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7 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

he's worth 2 firsts if he's elite

that's how I look at it

Let's look at the bills:

say you took 2 drafts in a row

 

cj spiller + marcel dareus vs mack?

i'd take mack 

(using that as an example)

 

 

You miss my FULL point. I’d pay a couple 1’s IF we could get him on a rookie deal for 5 years. If we ALSO have to pay $20 mil+/year, I lose my appetite a bit. 

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Just now, BuffaloBaumer said:

Only if you are picking in the 20s for the next 2 years do you consider 2 firsts. With the Bills flirting with a top 10 pick...possibly top 5 - FOR-GET-IT

If I’m the Bills here’s my offer: McCarron, a 2019 2nd and 4th and a 2020 2nd that can become a 1st (based on some unlikely criteria). 

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4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

The Raiders are shopping him. That is all. Beane won't give up two 1st Round picks. I know that. I honestly believe the damage is done with Mack and Oakland will take a deal from someone. I think it ends up being a 1st and a 3rd, maybe a player thrown in. I don't expect him to be in a Raiders' uni ever again. 

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4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If I’m the Bills here’s my offer: McCarron, a 2019 2nd and 4th and a 2020 2nd that can become a 1st (based on some unlikely criteria). 

 

Beane can’t give away the 2019 1st rounder because of the likelihood of it being a top 10 pick.  Other teams will almost surely part with their 1st rounder for Mack, so unless Gruden has a thing for McCarron or Peterman, Mack won’t be coming to Buffalo. 

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14 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

You miss my FULL point. I’d pay a couple 1’s IF we could get him on a rookie deal for 5 years. If we ALSO have to pay $20 mil+/year, I lose my appetite a bit. 

 

I got your point :)

i don't disagree with your logic on it.

I think it's a close call either way :)

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1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said:

 

Beane can’t give away the 2019 1st rounder because of the likelihood of it being a top 10 pick.  Other teams will almost surely part with their 1st rounder for Mack, so unless Gruden has a thing for McCarron or Peterman, Mack won’t be coming to Buffalo. 

Maybe, unless they can get a 2020 from the Bills and more. For example what is a better offer: GB’s 1st and 3rd in 2019 or McCarron, Bills 2nd, 4th and 2020 1st or 2nd? If you think that the Bills are bad (or GB is good) you may consider it. I can’t see the Bills giving up their 2019 1st but they can still assemble a solid offer. 

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11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Maybe, unless they can get a 2020 from the Bills and more. For example what is a better offer: GB’s 1st and 3rd in 2019 or McCarron, Bills 2nd, 4th and 2020 1st or 2nd? If you think that the Bills are bad (or GB is good) you may consider it. I can’t see the Bills giving up their 2019 1st but they can still assemble a solid offer. 

 

I can’t imagine they would give up next year’s first at this point. We have too many needs, and that pick might get you a stud  or be swapped for a basket full of picks later. We are not one player away. I’d prefer to stockpile some quality on the cheap. 

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1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Shaq Lawson was a first round pick. Give them a 1 and Shaq. That can count as 2 “first round picks” on a technicality 

Corey Coleman was a 1st and we still got him for a 7th. Doesn't work that way, he's used goods.

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I think draft picks in the NFL are the single most over valued thing in sports. Go back and look at our last 10 to 15 first round picks and see how many pairs of them, you wouldn’t trade straight up for Mack. It’s all moot anyway. Teams don’t think that way and this is never going to happen. A team might pull off a deal but it won’t be the Bills.

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30 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

 

Beane can’t give away the 2019 1st rounder because of the likelihood of it being a top 10 pick.  Other teams will almost surely part with their 1st rounder for Mack, so unless Gruden has a thing for McCarron or Peterman, Mack won’t be coming to Buffalo. 

With the way the first half of the schedule looks and the given the current state of the offensive line, it could be a Top 5 pick.

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I think draft picks in the NFL are the single most over valued thing in sports. Go back and look at our last 10 to 15 first round picks and see how many pairs of them, you wouldn’t trade straight up for Mack. It’s all moot anyway. Teams don’t think that way and this is never going to happen. A team might pull off a deal but it won’t be the Bills.

 

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10 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

My prediction is that the Jets will offer a 1st and the 3rd they got for Teddy...

 

I really don’t want to see the Jets get smart all of a sudden! I wish they’d hire Rex again! 

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2 first round picks?

 

Absolutely!  Would do it in a heartbeat.

 

As mentioned by others, 1st round picks are a crap shoot.  With Mack you know exactly what your getting...a generational player.  He’ll be a stud on your team for many years.  The track record of 1st rounders league wide is poor at best, again with Mack you know exactly what you’re getting.

 

As as far as $$$, our cap is looking good starting next year, so structure the deal to accommodate that.  Stay under the cap this year, then take the hit next year and beyond.

 

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Our next 2 first round picks should be rather high. Beane won't spend that.

However, a high pick this year could spell a trade down and an added first round pick next year, or at least the ammo to consider it. That said, all Hail McWitch!. 

I vote Hell Yeah on acquiring Mack...at a fair price

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On ‎8‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 9:48 PM, BuffaloRebound said:

 

Beane can’t give away the 2019 1st rounder because of the likelihood of it being a top 10 pick.  Other teams will almost surely part with their 1st rounder for Mack, so unless Gruden has a thing for McCarron or Peterman, Mack won’t be coming to Buffalo. 

Because as we all here know  a top ten pick is guaranteed to become a star or at least a 10+ year starter, where as Mack has proven nothing and is getting older by the minute. anybody wouldn't give a 2019 1st rounder is either crazy or lacks football knowledge, I understand the reluctance of paying is salary but being afraid of giving up a 1st ? Hughes and a 2019 1st for Mack. Git er done.

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My thoughts.

 

Khalil Mack 

 

for 

 

Bills 1st in 2019 (which Raiders may think would be a top 10)

Bills 2nd rounder in 2020

Charles Clay

AJ McCarron.

 

Clay is expendable.  I think Leary, Croom, Lee, Thomas, and even Towbridge---Clay's salary doesn't make sense to keep.  

 

He would be a weapon for Gruden's offense, and McCarron would give him a huge upgraded over Connor Cook and EJ Manuel.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, dezertbill said:

My thoughts.

 

Khalil Mack 

 

for 

 

Bills 1st in 2019 (which Raiders may think would be a top 10)

Bills 2nd rounder in 2020

Charles Clay

AJ McCarron.

 

Clay is expendable.  I think Leary, Croom, Lee, Thomas, and even Towbridge---Clay's salary doesn't make sense to keep.  

 

He would be a weapon for Gruden's offense, and McCarron would give him a huge upgraded over Connor Cook and EJ Manuel.

 

 

 

......should also include a "new contract north Donald's deal today"...............

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23 minutes ago, dezertbill said:

My thoughts.

 

Khalil Mack 

 

for 

 

Bills 1st in 2019 (which Raiders may think would be a top 10)

Bills 2nd rounder in 2020

Charles Clay

AJ McCarron.

 

Clay is expendable.  I think Leary, Croom, Lee, Thomas, and even Towbridge---Clay's salary doesn't make sense to keep.  

 

He would be a weapon for Gruden's offense, and McCarron would give him a huge upgraded over Connor Cook and EJ Manuel.

 

 

Raiders dont need Clay, they have Jared Cook.   Similar player who makes 2 million less a year.

 

 

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9 hours ago, dezertbill said:

My thoughts.

 

Khalil Mack 

 

for 

 

Bills 1st in 2019 (which Raiders may think would be a top 10)

Bills 2nd rounder in 2020

Charles Clay

AJ McCarron.

 

Clay is expendable.  I think Leary, Croom, Lee, Thomas, and even Towbridge---Clay's salary doesn't make sense to keep.  

 

He would be a weapon for Gruden's offense, and McCarron would give him a huge upgraded over Connor Cook and EJ Manuel.

 

 

Way, way too much.

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10 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

If Beane gives up two 1st round picks (especially when our 2019 1st could very well yield us either Nick Bosa, Ed Oliver or Trey Adams) and a roster player for a disgruntled DE who will be looking to BEAT Aaron Donald's new contract, he should be fired.

And it could very well not yield one of those players. Who's to say any of the above mentioned players will turn out to be the caliber of player like Khalil Mack. He was an All Pro at 2 different positions. Also, is there a quote from Mack or his agent saying that they want a deal that's better than Donald's? If there's a deal to be made for him, the Bills ought to strike while the irons hot. 

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13 minutes ago, the skycap said:

And it could very well not yield one of those players. Who's to say any of the above mentioned players will turn out to be the caliber of player like Khalil Mack. He was an All Pro at 2 different positions. Also, is there a quote from Mack or his agent saying that they want a deal that's better than Donald's? If there's a deal to be made for him, the Bills ought to strike while the irons hot. 

So, because the draft is a "crap shoot," you'd be ok with giving up two 1sts, plus (probably) Hughes and other roster players, additional picks in 2019 and 2020 AND a $25 million a year contract for Mack?

Did you watch the Bengals and Browns games?  How did the starting offensive line do in protecting McCarron and Allen?

These are the Bills' opponents through mid October: Ravens, Chargers, Vikings, Packers, Titans, Texans.  All of these teams have defenses that will obliterate our offensive line and whoever's under center.  Having Mack on this team will ultimately mean NOTHING in those games.

Are you saying that you would be ok watching those disasters, just so you could wear a red, white and blue Khalil Mack jersey on Sundays?

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1 minute ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

So, because the draft is a "crap shoot," you'd be ok with giving up two 1sts, plus (probably) Hughes and other roster players, additional picks in 2019 and 2020 AND a $25 million a year contract for Mack?

Did you watch the Bengals and Browns games?  How did the starting offensive line do in protecting McCarron and Allen?

These are the Bills' opponents through mid October: Ravens, Chargers, Vikings, Packers, Titans, Texans.  All of these teams have defenses that will obliterate our offensive line and whoever's under center. 

Are you saying that you would be ok watching those disasters, just so you could wear a red, white and blue Khalil Mack jersey on Sundays?

It would be some sort of combo, but not all of that. All-Pro/HOF linemen/players have been drafted after the 1st rd. I know you can say the same for LB/DE, but if you can get a Lawrence Taylor like player you get him. 2-1sts in subsequent years, YES. You already have your "franchise" QB on your roster. Just think of Jim Kelly and Bruce Smith.

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