Big Turk Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, eanyills said: So Frazier is essentially a lame duck for the rest of the season? This team is a train wreck right now but at least Allen looks much better than I expected. He didn't look that good. Missed easy reads, took a bunch of sacks, made 2 bad throws for INTs...ball placement was really bad for the most part. But...much better than Peterson which is not saying much of anything. He's got a lot of work to do. Edited September 16, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: Not necessarily, if McD feels like he comes up with good game plans and prepare the team well he will be a part of this team. There is more to D-Coordinators than the play calling. That being said I would rather McD keep calling the plays, defense looked much better in the second half. Isn't that the same kind of defense Carolina and McD ran? Seems like Frasier was hired to implement McD's system. They are both zones but Tampax relies on 2 deep safties and players just making plays, kinda like Wandstooge did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phils n Bills Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Seems seems like the players were playing much harder too. Like they were losing confidence in Frazier’s play calling and the switch was what they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 If we only had an NFL calibre OC this could be an NFL team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 38 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Said they needed a “spark” and that’s his background They need Frazier to pull a Vontae. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: They are both zones but Tampax relies on 2 deep safties and players just making plays, kinda like Wandstooge did. Genuine question how does McD's defense differ? Weren't we running a Tampa 2 system last year? Is McD's more aggressive? If McD's calling the plays then aren't those plays from our existing defensive playbook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 He should try offense too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill1 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 That's what happened. It was night and day. Defense actually looked good in the 2nd. Ok, so no Peterman, Davis, and Frazier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 When I saw Hughes dropping in coverage on a 3-12 in the first half I knew something was wrong. A competent Cord doesn’t have your only legit pass rusher dropping in coverage on obvious passing situations. Disappointed in Leslie. McDermott gave a job to someone who helped him on his way up. Leslie need to retire if the game has passed him by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericcomposer72 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Is it actually tenable to have him call plays the rest of the season? 'cause that would be worth watching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 McD assembled the staff. Should be terminated at the end of the year in favor of a Matt Nagy type. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: Genuine question how does McD's defense differ? Weren't we running a Tampa 2 system last year? Is McD's more aggressive? If McD's calling the plays then aren't those plays from our existing defensive playbook? Yes but for example McD was putting Alexander at DT on passing downs instead of keeping him at LB, basically a NASCAR package. The coverage was tighter too so the zones must have been tightened up. It just really comes down to using your personnel properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Not necessarily, if McD feels like he comes up with good game plans and prepare the team well he will be a part of this team. There is more to D-Coordinators than the play calling. That being said I would rather McD keep calling the plays, defense looked much better in the second half. Isn't that the same kind of defense Carolina and McD ran? Seems like Frasier was hired to implement McD's system. So Frazier and McDermott are both Jim Johnson guys. Frazier as he moved on in his career with influence from Dungy morphed into more of a Tampa 2 guy and that was what he ran in his other stops as a DC. Last year they managed to morph a bit of Tampa 2 into McDermott's cover 3 scheme and had decent success with it at times. But the first game and a half they have been far too passive even on early downs. Was much more like last season in the 2nd half today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Yes but for example McD was putting Alexander at DT on passing downs instead of keeping him at LB, basically a NASCAR package. The coverage was tighter too so the zones must have been tightened up. It just really comes down to using your personnel properly. It seemed more aggressive and the coverage seemed tighter. I liked it as it looked a lot better. Hopefully McD will be more influential in the defense going forward. I think Tampa 2 only works when you have insane defensive talent which makes almost any system work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) So in the first two weeks McD's had to bench his hand picked QB and his DC. Hate to say it but he's looking more and more like a DC as appose to a HC. Can't blame all these bad hirings / decisions on the fact we're rebuilding. Edited September 16, 2018 by VW82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 At least McDermott found his calling....as a DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Not good when your boss has to do your job. Then again, giving up 75 points in 6 quarters leads to that happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamboBill Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 35 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: They are both zones but Tampax relies on 2 deep safties and players just making plays, kinda like Wandstooge did. Frazier is a good football mind but he still relies on the overly conservative approach from his days as a Tampa 2 guru. It makes sense in some ways as the Bills are most talented at the safety position. Unfortunately he became too predictable and you REALLY need a strong front 4 pass rush for the Tampa 2 to be effective. While the Bills do not run a Tampa 2 they retain a lot of it's characteristics and conservative nature. MacD's Cover 3 approach drops CBs back into zone but not as deep allowing better run support and more Pass rush support from LBs and Safeties. This team needed a spark in terms of getting to the QB and the play calling changes seem to have worked. Time will tell if this was success based on surprising the Chargers with unanticipated looks or whether it can become more permanent. I do like the idea of Lorenzo as a pass rushing DE --- sure he is undersized for that position -- but he makes up for that with balls to the wall effort. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 This coach is not a good enough game day coach, to just let coordinators be. He is terrible at clock management, makes ridiculous personnel decisions and challenges plays that are not smart. McDermott only has value to us, if he can get this defense fixed. Fire Fraiser tomorrow and be the DC/HC. Otherwise I really don’t even want this guy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 hour ago, psuscott16 said: Looked to me like Alexander was playing DE in the 2nd half and causing all kinds of chaos. If this has been stated I apologize. First thread I clicked on after the game. They kicked him inside as well. Noticed on one play, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Good call here. I personally did not notice mid-game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronyAbounds Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 50 minutes ago, Jasovon said: If we only had an NFL calibre OC this could be an NFL team. I think you mean an NFL caliber OL. No OC can design plays that work on a regular basis when you don't have a single offensive lineman who would start on another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: He should try offense too. Aside from a poor run call on 3rd down (which the fans in attendance voiced their displeasure), I thought Daboll called a pretty good game. There were several plays left on the field by the rookie QB today (and last week by both QBs). Edited September 16, 2018 by Drunken Pygmy Goat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: Aside from a poor run call on 3rd down (which the fans in attendance voiced their displeasure), I thought Daboll called a pretty good game. There were several plays left on the field by the rookie QB today (and last week by both QBs). It is so vanilla. Seriously watch these other creative minds out there and you will see there needs to be more in the offensive game plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Eh to throw your DC under the bus..... Really impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 55 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Yes but for example McD was putting Alexander at DT on passing downs instead of keeping him at LB, basically a NASCAR package. The coverage was tighter too so the zones must have been tightened up. It just really comes down to using your personnel properly. Zo was a monster on the line today 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, Billsfan1972 said: Eh to throw your DC under the bus..... Really impressive. So he should have avoided the question? What better option was there? You want him to say "no" while those in attendance saw otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Eh to throw your DC under the bus..... Really impressive. So he should have let them come continue to suck? He did the right thing. 7 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: It is so vanilla. Seriously watch these other creative minds out there and you will see there needs to be more in the offensive game plan Seriously, it was a Rookie QB's first NFL game. Edited September 16, 2018 by Green Lightning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Eh to throw your DC under the bus..... Really impressive. Your comment honestly makes no sense. He answered it the only way he could. He absolutely did not throw him under the bus, actually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Can he play og center wr qb can and de? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: It is so vanilla. Seriously watch these other creative minds out there and you will see there needs to be more in the offensive game plan Maybe so, but there is a significant lack of talent on that side of the ball. Not looking for excuses, but I'd have a hard time believing that doesn't factor in. Also, the Bills are playing a rookie QB that has serious potential but also has some work to do. The game needs to slow down for him, and he's guilty of making inexperienced-QB miscues in different ways. Not surprising in the least, but that too has to affect an OC's ability to really open things up. The offense looks nothing like a finely-tuned machine, but I don't think it's a direct reflection of the OC. Edited September 16, 2018 by Drunken Pygmy Goat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: Maybe so, but there is a significant lack of talent on that side of the ball. Not looking for excuses, but I'd have a hard time believing that doesn't factor in. Also, the Bills are playing a rookie QB that has serious potential but also has some work to do. The game needs to slow down for him, and he's guilty of making inexperienced-QB miscues in different ways. Not surprising in the least, but that too has to affect an OC's ability to really open things up. The offense looks nothing like a finely-tuned machine, but I don't think it's a direct reflection of the OC. You don't need extreme talent to be creative. You can get creative without involving QB as the center piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Need to stay, the defense looked so much better in the 2nd half, it was night and day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 49 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: You don't need extreme talent to be creative. You can get creative without involving QB as the center piece. I think he was trying to ease up on the complexity until Allen can find his groove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 We want McD calling plays on defense if only to take him away from thinking too much on the offense. He's a conservative guy. He needs to let Josh be Josh and wing it all over, risk some turnovers but score some points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 I'm sorry, but Frazier proved he was a lousy coach years ago. Never did understand why he was brought to Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 McDermott took over play calling duties for the D in the second half. What does this mean for Leslie Frazier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Are you serious? How do you know? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Are you serious? How do you know? From this story: In other defensive developments, McDermott took over playcalling duties from defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier in the second half of Sunday's game. "I just felt like we needed a spark," McDermott said. "That's my background. Coach Frazier does a really good job, as well as the defensive staff. I just felt like we needed a spark." McDermott said he would evaluate the playcalling situation and "a lot of other things" after the loss.http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24703207/buffalo-bills-cb-vontae-davis-abruptly-retires-football-half-vs-los-angeles-chargers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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