OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 ....It's called the "I told you so" doctrine......same thing Chandler #81 said about some Bills fans....who really give a rat's azz about the urinalists?......these clowns have bandwagons with elevators so they can get on and off and on and off QUICKLY......wonder how many of the "start Allen NOW" contingent published "WTF's" when the "pick was in"??..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Because Buffalo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 5 hours ago, ThunderGun said: Yeah, from THIS coaching staff. Why wouldn't they have worked out the flaws in his game sooner if they were any good @ Wyoming? Seems like Allen is pretty fast on the uptake, and has rectified many of his issues quickly. That's all credit to McD's staff, not Wyoming. This team has two healthy QBs. One set the NFL record for INTS in one half, and should've been intercepted for a pick 6 on his first throw with the 3rd team... The other has every physical intangible a QB could possibly want, was the 7th overall pick, and seems to be acclimating to the game much faster than anticipated. Hopefully this staff just cuts the BS, and makes Allen the starter. Starting Peterman is just a waste of time, and feels like a "Jauron" type move. No point in prolonging the inevitable. At this point, there may be lots of things that are inevitable. One of which is our QB getting killed by Juan Castillos unit. @Raven, vs Chargers and @vikings. As much as he may deserve to start, letting Peterman get destroyed by those teams may be the smartest move going forward. The OL is just bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Take off the tin foil hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Fake news!! FAKE NEWS!!!! Stolen valor!! Lock them up! LOCK THEM UP!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) Not only that, Ducasse is absolutely a Russian agent sent to sabotage the 2018 campaign from within. I mean, his name is Vladimir. How many freakin' clues do you need? Edited August 19, 2018 by Ralonzo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: It’s not just the media. There’s a huge contingent of Bills fans who refuse to see what their eyes are telling them. probably PTSD, but I’m no doctor.. Thanks for the merge....didn’t realize there was another thread on the exact same topic. Great minds think alike! Edited August 19, 2018 by BuffaloRush 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) We get so insecure all of the time. The national media doesn’t want Allen to fail. They really don’t care what he does. Allen happens to be one of the most polarizing QB prospects in a long, long time. He has an elite skill set with a spotty track record. Some people think he’s going to be amazing and some think the exact opposite. What people “think” and what they “want” aren’t the same thing. Edited August 19, 2018 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 6 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: I’m pretty high on Allen right now. But I wouldn’t call it a “success” as of yet. He’s seen limited action in 2 preseason games. Preseason games don’t count for anything.... No, but he's also not a colossal failure, which is what the experts predicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 7 hours ago, mykidsdad said: https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-2018-bills-19-browns-17 Interesting that PFF has little to say about Josh Allen's progress. I normally have a lot of confidence with their analytics and when they came out strongly against Josh Allen, I was really discouraged. If they end up being wrong on this, it may be one of their bigger misses using their advanced stats. It seems to me that they're already being a little stuborn about Josh's early success. It is very early, still, but I would have expected them to say something about him. Could Josh possibly ding their credibility? The reason is because he was drafted by Buffalo and it fits well with their talking points, if he were drafted by one of New York teams they would be pumping him up as the next Joe Namath. End of the day who cares, plays are made on the field not in newspapers . This kid look like the real deal, just remember the last (2) first round QB'S we had, Losman and EJ both struggled in the pocket with happy feet and afraid to throw the ball down the field. I am not seeing this with Allen, he makes his reads and either lets it fly or tries to make plays with his feet. The guy is showing to make quick process decisions and then you add the fact that he most likely has the strongest arm in the league with also one of quickess releases it is all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: No, but he's also not a colossal failure, which is what the experts predicted. .......they barely acknowledged the breaking of the "drought".......and are lukewarm impressed with McD........and here we are ranked DEAD LAST for 2018 Excitement Factor... Ranking each NFL team based on excitement factor Rachel Wold, Sportsnaut 16 hrs ago https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ranking-each-nfl-team-based-on-excitement-factor/ss-BBM69B7?li=BBnba9I#image=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 People like to be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Because they want to be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) Stats are tough to draw conclusions if not used with proper caveats and as others have said they are misused. Stats don't address sample size, context, often ignore ability to learn and adjust... hard to quantify, though wonderlic scores can give you an idea... Allen’s were reportedly very good... I like what I see so far... if he can gain Brady’s discipline with what appears to be River’s skill set... he could be great and you see signs of that. Still he is a work in progress, but things are looking up. I am hopeful. As to should he start right away. I’ll let coaches decide... need to see more in last two preseason games and am still worried about rough schedule in first four games. The media does like to be right and Allen has so many potential tough to quantify variable it is easy to pan him. Edited August 19, 2018 by North Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 26 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: The reason is because he was drafted by Buffalo and it fits well with their talking points, if he were drafted by one of New York teams they would be pumping him up as the next Joe Namath. End of the day who cares, plays are made on the field not in newspapers . This kid look like the real deal, just remember the last (2) first round QB'S we had, Losman and EJ both struggled in the pocket with happy feet and afraid to throw the ball down the field. I am not seeing this with Allen, he makes his reads and either lets it fly or tries to make plays with his feet. The guy is showing to make quick process decisions and then you add the fact that he most likely has the strongest arm in the league with also one of quickess releases it is all good. Technically, Buffalo is the only NY team, but I digress. ? There is a good point there, part of the narritive is that the Bills, long-time losers, drafted him. A hard-luck team uses a high pick on a kid who looks like a statistical mess. Sounds like a Cleveland move, and so the media spins it that way. Had NE drafted Allen the narrative would be completely different, as Bellie gets the next possible GOAT with raw talent and just a small handful of flaws that a brilliant coach like him could fix. The narrative of each preseason game would be how amazing Allen is, and how quickly Bellie is molding him into a god. Also remember, the media is looking for clicks. With all these QBs drafted, they need to strongly differentiate between them. Otherwise they risk looking like they're copy/pasting. Allen is on the Bills, and got the storyline "High-risk, likely bust", to separate him from the others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 8 hours ago, mykidsdad said: https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-2018-bills-19-browns-17 Interesting that PFF has little to say about Josh Allen's progress. I normally have a lot of confidence with their analytics and when they came out strongly against Josh Allen, I was really discouraged. If they end up being wrong on this, it may be one of their bigger misses using their advanced stats. It seems to me that they're already being a little stuborn about Josh's early success. It is very early, still, but I would have expected them to say something about him. Could Josh possibly ding their credibility? There is more to the national media than PFF....other outlets have been saying good things about Allen...especially after Friday's game...CBS, NFL Network.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....It's called the "I told you so" doctrine......same thing Chandler #81 said about some Bills fans....who really give a rat's azz about the urinalists?......these clowns have bandwagons with elevators so they can get on and off and on and off QUICKLY......wonder how many of the "start Allen NOW" contingent published "WTF's" when the "pick was in"??..... I don't know if you meant to drop the J, but it's awsome!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) Remember when PFF gave Aaron Rodgers a negative score after a 5 TD game and people still took them seriously after? I member. It's like all you have to say is advance stats and everyone stops asking questions. Maybe there metrics are off and the stats they are using do not correlate as much to success in the game as they think. Edited August 19, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, JaxBills said: I don't know if you meant to drop the J, but it's awsome!!!! ...LOL....you betcha.......now if I could only get them to autograph my Kohler, I'd have a reminder EVERY morning................. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 51 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: No, but he's also not a colossal failure, which is what the experts predicted. I wouldn’t call him anything yet. It’s 2 games into the preseason. But I do believe he will be a success. My opinion is pretty biased though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, dickleyjones said: people try to make statistics mean more than they actually mean. if it were only for football that would be good. fact is, stats are used incorrectly in much more important areas of life...there is a lot of terrible medical research done by doctors who think they know something about the scientific method. once again: statistics say very little about the future of a specific player. PFF makes me laugh, it is impossible to take them seriously. This is so true. As an example the Football Outsiders guys laugh at Josh Allen's chances to become a franchise QB, but their own QBASE statistic gave him a 37.3% chance of being at least an adequate starter. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/qbase-2018 They supposedly are a statistics based website, but they laugh at someone with over a 1 in 3 chance of becoming an NFL starter. Anyone who knows probability knows that 37.3% is not that low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 There is a real reason teams that went full analytics. And are now backing away. It's a great tool to reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, Chris farley said: There is a real reason teams that went full analytics. And are now backing away. It's a great tool to reference. No team has ever gone full analytics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No team has ever gone full analytics. True. Went a bit over the top with full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 8 hours ago, BuffAlone said: It could. But you could also take a ding to your credibility if your username turns out to be wrong...? I kid, I kid.... Have to say that I've been on this board for a while and read many many posts. This is easily the funniest I have read. You saw an opening and took your shot. Well played sir. Nothing short of brilliant!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No team has ever gone full analytics. "You went full analytics. Never go full analytics!" ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 8 hours ago, mykidsdad said: https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-2018-bills-19-browns-17 Interesting that PFF has little to say about Josh Allen's progress. I normally have a lot of confidence with their analytics and when they came out strongly against Josh Allen, I was really discouraged. If they end up being wrong on this, it may be one of their bigger misses using their advanced stats. It seems to me that they're already being a little stuborn about Josh's early success. It is very early, still, but I would have expected them to say something about him. Could Josh possibly ding their credibility? Pretty much it. 90% of the so called experts would be wrong on Josh and you can't have that. Let em doubt as it seems to help propel him. All that matters is what our coaches and players think. Here is a decent article from NFL.com on what our D thinks. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000949014/article/bills-defenders-praise-qb-allen-josh-is-impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Let’s have Josh play a few regular season games before declaring anyone right or wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 This is like draft grades - they need to hold the same position in order to look good. They will hold their narrative and hope they are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 The bills are very often overlooked or ignored. Why would anyone be surprised? Their games are rarely nationally televised and get the lower class announcing team. How many sports writers etc actually watch most bills games outside of WNY? But who cares? "If you brag about her too much it might give others ideas" ha. I will say though, their job involves statistics and the statistics do say that the safe bet is to bet against Josh as buffalo has seen many, many QBs come and go since {{Kelly}} and but one feckless wildcard game with a QB we did not even want. I believe in JA from what I saw these past two weeks and reminded my 10yo son, who was at the game with me the first game, that he saw JA's very first time on an NFL field and to remember that if he becomes a great. But I'm a fanboy of 45 years is all - I would not expect the same from the national media, etc. Let's enjoy under the radar and let JA develope without all the pressure that a Baker is going to have to endure - and god help darnold in NYC-NJ if he stumbles as there is no beneath the radar for him there. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 If he fsucceeds it makes national media lose credibility if they said he sucks i think bills gave up to much to trade up for him. If he doesn’t succeed it’s a big black mark on beane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 9 hours ago, LeGOATski said: It's a little crazy to think that the Bills' coaching staff has miraculously fixed all of Allen's shortcomings over the course of one TC. Regardless, they'll get the credit if Allen turns into a franchise QB. I'm good with whatever they decide. Historically, guys like Peterman and McCarron don't keep a 7th overall pick on the bench. Only established vets do. Allen fixed a lot before the draft working with Jordan Palmer as well. I'm sure the Bills saw his improved mechanics and that weighed into their decision to draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 The Browns announcers raved about every Browns player, to the point it became a joke. They had very little to say about Bills players, but they really liked Allen. That, in itself, says a lot about the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 5 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said: He did a head first slide. I believe that is protected and marked essentials the same as a feet first slide this year. And the refs marked the spot wrong but I'm not gonna complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, The Wiz said: And the refs marked the spot wrong but I'm not gonna complain. That's because of the new rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly101 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) The whacked out media is extremely left, IMHO they want to persecute the bills for trading tt. Some proof, see the sudden drooling love for a team that won 1 game in 2-3 seasons. Edited August 19, 2018 by Kelly101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly101 said: The whacked out media is extremely left, IMHO they want to persecute the bills for trading tt. Do you eat Cocoa Puffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly101 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Do you eat Cocoa Puffs? bet you want to give me the alex jones treatment huh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly101 said: bet you want to give me the alex jones treatment huh No. Please keep posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That's because of the new rule. I mean he marked it where Allen landed and not where he initiated the dive/slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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