Kirby Jackson Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 This isn’t intended to be a pitchfork thread as there are already 59 of them. One thing that really, really bothered me yesterday when McDermott talked about the need to look at the tape after the game before commenting on certain things. It was clear to literally everyone that Peterman was a disaster. Phillip Gaines should change his number to ?. McDermott wasn’t being transparent at all. He might have thought that he was helping his team but he was insulting the fan base. He would have earned a lot more respect by holding himself accountable like he preaches. He talks an awful lot about accountability and then doesn’t practice it. I know I would have had a lot more respect for him if he told it like it was instead of sticking his head in the sand. 14 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 “I have to look at the tape” = “it’s hard to win in the nfl” 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: This isn’t intended to be a pitchfork thread as there are already 59 of them. One thing that really, really bothered me yesterday when McDermott talked about the need to look at the tape after the game before commenting on certain things. It was clear to literally everyone that Peterman was a disaster. Phillip Gaines should change his number to ?. McDermott wasn’t being transparent at all. He might have thought that he was helping his team but he was insulting the fan base. He would have earned a lot more respect by holding himself accountable like he preaches. He talks an awful lot about accountability and then doesn’t practice it. I know I would have had a lot more respect for him if he told it like it was instead of sticking his head in the sand. I think he likes to insulate his players from public criticism while giving it to them straight behind closed doors. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) The coach works with players every day. He doesn’t know you or work with you. You have no idea what kind of a tongue lashing the team will get this morning. Throwing them under the bus from a microphone after being embarrassed like that in the pouring rain for three hours will serve zero purpose except to make YOU feel better....I guess. Edited September 10, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan inappropriate language 10 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 That vacuous stare and lack of eye contact are no act. He's a bit lost. He's a stuffed shirt. Just now, SoCal Deek said: Easy there killer. The coach works with players every day. He doesn’t know you or work with you. You have no idea what kind of a tongue lashing the team will get this morning. Throwing them under the bus from a microphone after being embarrassed like that in the pouring rain for three hours will serve zero purpose except to make YOU feel better....I guess. Yeah, after they towel off and get comfy and after they all have some orange slices and he passes out the participation medals, he will no doubt unleash that legendary McD fury on them... 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 It’s insulting to say he has to look at the tape after his team lost 47-3. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I’m sure you people have tons of experience running winning corporations and professional sports teams. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I think he likes to insulate his players from public criticism while giving it to them straight behind closed doors. Maybe so but managing the public is a big part of a head coaches’ job. He isn’t doing anyone favors by getting the media, and in turn the fans, worked up. When that happens, he, and his team lose the benefit of the doubt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: “I have to look at the tape” = “it’s hard to win in the nfl” "The team played with a lot of character". Can we bring back Coach Stephenson to say that in post game pressers? We might need it this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: “I have to look at the tape” = “it’s hard to win in the nfl” Same thing Jauron used to spout after a loss. He never said anything other than "look at the tape". Always with the excuses, guys come in here with the same formulas we've seen 1000 times before. And they wonder why we lose faith so fast. I'm ok with us being beat by Baltimore, they were a better team all around. And I didn't think we were a contender this year. But the way we lost this game, the complete and utter humiliation of that blowout is unacceptable. Losing 20-13 ok I get it. 40-3=we have no idea what we're doing. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Easy there killer. The coach works with players every day. He doesn’t know you or work with you. You have no idea what kind of a tongue lashing the team will get this morning. Throwing them under the bus from a microphone after being embarrassed like that in the pouring rain for three hours will serve zero purpose except to make YOU feel better....I guess. See above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Maybe so but managing the public is a big part of a head coaches’ job. He isn’t doing anyone favors by getting the media, and in turn the fans, worked up. When that happens, he, and his team lose the benefit of the doubt. Fair points, but he also tends to keep things pretty tempered when it comes to praise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 He should have just solely took responsibility for the loss as the team was 100% unprepared.. The Bills failed in every facet of the game yesterday. It's one of the worst games as a Bills fan I can ever remember which is saying alot. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 What’s the point of all of this? It’s not like he can change the roster now! He’s got 15 more games to go with these stuffs. Throwing them under the bus in early September serves no purpose whatsoever, other than to make guys on a message board feel better for a few minutes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Easy there killer. The coach works with players every day. He doesn’t know you or work with you. You have no idea what kind of a tongue lashing the team will get this morning. Throwing them under the bus from a microphone after being embarrassed like that in the pouring rain for three hours will serve zero purpose except to make YOU feel better....I guess. One thing we do know is if he holds true to what he said in the Embedded series that if you don't play hard you will be replaced then it looks as though there will be a lot of different players on the field this week !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) There should honestly be no need for him to look at the tape to determine who to start next week. And based on how things have gone offensively, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't get anything out of looking at the tape of the offensive side of the ball. More than likely he needs to talk to Daboll and see what he thinks. He's a wet blanket when it comes to the offensive side of the ball, which is annoying. They had one shot during the game, think it was the 2nd offensive possession, where McD was on the tablet looking at what I assume was the last defensive series, hardly paying attention to what the offense was doing. That's a problem. Edited September 10, 2018 by Wayne Cubed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: What’s the point of all of this? It’s not like he can change the roster now! He’s got 15 more games to go with these stuffs. Throwing them under the bus in early September serves no purpose whatsoever, other than to make guys on a message board feel better for a few minutes. Just to be clear I’m not asking him to crush anyone publicly. Those guys mentioned were just examples. At the same time when you get buried like that you don’t need to look at the tape to figure out what happened. He could have went the route of, “we struggled in the passing game. The line committed too many penalties, there were drops and some throws that we’d like back. It wasn’t a good day.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 "Our young guys competed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, Bangarang said: It’s insulting to say he has to look at the tape after his team lost 47-3. I don't know. What I saw was a complete team failure, not one player. The O-line was a total disaster. When either NP or Allen got the ball to a receiver, they dropped it. Even the TV guys pulled out the tele-strator showing how not one receiver got open on pass plays. Maybe McDermott should have been more angry with his players, but maybe he should be mad at himself and Beane? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: What’s the point of all of this? It’s not like he can change the roster now! He’s got 15 more games to go with these stuffs. Throwing them under the bus in early September serves no purpose whatsoever, other than to make guys on a message board feel better for a few minutes. Exactly, you can't just jettison all the good players in the name of process and think this self created reclamation project will only take 1 year to fix. Their moves have set the franchise back 5+ years and within that time frame guys get hurt become FA, stuff happens so that 5 years may turn into 7 or 8 years. I do not understand McBeans direction at all right now, maybe it will become more clear but right now it looks like a rudderless ship and McDermott seems to becoming less and less transparent as Kirby says. IDK but this whole "process" seems to be an unmitigated mess right now and that is unacceptable. Edited September 10, 2018 by pop gun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 24 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: This isn’t intended to be a pitchfork thread as there are already 59 of them. One thing that really, really bothered me yesterday when McDermott talked about the need to look at the tape after the game before commenting on certain things. It was clear to literally everyone that Peterman was a disaster. Phillip Gaines should change his number to ?. McDermott wasn’t being transparent at all. He might have thought that he was helping his team but he was insulting the fan base. He would have earned a lot more respect by holding himself accountable like he preaches. He talks an awful lot about accountability and then doesn’t practice it. I know I would have had a lot more respect for him if he told it like it was instead of sticking his head in the sand. I guess there's 60 now. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 25 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: This isn’t intended to be a pitchfork thread as there are already 59 of them. One thing that really, really bothered me yesterday when McDermott talked about the need to look at the tape after the game before commenting on certain things. It was clear to literally everyone that Peterman was a disaster. Phillip Gaines should change his number to ?. McDermott wasn’t being transparent at all. He might have thought that he was helping his team but he was insulting the fan base. He would have earned a lot more respect by holding himself accountable like he preaches. He talks an awful lot about accountability and then doesn’t practice it. I know I would have had a lot more respect for him if he told it like it was instead of sticking his head in the sand. I have to look at the tape = I'm not going to comment now while I'm still emotionally invested in today's results. Coaches are not like fans where they love to be emotional and reactionary. Judge the actions and not the words and his actions were to pull Nate and will likely stick with Allen going forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I didn't expect McCoach to go full Jim Mora after the game, but at some point he needs to balance protecting his players with being cognizant of his where his HC career is going. He can't talk about reviewing the tape after every game and it's quite clear that his decisions need to be further examined. Twice in the span of less than a year he's gone with a QB who is completely unprepared for the speed of the game. That's unacceptable in today's NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I don't know. What I saw was a complete team failure, not one player. The O-line was a total disaster. When either NP or Allen got the ball to a receiver, they dropped it. Even the TV guys pulled out the tele-strator showing how not one receiver got open on pass plays. Maybe McDermott should have been more angry with his players, but maybe he should be mad at himself and Beane? ....or both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 17 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: What’s the point of all of this? It’s not like he can change the roster now! He’s got 15 more games to go with these stuffs. Throwing them under the bus in early September serves no purpose whatsoever, other than to make guys on a message board feel better for a few minutes. Might you consider that he could answer these simple questions without necessarily "throwing them under the bus"? They were simple and easily anticipated questions. It just made him look dumb. I think that's the point you are missing in (almost) every poster's response to this thread... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) I'll bet when Beane balances his checkbook he gets his balance, draws a line and starts over again. Problem is he still has some checks out there that haven't cleared yet. Next thing you know he's getting hit with overdraft fees. That's a good analogy of where the Bills are at right now and the next big deposit ain't until this season is over. Edited September 10, 2018 by bmur66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I don't know. What I saw was a complete team failure, not one player. The O-line was a total disaster. When either NP or Allen got the ball to a receiver, they dropped it. Even the TV guys pulled out the tele-strator showing how not one receiver got open on pass plays. Maybe McDermott should have been more angry with his players, but maybe he should be mad at himself and Beane? yep, they yellow x'd the receivers and they were covered up tight. i want to see ducasse on the bench. teller can't be any worse and why wasn't dimarco blocking? i also noticed only one blitz which was edmunds up the middle which looked great. maybe frazier went to the dc school of wanstandt, idk but if we don't start getting pressure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 32 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: This isn’t intended to be a pitchfork thread as there are already 59 of them. One thing that really, really bothered me yesterday when McDermott talked about the need to look at the tape after the game before commenting on certain things. It was clear to literally everyone that Peterman was a disaster. Phillip Gaines should change his number to ?. McDermott wasn’t being transparent at all. He might have thought that he was helping his team but he was insulting the fan base. He would have earned a lot more respect by holding himself accountable like he preaches. He talks an awful lot about accountability and then doesn’t practice it. I know I would have had a lot more respect for him if he told it like it was instead of sticking his head in the sand. His act is already getting old and the fans in this town will turn on him real quick if the team is as bad as they looked yesterday. If he goes with Peterman in week 2, he is going to lose almost all the good will he earned from ending the drought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I agree. I wish McD would have said “it starts with me “, or “I will get it right”. I get he’s just doing the typical answer by saying he will look at the tape, but it really is frustrating to hear that. I sure as hell he looks at the tape. Just got absolutely slaughtered in every aspect of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) I really don't care what stupid cliche is thrown out during a post-game PC. The fact is that he's not going to get into specifics. And positive reinforcement is much better than negative. Especially in front of the media. Wait until the Bills win. He'll say he needs to review the tape after that game, too. As the leader, McD needs to be even keel. Putting on a show for the media isn't necessary. Edited September 10, 2018 by LeGOATski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 30 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Maybe so but managing the public is a big part of a head coaches’ job. He isn’t doing anyone favors by getting the media, and in turn the fans, worked up. When that happens, he, and his team lose the benefit of the doubt. No, not really. Belichick doesn't give two poops what the public thinks, he coaches and manages the way he sees fit and that's it. Doesn't care one iota what is written about him, what fans think of him or anyone else for that matter. Now, it comes with the resume of winning, but he didn't always have that same resume and he was the same person. Please see his resignation to the Jets on a napkin for exhibit A in the evidence bag. Point being....we all want reassurance during the time of anxiety and doubt, but that's not his job at this point. His job is to course correct this team and he can't do that effectively if he loses the locker room due to being vocal about his displeasure with any one particular player unless it's off the field issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I agree. I wish McD would have said “it starts with me “, or “I will get it right”. I get he’s just doing the typical answer by saying he will look at the tape, but it really is frustrating to hear that. I sure as hell he looks at the tape. Just got absolutely slaughtered in every aspect of the game. Is it frustrating? So, if he says "It's all on me" after a 47-3 loss, that's going to make you feel soooooo much better? You can go about your day in a happy mood? The guy obviously has a ton of reviewing to do. Better get started rather than wasting time giving the fans and media lip service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Is it frustrating? So, if he says "It's all on me" after a 47-3 loss, that's going to make you feel soooooo much better? You can go about your day in a happy mood? The guy obviously has a ton of reviewing to do. Better get started rather than wasting time giving the fans and media lip service. Hence the thread title Accountability Edited September 10, 2018 by Real McCoy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I really don't care what stupid cliche is thrown out during a post-game PC. The fact is that he's not going to get into specifics. And positive reinforcement is much better than negative. Especially in front of the media. Wait until the Bills win. He'll say he needs to review the tape after that game, too. As the leader, McD needs to be even keel. Putting on a show for the media isn't necessary. I guess for me 47-3 without a 1st down in the 1st half is different than 20-17. I have no issues if he says that in those situations. This wasn’t the time to hide behind the tape. Your team was utterly dominated in all aspects. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Real McCoy said: Hence the thread title Accountabilty This thread is a request for lip service. When Rex Ryan said it was all on him, that really made a difference, right? McD will review the tape and hold the right people accountable, including himself. Why would anyone not believe that, given what we've seen so far? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, LeGOATski said: Is it frustrating? So, if he says "It's all on me" after a 47-3 loss, that's going to make you feel soooooo much better? You can go about your day in a happy mood? The guy obviously has a ton of reviewing to do. Better get started rather than wasting time giving the fans and media lip service. Really not sure why you turned it extreme with that example. Goes without saying but I’m pissed either way. But back to my original point before you took it to that level. It is frustrating to hear him say that because not once did I hear him take any accountability for yesterday’s loss. Not once. As the head coach/leader of the team, do you not agree he should have taken responsibility for that onslaught yesterday? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 41 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I think he likes to insulate his players from public criticism while giving it to them straight behind closed doors. Yes, that is it. The media are idiots asking him questions about who starts at QB next week immediately after a game and expecting him to say much else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 @Kirby Jackson How many changes do you potentially see for next week? I think for sure you have to start Allen. Vontae has lost a step but Gaines looked as bad as Chris Watson. I also think we could get some OLine shuffling. Maybe Bodine goes to center and Groy goes to one of the guard spots? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I guess for me 47-3 without a 1st down in the 1st half is different than 20-17. I have no issues if he says that in those situations. This wasn’t the time to hide behind the tape. Your team was utterly dominated in all aspects. We're talking about a meeting with the media. It's best to just stay consistent in these things, IMO. Be positive or be neutral for the media/fans and handle your real business in-house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Im waiting to see what he says and what changes he makes this week before I comment but I agree, there needs to be accountability after that horrid display yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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