KOKO NFL Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 As per Sporting News, are the Bills in fact rudderless, making contradictory moves seemingly without a plan? Does Beane really know what he's doing? (With due respect, the Pegulas have demonstrated they do not). Thoughts? http://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nfl/news/vontae-davis-retirement-halftime-buffalo-bills-week-2/15xlnsikkoz74zn3gztcnn25p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 They're looking at the situation from the outside, like the rest of us, and may actually know less than some on this board. I say this because there was no one from OBD, or players on the team, quoted in the article. It appears to be an opinion piece; they are saying nothing different than the rest of the national media. Vontae Davis knew he was signing with a team that was going to have a rough time of it, especially early in the season. His fault for not signing elsewhere, or retiring after last season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Process 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 A year or two down the road it might be proven that Beane is the smartest guy in the room for what he’s doing now with this roster. At the moment, however, he is looking the polar opposite of that. I’m certainly willing to give this staff the benefit of the doubt that they will start righting the ship this upcoming offseason. If not, they don’t see the spring of 2020. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Not a fan of the regime and have little faith at this point, BUT as mentioned above, let’s see whatever the plan is through at least next season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 So what's the pass mark next year that guarantees them the 2020 season? Back to 8-8? In that case they are going to need to hit on some draft picks and free agents March- April 2019... Got nothing against McBeane... just saying that its not going to be easy turning this around.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I've only been saying this for months. It's so apparent Beane doesn't have a big picture plan for the Bills. They're so going in two directions which they can't easily change because they'd have to be worse in 2019 to fix it. 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: So what's the pass mark next year that guarantees them the 2020 season? Back to 8-8? In that case they are going to need to hit on some draft picks and free agents March- April 2019... Got nothing against McBeane... just saying that its not going to be easy turning this around.. Just think about it. If the get young in 2019 that means Clay, Shady, Hughes, Benjamin, Kyle and Zo will be gone. That's your vet leadership. So they'll need 3 Oline and 2 or 3 Dline, receivers, a true number 1 TE and probably 2 LBers and a boundary CB. It's too much to solve in one offseason. Also they'll have to over spend to get players to come here again ballooning the cap. They aren't making decisions and that's my problem with Beane. That and he looks like a Donahoe school drafter. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: I've only been saying this for months. It's so apparent Beane doesn't have a big picture plan for the Bills. They're so going in two directions which they can't easily change because they'd have to be worse in 2019 to fix it. I'm sure Beane doesn't have any big-picture plan at all. Probably gets up each day and consults tarot cards for what player he should acquire or get rid of and whether or not to follow through on it. You might not agree with what he is doing; however, something tells me he does have a big-picture plan. Whether or not it works is something we will not know for awhile - and, no, IMO, it doesn't have to get worse in 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Step 1: Get the team out of our salary cap mess. Check. Step 2: Acquire your franchise QB. Check, but TBD. Drafting a QB in the top 10 is a step in the right direction. Step 3: Through the draft and FA, fortify the “trenches” and bolster the skill position players. This will happen in 2019. Seems like the rebuild is happening as scheduled. I think making the playoffs last year surprised even Beane and McD, and I think the fan base got a false sense that we would be ready to compete this year. I believe in what Beane and McDermott are doing. 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Just think about it. If the get young in 2019 that means Clay, Shady, Hughes, Benjamin, Kyle and Zo will be gone. That's your vet leadership. So they'll need 3 Oline and 2 or 3 Dline, receivers, a true number 1 TE and probably 2 LBers and a boundary CB. It's too much to solve in one offseason. Also they'll have to over spend to get players to come here again ballooning the cap. They aren't making decisions and that's my problem with Beane. That and he looks like a Donahoe school drafter. Agree with 3 O Line - say 2 FA and one in the draft.... 1 WR in FA and 1 in the Draft TE, DE, and CB probably in draft... LB in FA Lots of holes... Just because they have the money to spend in FA doesn't necessarily mean they will be able to fill the gaps with quality.... They might keep Shady next year if they lose those others which is probable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I'm sure Beane doesn't have any big-picture plan at all. Probably gets up each day and consults tarot cards for what player he should acquire or get rid of and whether or not to follow through on it. You might not agree with what he is doing; however, something tells me he does have a big-picture plan. Whether or not it works is something we will not know for awhile - and, no, IMO, it doesn't have to get worse in 2019. I don't think he looks at tarot cards. I think he's on the job training. I also think he drafts talented athletes and not football players. Both of those things equals players who will be good after they leave Buffalo. Edited September 18, 2018 by CuddyDark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: I've only been saying this for months. It's so apparent Beane doesn't have a big picture plan for the Bills. They're so going in two directions which they can't easily change because they'd have to be worse in 2019 to fix it. Just think about it. If the get young in 2019 that means Clay, Shady, Hughes, Benjamin, Kyle and Zo will be gone. That's your vet leadership. So they'll need 3 Oline and 2 or 3 Dline, receivers, a true number 1 TE and probably 2 LBers and a boundary CB. It's too much to solve in one offseason. Also they'll have to over spend to get players to come here again ballooning the cap. They aren't making decisions and that's my problem with Beane. That and he looks like a Donahoe school drafter. No ****. If all goes well it'll take 2 or 3 before they could potentially compete for a championship. How long as Jax been trying to build around Bortles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, CuddyDark said: I don't think he looks at tarot cards. I think he's on the job training. I also think he draft talented athletes and not football players. Both of those things equals players who will be good after they leave Buffalo. He certainly is learning on the job, as anyone else in their first year on the job. It doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't know what he is doing. He has had one draft. It is impossible to know, two games into their rookie seasons, if the individuals he drafted are "football players" or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Im ready for some RayRay. Bills can still turn this around. The start of this season was always going to be brutal. The second half gets a little easier. I dont think we are as bad as we have looked through 2. Plus we had a string of 3 really terrible games last year but then we righted the ship. Long season boys, its to early to throw in the towel! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 One game behind the Patriots is not bad. So, what team at 0-2 is better? All 0-2. Record speaks for itself. 16 - 2 baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Well viking ships didn't have rudders but as long as they all rowed to the beat of of the drum they still got to their destination and proceeded to rape and pillage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Not rudderless, just no horsepower... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 29 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Step 1: Get the team out of our salary cap mess. Check. Step 2: Acquire your franchise QB. Check, but TBD. Drafting a QB in the top 10 is a step in the right direction. Step 3: Through the draft and FA, fortify the “trenches” and bolster the skill position players. This will happen in 2019. Seems like the rebuild is happening as scheduled. I think making the playoffs last year surprised even Beane and McD, and I think the fan base got a false sense that we would be ready to compete this year. I believe in what Beane and McDermott are doing. i think what a lot are missing is that beane is building in tiers so that salary cap hell doesn't rain down upon us. now in order to keep guys after the rookie gig, ya gotta have the money. he's doing it so that each year we have only so much to worry about. some decisions have certainly sent up red flags, but i'm gonna roll with the above. also, bring back levi wallace. within 3-4 weeks, we will have another cover corner opposite tre'd. jmgmo 15 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said: Im ready for some RayRay. Bills can still turn this around. The start of this season was always going to be brutal. The second half gets a little easier. I dont think we are as bad as we have looked through 2. Plus we had a string of 3 really terrible games last year but then we righted the ship. Long season boys, its to early to throw in the towel! this reminds me of not too long ago, the running game sucked at the start but got turned around. hopefully josh will loosen things up a bit so dabol can do his quick hit magic. then we go on a 2nd half winning streak. we can still do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronyAbounds Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Not rudderless, just no horsepower... The Titanic's rudder was just fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, IronyAbounds said: The Titanic's rudder was just fine. Two games and we're the Titanic, okay, if you say so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overdue Bill Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, KOKO NFL said: As per Sporting News, are the Bills in fact rudderless, making contradictory moves seemingly without a plan? Does Beane really know what he's doing? (With due respect, the Pegulas have demonstrated they do not). Thoughts? http://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nfl/news/vontae-davis-retirement-halftime-buffalo-bills-week-2/15xlnsikkoz74zn3gztcnn25p I think it is a little pre-mature to throw in the towel. Both McDermott and Beane were handed a mess from the previous regime(s). Major personnel changes take several years...we knew that this would be a process the moment that they let Tyrod Taylor go without replacing him with an experienced veteran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, CuddyDark said: I've only been saying this for months. It's so apparent Beane doesn't have a big picture plan for the Bills. They're so going in two directions which they can't easily change because they'd have to be worse in 2019 to fix it. Just think about it. If the get young in 2019 that means Clay, Shady, Hughes, Benjamin, Kyle and Zo will be gone. That's your vet leadership. So they'll need 3 Oline and 2 or 3 Dline, receivers, a true number 1 TE and probably 2 LBers and a boundary CB. It's too much to solve in one offseason. Also they'll have to over spend to get players to come here again ballooning the cap. They aren't making decisions and that's my problem with Beane. That and he looks like a Donahoe school drafter. Losing Clay and Benjamin isnt a huge deal. Shady, he is still a great back but on the wrong side of 30. RB’s are a dime a dozen. The 2 leaders we are truly losing is Williams and Zo- next man up thou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) If this team continues to demonstrate a lack of effort, you may see a change in leadership sooner than people think. I noticed it in the 3rd preseason game. I noticed it for the majority of the first two regular season games. That's a sign a coach has lost the team. There's plenty of time to improve, but I think Pegula could easily pull the plug if there isn't improvement THIS year. You can live with the piss poor results if you believe a successful plan is in place. You cannot live with a loss of control. Edited September 18, 2018 by LSHMEAB 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, KD in CA said: No ****. If all goes well it'll take 2 or 3 before they could potentially compete for a championship. How long as Jax been trying to build around Bortles? The regime that drafted Bortles is not there now when the Jags are good... This is the question.. Will McD and Beane still be here when the team gets turned around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff1954 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Gee. And just three meaningful games ago, we had made the playoffs and MCD was an excellent coach with some growing through experience still to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, KD in CA said: No ****. If all goes well it'll take 2 or 3 before they could potentially compete for a championship. How long as Jax been trying to build around Bortles? It won't be 2 or 3 years from now, it will be 2 or 3 years from 2019. This year is wasted without clear direction. They're not young and they're not talented. It's a lost year where they could have gotten young. They made bad signings this offseason and those players are just wasted cap space. Star is a wasted signing. Murphy is a wasted signing. When they're good enough to win both will be gone. Why sign them is you're building for long term success? Because they weren't building for long term. They thought they'd win this year. With this roster. Trading for KB is a waste of a roster spot. They could have used that money on a young linemen. They're building two teams at once and it never works that way. Rudderless, is the correct term. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Losing Clay and Benjamin isnt a huge deal. Shady, he is still a great back but on the wrong side of 30. RB’s are a dime a dozen. The 2 leaders we are truly losing is Williams and Zo- next man up thou. Couldn't agree with this more. McCoy has had a great career but the Bills have entirely too much money tied up in this position. By my rough count McCoy has four 100 yard rushing performances in his last 20 regular season and playoff games. This O-line hasn't helped him at all but you definitely need more production if you're gonna lay out that kind of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 We're on a raft. Don't need a rudder. It's called a process. The national media and football world and half of TBD are to dumb to know that this soggy raft can.. maybe help us fish if we tether to the dock. But don't bring too much beer or ppl. Too much weight will sink it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, CuddyDark said: I've only been saying this for months. It's so apparent Beane doesn't have a big picture plan for the Bills. They're so going in two directions which they can't easily change because they'd have to be worse in 2019 to fix it. Just think about it. If the get young in 2019 that means Clay, Shady, Hughes, Benjamin, Kyle and Zo will be gone. That's your vet leadership. So they'll need 3 Oline and 2 or 3 Dline, receivers, a true number 1 TE and probably 2 LBers and a boundary CB. It's too much to solve in one offseason. Also they'll have to over spend to get players to come here again ballooning the cap. They aren't making decisions and that's my problem with Beane. That and he looks like a Donahoe school drafter. Great call on the Donahoe esque draft picks. Both Beane and Donahoe appear to value "character" over talent. There's only anecdotal evidence, but it sure as hell seems to be the case. I remember our fearsome defensive lines of Tiny Tim Anderson, Ryan Denney, & Chris Kelsay and fear this regime is headed down the same path of self destruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Step 1: Get the team out of our salary cap mess. Check. Step 2: Acquire your franchise QB. Check, but TBD. Drafting a QB in the top 10 is a step in the right direction. Step 3: Through the draft and FA, fortify the “trenches” and bolster the skill position players. This will happen in 2019. Seems like the rebuild is happening as scheduled. I think making the playoffs last year surprised even Beane and McD, and I think the fan base got a false sense that we would be ready to compete this year. I believe in what Beane and McDermott are doing. I keep seeing this, but can you point to one solid FA next year for either line? A lot of the slim pickings are already getting resigned. You might be able to grab a couple guys on their way out for a year, but that's a stretch. The trenches will have to be fortified through the draft unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 33 minutes ago, Epstein's Mother said: Couldn't agree with this more. McCoy has had a great career but the Bills have entirely too much money tied up in this position. By my rough count McCoy has four 100 yard rushing performances in his last 20 regular season and playoff games. This O-line hasn't helped him at all but you definitely need more production if you're gonna lay out that kind of money. I believe this is his last year of his deal? Maybe 1 more. Regardless, your right- we need more out of our backs and receivers. That isnt going to happen this year, unfortunately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 If Josh Allen progresses and proves to be a franchise QB all of this noise will become vanishing smoke. If Allen crashes and burns so will the Bills leadership. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 35 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: We're on a raft. Don't need a rudder. It's called a process. The national media and football world and half of TBD are to dumb to know that this soggy raft can.. maybe help us fish if we tether to the dock. But don't bring too much beer or ppl. Too much weight will sink it Can I bring 'Wilson' the volleyball? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 People are criticizing their drafting? White: lock down CB set for a while Dawkins: LT set for a while Jones: starting to come around, should give us a #2 or slot WR for a while Phillips: Anchors the D line as the young Kyle Edmunds: Incredible athlete, gives McD his MLB (and yes, Rivers schooled him and 20 year olds learn) Allen: potential long term answer at QB; how many folks howled for the Bills to finally go all in and get a QB? Johnson: slot CB Teller: depth at G and hopefully matures into a starter Ray Ray: Slot WR Thry may have not gotten the best FAs this year. That you can criticize. But drafting? They have a plan. They have 10 picks and a ton of cash. They want football players; by going after non flashy FAs (maybe one or two major ines) and with the next draft they can get things going quickly. They wanted to compete short and long term. Last year the plan worked exactly as hoped for. This year may not, at least the short term part. Their success or failure will come from how good they are at picking the right guys, like every other team in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Jones: starting to come around, should give us a #2 or slot WR for a while Not counting white and don't like Jones. Otherwise I'm just seeing a list of rookies we drafted lol really informative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Not counting white and don't like Jones. Otherwise I'm just seeing a list of rookies we drafted lol really informative Nice cherry picking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 2 hours ago, KOKO NFL said: As per Sporting News, are the Bills in fact rudderless, making contradictory moves seemingly without a plan? Does Beane really know what he's doing? (With due respect, the Pegulas have demonstrated they do not). Thoughts? http://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nfl/news/vontae-davis-retirement-halftime-buffalo-bills-week-2/15xlnsikkoz74zn3gztcnn25p God forbid that anyone should criticize the sacred cows otherwise known as McBeane. Hey, we are just two games out of first place. What are these guys complaining about?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 2 hours ago, The Wiz said: Well viking ships didn't have rudders but as long as they all rowed to the beat of of the drum they still got to their destination and proceeded to rape and pillage. Untrue, actually. Viking ships didn't have rudders at the stern, but they had a steering oar affixed to the right or starboard side of the ship" "In the Viking Age, the rudder on ships and boats sat on the starboard side (the name deriving from styrbord, the Norse term the boards (planks) in the side where you steer the boat, hence, steering-board). This gave rise to some challenges, one of which was the shape of the rudder; the other was the manner in which the rudder could be attached to the ship." (apparently, hemp rope won't work; withies are required) Never say TBD isn't educational 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 15 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Nice cherry picking. And how are you not being a homer? Pick any other team and see how easy it is to find players drafted last two years that can be described as "slot cb, slot wr, depth G" I'll even give you White, but Zay freaking Jones?! come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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