having any of that success here given our situation the last few years. 

I say all the time you never know Zay could be lights out in Pittsburgh or the Rams given their high octane offenses and ridiculous amounts of weapons those teams have. 

I’m sure Zay could be making big plays if he had the coaching LA has, along with Cooks, Woods, and Gurley being the focal points of the offense. Coordinators are not thinking damn we better gameplan bigtime for Kupp this week. They are focused on stopping Gurley and the run game, and how the heck do you cover Cooks and Woods. 

These other players so many on this board want to fire people for not drafting and flipping out how good they look forget these are offensive juggernauts with a crazy amount of weapons and very intelligent offensive coaches. Tomlin isn’t an offensive guy but Pittsburgh always has good coordinators coaching these guys up, and they seem to ALWAYS hit on mid round receiver draft picks. 

Long story short this team is being built in the vision these guys have. Not the fans. 

Take a step back, try to look long term not game to game. What they have shown us with mid to low level talent should be enough to show you they can win long term with high level and elite talent. The trick is if they are building a “dynasty” kinda team Allen better be the guy and not get completely shell shocked this year. 

They basically have the players they want now, just need to keep adding higher level talent to it

[dpberr]

I think it stems from frustration - three of four losses were winnable games against "ok" teams.  In two of the loses, parts of the team didn't show up at all. 

 

The Chargers are the only team so far that I don't think the Bills would beat even half the time in 10 chances.  They look put together.  

[Bangarang]

10 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

 

Yes and no.. It's a team game my man. Matt Ryan is 2-4. Tannehil / Oswieler are 4-2.

 

So why bring up Allen’s record as if it tells us anything or somehow proves we shouldn’t be worried about him?

[LABILLBACKER]

There's a very fine line between negativity and realism. Yesterday I saw our defense bust their butts and basically shut out Houston. We all realize we weren't going to the playoffs this year, maybe not even winning 7-8 games. There were borderline moronic moves done or not done last spring.  Players unexpectedly left. We may have chosen the wrong qb? Probably too early to tell. But keeping Peterman on this roster over signing a more capable veteran like Bridgewater, Fitz or McCown was pure stupidity. Anderson is too little,  too late. And OP please stop with the "patience". I've been patient for 50 years.

[CodeMonkey]

1 hour ago, warrior9 said:

 

The Bills were not ienpt last year.

Again, they had a lot of issues with the cap and there is only so much they can do man.

The big problem is hearing that year in and year out for 20 years gets old, ya know.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said:

The big problem is hearing that year in and year out for 20 years gets old, ya know.

 

That's not a Beane and McDermott problem, though.

 

That's a frustrated fan problem.

 

[vorpma]

11 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I have said on here a few times people were looking at this season all wrong. 

These guys knew the team had major holes, but they ignored it on purpose. 

Because this is a development season plain and simple. They built their defensive side of the ball, it is looking to be an elite unit. 

They ignored the offense purposely to give the young inexperienced guys a shot to develop. By the end of the season some of these kids will step up or step out. 

Holes we see now may not be holes next year if some of these guys catch on. 

They look to have missed on some of the young guys like ray ray  and peterman but still, the plan was to try and develop these guys this year, next year you walk into a mountain of salary cap space and lots of draft picks to build an offense with. 

Carolina was built similar to this, amazing defense and a low talent offensive line and receiving group. 

My nephew is a huge panther fan so I’ve followed them closely for years, they always had an aging secondary of washed up guys, terrible receivers and no name offensive lineman. They are very good at drafting and developing lineman but they have been pretty bad developing and drafting receivers. 

This team is built very similar minus Beane walked into a decently built secondary already. 

We can all complain about the former bills talent playing all over the nfl we see them making plays all over. I miss some of those guys personally. Specifically Robert Woods, Nigel Bradham and Zac Brown. But it is what it is. 

We can all gush and cry over Mahomes and Watson on their good weeks and how we could of had them, whine over Smith-Schuster etc etc but those guys would probably not be having any of that success here given our situation the last few years. 

I say all the time you never know Zay could be lights out in Pittsburgh or the Rams given their high octane offenses and ridiculous amounts of weapons those teams have. 

I’m sure Zay could be making big plays if he had the coaching LA has, along with Cooks, Woods, and Gurley being the focal points of the offense. Coordinators are not thinking damn we better gameplan bigtime for Kupp this week. They are focused on stopping Gurley and the run game, and how the heck do you cover Cooks and Woods. 

These other players so many on this board want to fire people for not drafting and flipping out how good they look forget these are offensive juggernauts with a crazy amount of weapons and very intelligent offensive coaches. Tomlin isn’t an offensive guy but Pittsburgh always has good coordinators coaching these guys up, and they seem to ALWAYS hit on mid round receiver draft picks. 

Long story short this team is being built in the vision these guys have. Not the fans. 

Take a step back, try to look long term not game to game. What they have shown us with mid to low level talent should be enough to show you they can win long term with high level and elite talent. The trick is if they are building a “dynasty” kinda team Allen better be the guy and not get completely shell shocked this year. 

They basically have the players they want now, just need to keep adding higher level talent to it

Great post but your not bitter, angry, emotional, cussing, screaming to fire everybody from the Pegula's to the city of Buffalo, or calling for the public hanging of Nate Peterman; not sure it will get taken seriously!

6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

There's a very fine line between negativity and realism. Yesterday I saw our defense bust their butts and basically shut out Houston. We all realize we weren't going to the playoffs this year, maybe not even winning 7-8 games. There were borderline moronic moves done or not done last spring.  Players unexpectedly left. We may have chosen the wrong qb? Probably too early to tell. But keeping Peterman on this roster over signing a more capable veteran like Bridgewater, Fitz or McCown was pure stupidity. Anderson is too little,  too late. And OP please stop with the "patience". I've been patient for 50 years.

Then take up soccer!