YoloinOhio Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 (edited) People in hell want ice water, Doug. but seriously - he had this same philosophy with EJ and I thought it made him way too tentative and scared. I think it’s also what led to the Jags getting so conservative at the end of the AFC Championship Game, not trusting Bortles to throw. I mean he’s not a great passer but you have to at least try to take chances through the air. I think there is an ideal # of INTs and it’s not zero. Fournette is going to see a lot of stacked boxes - 1st down handoffs in shotgun all day. Edited September 6, 2018 by YoloinOhio 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 i feel like he's setting himself up for failure here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 (edited) It definitely seems like an unfair, and also unrealistic expectation to be put on Bortles. While I agree Bortles may not be an elite signal caller by any means, I don't think he's the worst either. You're also right in that defenses are going to do their best to eliminate Fournette, thus placing even more pressure on Bortles to beat them with his arm. At the end of the day I have to wonder if Marrone will wish he could un-say that... Edited September 6, 2018 by smuvtalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 #analytics Zero" interceptions is an unrealistic number for any quarterback. Aaron Rodgers, who owns the lowest interception per pass rate in NFL history at 1.6 percent, has never thrown fewer than five in a season since he earned the starting job. Marrone, however, doubled down on his point that the quarterback must negate turnovers. When asked if he'd trade 15 additional touchdown passes from Bortles if that meant five more INTs than last season, the coach responded, "No." "Because I know the turnovers will lead to wins and losses more than the touchdowns," Marrone said. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 If you focus too hard on not turning the ball over, you don't take chances and miss out on some big plays. (just ask Tyrod). To me, this is akin to the Bears telling Roquan Smith they wouldn't pay his fines for hard hits that are deemed illegal. You draft a player to be aggressive and fly to the ball but then you send him a message that says, if you do take chances, we won't support you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Glad I drafted fournette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Does he plan to have him sit on the bench all year? That's about the only way he's going to not have any turnovers. 9 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Glad I drafted fournette 500 carries for 1500 yards inc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Glad I drafted fournette Did you get a handcuff? I can’t remember who their backup is now that Ivory left. Still Yeldon? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Did you get a handcuff? I can’t remember who their backup is now that Ivory left. Still Yeldon? Nah, not that skilled lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 If you never make a mistake then your aren't doing anything 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 It is exactly how Marrone coached here. Knowing how much he values that type of play odd that the Jags were not in on Tyrod. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 If you have a great defense what would you expect the coach to say about his average quarterback? Sounds like a solid strategy to me. In the simplest of terms...“Don’t beat yourself.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I'll take the over Doug 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: If you have a great defense what would you expect the coach to say about his average quarterback? Sounds like a solid strategy to me. In the simplest of terms...“Don’t beat yourself.” I go the other way - if you have a great defense you can take more chances 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: #analytics What a Marrone. He's smart enough to know that TO margin is one of the best predictors of wins. But dumb enough to think that an extra 21 points against 1 TO is a bad trade. That TO can only lead to 8 points the other way, genius. 16 when you consider the opportunity cost of the lost possession. Still less than 21. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigdaddyinOrlando Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Hey Doug, I'm sure the fans like ours here, don't want to see any punts on fourth and one from the other teams 38 yard line! Pretty sure that will go out the window in the first quarter Dougie Douche! Get real and way to back him up ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I go the other way - if you have a great defense you can take more chances And that maybe why you’re not a head coach. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Marrone is going to find out what disappointment feels like with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I want 134 turnovers from Blake Bortles... ...and Gisele to call out my name while she's having sex with Tom... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I go the other way - if you have a great defense you can take more chances Yea agreed, you know if the ball is turned over your defense can hold and get you it back. Take more chances. My word he is as old school as they come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: It is exactly how Marrone coached here. Knowing how much he values that type of play odd that the Jags were not in on Tyrod. I was just coming here to say the same thing. The Jags know that Bortles mistakes are one of the only things that could hold them back. I’m surprised that they didn’t take that off the table with Tyrod. I guess it’s possible next year. I don’t see Bortles there long-term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloSol Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I really hope they lose a bunch of games this year, I hate marone, a bunch of their players, and their newly formed "fan base." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Marrone would rather coach robots. He's dour/anal and will suck the fun out of the game for Bortles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I was just coming here to say the same thing. The Jags know that Bortles mistakes are one of the only things that could hold them back. I’m surprised that they didn’t take that off the table with Tyrod. I guess it’s possible next year. I don’t see Bortles there long-term. Can they get out of Bortles' deal after this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill1 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Obviously. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kirby Jackson Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Can they get out of Bortles' deal after this year? I believe that they can after next year. It’s like a $16.5M dead cap hit after this year. They could draft a guy and/or try to get Tyrod for $10m a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: And that maybe why you’re not a head coach. ? Yes I’m sure that’s what has been holding me back all these years, dammit! Lol but seriously, that approach can work to a point, but it can only get you so far. Sooner or later, you are going to play a team that can score regardless of how good your D is (I.e. NE) and you have to be able to move the ball through the air and on the ground to win. Hiding your QB and leaning only on the run game isn’t going to get it done vs the better offenses and defenses. Jalen Hurts has won a ton of games at Bama that way but even Lil Nicky knew that he had to put his gunslinger in the game and throw the rock around when his normally lock down D couldn’t stop UGA’s offense and UGA’s D was able to make them one-dimensional. I’m sure it makes him cringe seing Tua “get lucky” on some throws that could have gone the other way, but the rewards of the passing attack can outweigh that. Like I said, it can work at times but very rarely do you see the 2000 Ravens, for example. Eventually you need to take chances through the air Edited September 6, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Doug Marrone this week: "My goal for Blake Bortles is zero turnovers." Doug Marrone next week after a Blake Bortles interception: "My goal for Blake Bortles is no more than 1 turnover this season." Doug Marrone in 2 weeks. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I really dislike everything about the Jacksonville Jaguars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 a left-handed guy that throws right-handed but no turnovers somehow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsInWilmingtonNC Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Everyone hear McDermott tell Daboll not to be affraid to make a mistake and take chances during embedded 4 around 14:30..... Glad we have McD and not Marrone. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Quote When asked if he'd trade 15 additional touchdown passes from Bortles if that meant five more INTs than last season, the coach responded, "No." "Because I know the turnovers will lead to wins and losses more than the touchdowns," Marrone said. Now I fully understand why we're starting Peterman! ? BTW Doug, we'll take the TD's over the turnovers every time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 ST Doug is satin Doug when it comes to developing young QBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Man people overreact to things around here. If I was the coach, I would say the same thing too, and I would hope that my QB goes into the season with the same mentality that he doesnt want to throw any interceptions this year. You think BB goes out and sits Tom down and tells him it's ok to throw an INT because it means he was trying to make something? And if the QB is going to wilt under a comment like that with pressure then he is not a starting QB in the NFL. I doubt Marrone will bench or cut Bortles if he throws an INT, he just doesnt want him turning the ball over cause that leads to wins for the other team. This 'jilted lover' syndrome between Bill's fans and Marrone is over the top. He was dispised by fans while he was here, and then when he gave them what they wanted and left, fans went nuts because he quit, many I assume just disappointed cause they didnt get to watch ownership do their best imitation of Vince McMahon and fire him in public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Doug is an Idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 48 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: OK, dad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I was curious to see how many turnovers Blake has actually had in the NFL. 79 in 4 years. I'm not even mad, that's impressive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said: I was curious to see how many turnovers Blake has actually had in the NFL. 79 in 4 years. I'm not even mad, that's impressive. At one point he had more career pick 6s than career wins. And it wasn’t that long ago. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: At one point he had more career pick 6s than career wins. And it wasn’t that long ago. My favourite Blake Bortles fact. Blake Bortles only averages 0.4 yards more per pass attempt than per rush attempt. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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