How Safe Are Coach McDermott and GM Beane?

[Beast]

They are as safe as any GM/HC combo have ever been coming off a playoff year.

 

What a stupid !@#$ing question.

 

 

[Helpmenow]

Fired after year three

[Big Gun]

Have to wonder how safe they are after today.

 

That said it would take a new coach and GM 5 years to assemble enough talent to be competitive. 

 

Right now this team is soooooo devoid of talent and soooooo pathetic TPegs needs to question these 2 WTF they are doing, because right now the plan or "process"  isn't working.

[Watkins90]

1 minute ago, pop gun said:

Have to wonder how safe they are after today.

 

That said it would take a new coach and GM 5 years to assemble enough talent to be competitive. 

 

Right now this team is soooooo devoid of talent and soooooo pathetic TPegs needs to question these 2 WTF they are doing, because right now the plan or "process"  isn't working.

Actually it's working just like they intended. It all hinges on Allen being a franchise QB.

[Big Gun]

3 minutes ago, Watkins90 said:

Actually it's working just like they intended. It all hinges on Allen being a franchise QB.

It is, really?

 

What is the plan then if you think it is?

 

Because there is such a lack of talent on this team, self created I might add and it will take years to become competitive.

 

Then guys quitting, coaches being relieved in game, it's a **** show and TPegs didn't get billions by being a stupid person.

[Tcali]

2 minutes ago, pop gun said:

It is, really?

 

What is the plan then if you think it is?

 

Because there is such a lack of talent on this team, self created I might add and it will take years to become competitive.

 

Then guys quitting, coaches being relieved in game, it's a **** show and TPegs didn't get billions by being a stupid person.

i agreed with u till the pegula part---the guy is a phenomenal businessman...and the worst sports owner exc for possibly little danny in washington

[mannc]

21 minutes ago, Watkins90 said:

Actually it's working just like they intended. It all hinges on Allen being a franchise QB.

This better not be what they intended.  Nowadays, NFL teams do not need to bottom out to rebuild.  The team had some decent pieces in place but those have mostly been jettisoned in favor of former Panthers and other assorted trash.  At some point, one has to question if they know what they are doing. So far, there’s not much evidence that they do.

[billsfan714]

Beane really worries me.   I dont think he has a clue.  His FA signings have been terrible.   He's trades up too much.    We;re

going to try and develop a rookie QB with a terrible OL, and a bunch of scrub receivers, how is that a plan for success?   The draft picks next year, big deal a extra what 4th, 5th and 7th---think you are getting a bunch of starters from that haul?    

 

Here's your needs coming up next year and beyond.

4 new OL

At least 3 WRs, including a true no. 1

A CB to start opposite Tre, a solid 3rd corner

A capable backup QB

KW will retire

Shady isnt getting younger and is on the wrong side of 30

Lorax replacement

Anybody have any faith in Trent Murphy and Lawson?

Clay is in final years, there's not much behind him

 

Losing and losing badly as in having the worst record in the league makes it harder to sign FAs, unless you want to way overpay and then that hurts the cap down the road.

 

I think Beane may go down as one of the worst GMs in team history in a few years.

 

 

Edited September 17, 2018 by billsfan714

[Coach Tuesday]

The owners have to be asking real questions now and it’s only going to intensify as the media sharks circle and the team loses more games.  Multiple players quitting on the field (Davis, Benjamin), QB benchings, coaches’ responsibilities being shifted, millions in cap dollars pissed away and it’s only week 2...

[Buffalo Barbarian]

They are safe, after next offseason when we get all the talent they will get two years, THEN if that doesn't work they will likely be gone .

 

 

 

[Watkins90]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

This better not be what they intended.  Nowadays, NFL teams do not need to bottom out to rebuild.  The team had some decent pieces in place but those have mostly been jettisoned in favor of former Panthers and other assorted trash.  At some point, one has to question if they know what they are doing. So far, there’s not much evidence that they do.

Watkins wasn't going to resign. Marcelle contract was horrible for the production he was providing. 

Glenn can't stay healthy and Darby wasn't a scheme fit.

 

Please tell me how those were bad moves?

 

You guys are living too much in the present. They have made moves to secure a good future. Is all going to hinge on drafting.

[Jpsredemption]

They are rebuilding aka they have no clue how to build a roster.

1 hour ago, mannc said:

This better not be what they intended.  Nowadays, NFL teams do not need to bottom out to rebuild.  The team had some decent pieces in place but those have mostly been jettisoned in favor of former Panthers and other assorted trash.  At some point, one has to question if they know what they are doing. So far, there’s not much evidence that they do.

Absolutely right. They don't need to bottom out. It's a blind fans excuse for the piss poor job they've done constructing the roster.

[Batman1876]

1 minute ago, Jpsredemption said:

They are rebuilding aka they have no clue how to build a roster.

I don’t get these responses. How would you have built the roster different?  Yes the roster is bad but it tells you nothing about building a roster. It only tells you they felt they needed to reset the roster. 

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

They are safe, after next offseason when we get all the talent they will get two years, THEN if that doesn't work they will likely be gone .

 

 

 

If this season doesn’t turn around in a big way, their continuing employment will be seriously re-evaluated after year 3. 

[Misterbluesky]

I wonder how much washed up talent the beane counter will bring in next year with 80 mill in his pants pocket? Prior injuries are a must ,of course.

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, Batman1876 said:

I don’t get these responses. How would you have built the roster different?  Yes the roster is bad but it tells you nothing about building a roster. It only tells you they felt they needed to reset the roster. 

You have to keep some quality pieces , even if you feel they are underperforming. Coach them up and get more out of them. If you tear things down to expansion team level, you’ve dug too deep a hole to get out of in a reasonable time. 

[dezertbill]

On ‎9‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 12:22 PM, BuffaloRush said:

Interesting tidbit from WGR...according to Jerry White there is a prop bet that places Coach McDermott as one of the 5 coaches most likely to get fired.  They gave him 1-5 odds of getting fired.  I know little about better but I am considering betting my life savings against it.

 

IMO, the Bills can go 0-16 and there’s no way Coach is getting axed.  There are a plethora of reasons.  The first is practicality.  In his first year McDermott led the Bills to the playoffs. Period.  That was unthinkable a few years ago, and breaking that streak was huge for both Coach and this franchise.  

 

Second are the Pegulas.  The love Coach and treat him like family.  They gave him a lot of power and authority and he delivered. 

 

The third is continuity.  The Pegulas are conscious of their reputation of getting rid of coaches.  They also know the history of the Bills.  Terry is rumored to have consultants to discuss business with and they will preach continuity as well.  

 

The last is that McDermott and Beane were probably very clear in the time their “process” would take.  I have no doubt that Terry gave Coach his word that he was committed to five years and would give him some time.

 

Either way, I’d put the odds if Coach McDermottt getting fired at 5%.  Jerry White said he feels McDermott is one of the safest coaches in the NFL.  I would agree.  What say you?

Both are safe for several years and deservedly so.

 

This is a marathon, not a sprint.  We have a lot of young players on the team learning, and it shows.  I'm as disappointed as anyone about the OL, DL, secondary, and WR positions.  But there are some key positions occupied by up and coming studs that simply need time to develop. They will get this fixed.  Sucks it might not be next week, but in the long run this team will be solid

[Batman1876]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

You have to keep some quality pieces , even if you feel they are underperforming. Coach them up and get more out of them. If you tear things down to expansion team level, you’ve dug too deep a hole to get out of in a reasonable time. 

Which guys should we have kept?

[stinky finger]

On 9/14/2018 at 4:03 PM, joesixpack said:

 

Wrong again

 

These guys get a minimum of four years. Probably 5.

 

 

Yep - full term as I see it. I believe they've acquired the the most difficult piece (JA) and they will address the rest.

 

They'll be extended after the 4th season. I can see this.

[billsfan714]

Lets face it,  0-16 is a distinct possibility.    Say we go 4-12 in 19,  after all we will have a bunch of rookies with extra late round picks.   The Kool-aid drinkers will say in 19---hey they're just rookies it will take time.....

 

If I told you that the end of Rex/Whaley3 years later we would go 9-7, 0-16 and 4-12 how many of you would of signed up for that? 

[Boatdrinks]

8 minutes ago, Batman1876 said:

Which guys should we have kept?

Take your pick. How many high draft picks from the Whaley era are still on this team. You can’t have a team full of mid to low rounders and hope to be good. Yes, they acquired picks but they had other avenues available to move up. The strategy is questionable, coupled with an apparent inability to evaluate talent as well. Their draft picks aren’t looking too hot, except maybe Tre White. They spent a lot of picks on not many players. We will see if they turn out to be all-pros. 

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The owners have to be asking real questions now and it’s only going to intensify as the media sharks circle and the team loses more games.  Multiple players quitting on the field (Davis, Benjamin), QB benchings, coaches’ responsibilities being shifted, millions in cap dollars pissed away and it’s only week 2...

 

Could've saved yourself the carpal tunnel and just typed .....the sky is falling.

[mannc]

6 minutes ago, Batman1876 said:

Which guys should we have kept?

I’m not an NFL scout or GM, but let’s start with Goodwin and/or Watkins, Dareus, AJ McCarron,  possibly Darby. The real problem, though, is the guys they’ve brought on board: the awful free agents they signed this year, Tolbert, giving up a third round pick for Benjamin, failing to fortify the o-line in the draft....

[Batman1876]

19 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Take your pick. How many high draft picks from the Whaley era are still on this team. You can’t have a team full of mid to low rounders and hope to be good. Yes, they acquired picks but they had other avenues available to move up. The strategy is questionable, coupled with an apparent inability to evaluate talent as well. Their draft picks aren’t looking too hot, except maybe Tre White. They spent a lot of picks on not many players. We will see if they turn out to be all-pros. 

So you think Preston and Cyrus and Reggie would have this team turned around? Or do you think we should have spent all our offseason money on Sammy?

19 minutes ago, mannc said:

I’m not an NFL scout or GM, but let’s start with Goodwin and/or Watkins, Dareus, AJ McCarron,  possibly Darby. The real problem, though, is the guys they’ve brought on board: the awful free agents they signed this year, Tolbert, giving up a third round pick for Benjamin, failing to fortify the o-line in the draft....

So fix the roster in one offseason without cutting cap. How would that have been possible?

[jahnyc]

The discouraging thing is that we still have one of the oldest rosters and not much young talent.  Of course the development of Allen and Edmunds will be key, but other than White and Dawkins, who else do we have to watch develop this season?  Seems to be a pipe dream to expect this team to suddenly improve, even next season, without a significant number of up and coming young players, which I don't think we have and another draft will not be enough to solve.

 

Beane has his hands full, and his free agent acquisitions this offseason are not giving me much confidence in his abilities to assemble a quality roster of talented players.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

50 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

If this season doesn’t turn around in a big way, their continuing employment will be seriously re-evaluated after year 3. 

 

doubt it, they know they are in for losing this year. Pegula restructured the Bills and Sabres around McDermott 's philosophy , it would take a lot for them to go.

 

 

[Peter]

I think it is unlikely that they are let go after this year.  As I have said, it is completely unfair to fire a coach after just two years . . . and it is certainly completely unfair to fire a coach in less than two years . . . .

 

Having said that, things might change if we have many more historic and embarrassing losses and attendance is really bad later in the season.

[LABILLBACKER]

If Hue gets 2 years at 0-16 then so does McB. This whole process nonsense will require heroic patience by Bill's fans.

[mannc]

33 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

doubt it, they know they are in for losing this year. Pegula restructured the Bills and Sabres around McDermott 's philosophy , it would take a lot for them to go.

 

 

I don’t disagree, but no coach or GM should be kept around once it becomes clear that they don’t know what they’re doing. “Continuity” is important, but once a coach has lost the team, or the GM has exposed himself as a fool, there’s little sense keeping them around for the sake of continuity.   We’re not there yet, but it’s not inconceivable that we could get there sooner than some think.

[Klaista2k]

I disagree with people saying no chance that McDermott gets fired.... This is pro sports and you just never know really. 

 

If this team goes 2-14 or 3-13 I would say there's at least a 50% chance that McBeane gets fired.

Edited September 18, 2018 by Klaista2k

[PolishDave]

This thread will be more interesting in weeks 12 +

 

Let's see if they can win any games between now and then.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 9/16/2018 at 7:55 PM, Boatdrinks said:

You have to keep some quality pieces , even if you feel they are underperforming. Coach them up and get more out of them. If you tear things down to expansion team level, you’ve dug too deep a hole to get out of in a reasonable time. 

 

Boatdrinks gets it.  You reset the roster maybe by getting rid of one overpaid underperforming guy.  You don’t scrape the talent plate bare, including of guys on their rookie deals.

 

No one hits in the draft 100%, especially in the later rounds.  No one.  

Everyone overpays for talent in FA.  Everyone.  And by the time you’ve overpaid, you don’t have money to keep the homegrown talent you hit on 3-4 years back

 

 

[Jauronimo]

How safe are any of us, really?  Can you really predict tomorrow?  In the event that the unthinkable happens, are your wife and kids provided for?

 

Let me know if you'd like to learn more about term life insurance.

[26CornerBlitz]

This is nuts! McDermott is not going to get fired!

 

 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

This is nuts! McDermott is not going to get fired!

 

 

Even if they give up 30-40 points all year?

[Peter]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

This is nuts! McDermott is not going to get fired!

 

 

 

I doubt that as well.  It would be unfair to fire a guy in less than two years or only after two years.  Lack of continuity already has hurt this team.

 

The only way I could see the Pegulas firing McCoach is if we continue to have historic embarrassing losses (or something like that).

 

Barring something like that, I just don't see it.  We already have a bit of a reputation for firing coaches quickly (e.g., Rex, Bylsma).

[Real McClappy]

They both easily have 2years. 

 

Beane is the only one I have concerns about but want to see what the draft and FA brings next year. This years FA we brought in looks like crap all around thus far. 

[Big Gun]

9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

This is nuts! McDermott is not going to get fired!

 

 

Where there is smoke there is fire. The wheels are minus the lug nuts and the car is picking up speed, can't tell me the Pegulas are ok with all that has happened. I would not be surprised if the Pegulas have talked with current and former players who have been shipped out by McBean as to what is going on. 

[Boatdrinks]

Seems nuts, although we know many sportswriters chose the Bills as most likely to regress. But the team has done more than regress; they’ve gone from playoff team to tire fire. This is a new era of the NFL, with billionaire owners that want fast results. They don’t care about eating hefty coaches contracts. I know it goes against what T- Pegs has stated in recent times, but this has gotten embarrassing. If the Bills don’t show marked improvement by years end, nothing is off the table. 

Edited September 18, 2018 by Boatdrinks

[26CornerBlitz]