Teddy KGB Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Cot climbing deeeeeeeep out of the Bortles hole looking for one last chance to anoint Tygod again I’ll buy TT Browns jerseys for all of you when they cost 7.99 next year 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Cot climbing deeeeeeeep out of the Bortles hole looking for one last chance to anoint Tygod again I’ll buy TT Browns jerseys for all of you when they cost 7.99 next year I'm in! Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: I give Jarvis three weeks and then he starts jumping up and down in the middle of the field, waving his arms, screaming “I’m open! I’m open!” He should be able to be heard and seen. When you average 8.8 yards per catch you're never too far from the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 59 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I'll say this again..... The Bills were 7th in scoring with that lineup. So everyone who keeps bringing up that receiver lineup is only confirming that Taylor was better with better receivers. I think any QB is better with better receivers. The 7th in scoring stat is one of many that Taylor was part of that was deceiving. If those points were scored when the Bills really needed them, i.e. - in clutch situations - then I'd give him the same amount of credit that you are. You and I have always had differing (respectfully) opinions on Tyrod and I don't think that's gonna change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Jarvis, in mini camp in shorts and tee shirts, Tyrod really put you in a stage of amazement? IMO, you say these types of things for a rookie or someone who is coming off of a major injury....not a veteran who should look good at this stage in th spring/summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Just wait until Baker gets on the field in preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 One thing I've heard out of Browns media reports is that Tyrod has been trusting Josh Gordon, and throws him the ball even when he's covered. IF that carries over to the regular season the Browns will have a very good offense this year. Potentially top 10 in scoring although that will also depend on their run game which is hard to predict right now. The other thing I've heard is that they are using Tyrod's mobility in their offense which Dennison somehow never figured out. If I had to bet on it I'd say their scoring offense will rank between 15th and 10th. And ours will rank between 23rd to 18th. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: I'll say this again..... The Bills were 7th in scoring with that lineup. So everyone who keeps bringing up that receiver lineup is only confirming that Taylor was better with better receivers. What year were we 7th in scoring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Tyrod is the best QB Landry has played with in the NFL. But that's not saying much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bangarang said: What year were we 7th in scoring? As of 12/31/2016 (one day before the EJ Manuel/Cardale Jones game) the Bills offense was tied for 6th in TDs scored. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/offensive-touchdowns-per-game?date=2016-12-31 Obviously that isn't all on Tyrod. Our rushing was incredible that year, and Anthony Lynn designed a really good offense. But it proves that Tyrod is capable of leading a top 10 scoring offense when he has a good support system. Which very well may be the case in Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, greenyellowred said: Sorry if this has been posted. I searched, but didn't find anything: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000939539/article/jarvis-landry-tyrod-taylor-has-looked-amazing Excerpt from article: "Wide receiver Jarvis Landry took his turn Thursday on The Rich Eisen Show when asked how Taylor looked during the offseason. "Amazing," Landry told Eisen. "Amazing, man. His leadership, his arm, his accuracy and he's ready, man. He's the starting quarterback, and I'm sure that, obviously, the decision is up to [head coach] Hue [Jackson] and the offensive staff, and stuff like that. But I'm sure they've been highly impressed with [what] he's done through OTAs and minicamp."" Until he starts playing against defenses that gameplay for him... Edited July 7, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: I'll say this again..... The Bills were 7th in scoring with that lineup. So everyone who keeps bringing up that receiver lineup is only confirming that Taylor was better with better receivers. Due to the freaking run game. Go look at how many TD's Tyrod threw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 18 minutes ago, HappyDays said: As of 12/31/2016 (one day before the EJ Manuel/Cardale Jones game) the Bills offense was tied for 6th in TDs scored. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/offensive-touchdowns-per-game?date=2016-12-31 Obviously that isn't all on Tyrod. Our rushing was incredible that year, and Anthony Lynn designed a really good offense. But it proves that Tyrod is capable of leading a top 10 scoring offense when he has a good support system. Which very well may be the case in Cleveland. I looked it up and remembered this was the year but was too lazy to edit my post. Tyrod has all the weapons he could ever hope for in Cleveland. No excuses for him at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Gugny said: I think any QB is better with better receivers. The 7th in scoring stat is one of many that Taylor was part of that was deceiving. If those points were scored when the Bills really needed them, i.e. - in clutch situations - then I'd give him the same amount of credit that you are. You and I have always had differing (respectfully) opinions on Tyrod and I don't think that's gonna change. Well I'm not opening that debate again. Let's just wait and see how Taylor does in Cleveland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Let's see what Tyrod looks like without McCoy. Hyde is good and all but no Shady. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 21 minutes ago, MJS said: Due to the freaking run game. Go look at how many TD's Tyrod threw. In 2016 Tyrod had 23 total TDs. The RBs combined had 23 rushing TDs. He also had 3,603 total yards, and the RBs combined had 2,050 rushing yards. So Tyrod accounted for 63.7% of our total yards and 50% of our TDs in 2016. I'm sure that's a lower percentage than most QBs in the NFL, but to say our high scoring offense was mainly a product of our rushing game is disingenuous at best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 51 minutes ago, Bangarang said: What year were we 7th in scoring? 2016. Up until the final Jets game, where EJ and Cardale played. The Bills fell to 10th. We were 7th going into that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 23 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Let's see what Tyrod looks like without McCoy. Hyde is good and all but no Shady. If Nick Chubb is as good as advertised and they use Tyrod's mobility to scare defenses, their rush offense should be very good. Very unlikely it's as good as ours was in 2016 though, so to have a top 10 scoring offense Tyrod will have to play better than he ever has. There are a lot of wildcards in the Browns offense this year. Will Haley design a winning offense in his first year there? Will Chubb be as explosive as he was before his knee injury? Will Gordon keep his head on straight for a full year? Can their O-line hold up? Can Tyrod bounce back after the worst season of his career? It's almost an entirely different offense from last year so it's hard to predict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: If Nick Chubb is as good as advertised and they use Tyrod's mobility to scare defenses, their rush offense should be very good. Very unlikely it's as good as ours was in 2016 though, so to have a top 10 scoring offense Tyrod will have to play better than he ever has. There are a lot of wildcards in the Browns offense this year. Will Haley design a winning offense in his first year there? Will Chubb be as explosive as he was before his knee injury? Will Gordon keep his head on straight for a full year? Can their O-line hold up? Can Tyrod bounce back after the worst season of his career? It's almost an entirely different offense from last year so it's hard to predict. good post. didn't they build the secondary up as well ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Just wait until teams make him be a QB like the Saints and Jags did last year. Mayfield will be in week 2 after Hue the Clown is fired after week 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, HappyDays said: In 2016 Tyrod had 23 total TDs. The RBs combined had 23 rushing TDs. He also had 3,603 total yards, and the RBs combined had 2,050 rushing yards. So Tyrod accounted for 63.7% of our total yards and 50% of our TDs in 2016. I'm sure that's a lower percentage than most QBs in the NFL, but to say our high scoring offense was mainly a product of our rushing game is disingenuous at best. No. That's exactly what it means. Tyrod accounted for less points, even when you throw in his rushing TD's. That still made him a bottom 15 QB in point scoring (without giving all other QB's their rushing TD's). The rushing offense was the only reason the team was top 10 in scoring. Edited July 7, 2018 by MJS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Landry hasent exactly had fantastic qbs throwing to him the last few seasons. Tyrod probably does look awesome to him. Also, Landry is gonna be tyrods #1 reciever. Having said that, Tyrod had 3 seasons here to show us he was a franchise qb. He averaged about 185 yards per game in all 3 seasons. That's putrid. I don't care if he throws for 6000 yards this season, the bills were right to trade him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 12 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Tyrod really grounded Robert Woods into mush in 2016 when Woods played in 13 games and caught 76 receptions for 613 yards, compared to 2017 when he was healthy for 17 full games and caught 85 receptions for 781 yards. In 3 more games he caught 9 more receptions and 168 more yards not exactly a lot more production for 3 more games played (A slight uptick at best.) The only thing that went dramatically up were TD's. If Woods was ruined by Tyrod in 2016 how did Woods get a massive contract from LA? The supporting cast for Tyrod skill position wise in 2016 was compromised by Sammy missing half the season and coming back from injury. Losing your #1 receiver hurts big time as it trickles down to the rest of the offense and it didn't help that Woods got hurt late in the year missing 3 games. Sammy was on IR with a serious foot injury in 2016 and only played 8 total games where he still put up 28 receptions for 430 yards compared to the 15 games he played in 2017 where he only put up 39 receptions for 593 yards, the only thing that dramatically went up were TD's. The only 2016 receiver you could truly saw flourished without Tyrod was Goodwin. But even Goodwin was a bit banged up in 2016 but he certainly crushed it in SF in 2017. I am not saying that Tyrod didn't have any receivers in 2016 but losing Sammy and some of the other players being banged up didn't make for a top-flight core. In 2017 they lost a lot of talent due to injury (Matthews and Benjamin) and Zay Jones was not as effective as a 2nd round pick should have been. I guess my point was that factoring in Sammy's injury I would say that the skill position corps was slightly below average in 2016 and dreadful in 2017. I am OK with the team moving on from Tyrod (Although I think short term we will miss him) but I just think there has to be an honest assessment of his time here. TDs win games. Not yards or receptions. We will not miss tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Well he is amazing, so... why wouldn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, McBean said: Just wait until teams make him be a QB like the Saints and Jags did last year. Mayfield will be in week 2 after Hue the Clown is fired after week 1. When the best defense for your QB is to keep him in the pocket and be a QB, you know you have problems. I don't consider myself a Tyrod basher, but he just wasn't good enough. He was a good bridge QB and he made some awesome plays occasionally, and I love how he took care of the football. Just not good enough as a passer. Edited July 7, 2018 by MJS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HappyDays Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, MJS said: No. That's exactly what it means. Tyrod accounted for less points, even when you throw in his rushing TD's. That still made him a bottom 15 QB in point scoring (without giving all other QB's their rushing TD's). The rushing offense was the only reason the team was top 10 in scoring. The rushing offense scored most of their TDs in the red zone. 15 of their 23 TDs came inside the 10, and 18 came inside the 20. Going back to my earlier post Tyrod accounted for 63.7% of our total yards which is what got us to the red zone so often. And Tyrod was efficient in the red zone when they had him pass - we were 8th in red zone passer rating in 2016. The other reason we were so good in the red zone was we had a deadly QB read option. I don't have any stats on that, I just remember it being very difficult to defend. For some reason Dennison all but abandoned that play last year which was his most baffling decision in a year of baffling decisions. Our offense was good in 2016 for multiple reasons, one of which was Tyrod performing pretty well in an offense designed for his skill set (albeit not consistently enough). You can pretend he wasn't a major part of our success that year but the data doesn't back that up at all. No one is saying he's elite but he has shown he can lead a top 10 scoring offense if he has a good OC and a solid supporting cast. Whether he replicates that success this year is still just anyone's guess but it is definitely possible. Edited July 7, 2018 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 18 hours ago, Rubes said: I wish Tyrod the best, I really do. If he somehow lights it up and leads them deep into the playoffs, that's awesome for him. And I wouldn't hold it against the Bills brass for dealing him away, as most of us here wouldn't. I just think TT reached his ceiling here in Buffalo. Could his ceiling be higher elsewhere? Sure, it's possible. Just not likely. His "low" ceiling was the problem. If he were 5-6" taller, that would have made a big difference. It's nice that he looks good in camp but; in real games, with real pressure? We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, HappyDays said: The rushing offense scored most of their TDs in the red zone. 15 of their 23 TDs came inside the 10, and 18 came inside the 20. Going back to my earlier post Tyrod accounted for 63.7% of our total yards which is what got us to the red zone so often. And Tyrod was efficient in the red zone when they had him pass - we were 8th in red zone passer rating in 2016. The other reason we were so good in the red zone was we had a deadly QB read option. I don't have any stats on that, I just remember it being very difficult to defend. For some reason Dennison all but abandoned that play last year which was his most baffling decision in a year of baffling decisions. Our offense was good in 2016 for multiple reasons, one of which was Tyrod performing pretty well in an offense designed for his skill set (albeit not consistently enough). You can pretend he wasn't a major part of our success that year but the data doesn't back that up at all. No one is saying he's elite but he has shown he can lead a top 10 scoring offense if he has a good OC and a solid supporting cast. Whether he replicates that success this year is still just anyone's guess but it is definitely possible. I'm not pretending anything. Tyrod does less for the success of his team than do most QB's in the league. The data absolutely backs that up. QB's get paid the big bucks for a reason. They are supposed to carry the team. Tyrod REQUIRES a good run game. He REQUIRES an elite defense. If he has those things he can get it done, but if he is missing one of those, he is as ineffective a QB as there is in the league. He was good for Buffalo. He was the best QB we have had in a long time. I do not regret having him as our QB. I would have even kept him for another year to Bridge to Allen. He is a perfect Bridge QB and will always have a job. But his ability to pass is not the reason. He has a job because he is a good teammate, he doesn't turn over the ball, and he can make dynamic plays with his legs. As a PASSER, he is sub-par. And the data does indeed support that, with the two most basic and fundamental stats for a QB: Passing TD's and Passing Yards. Edited July 7, 2018 by MJS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Jarvis is trying to kiss up so he’ll maybe see the ball more, but Tyrod says Jarvis is still a dirty cheap shot artist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 1 hour ago, McBean said: Just wait until teams make him be a QB like the Saints and Jags did last year. Mayfield will be in week 2 after Hue the Clown is fired after week 1. But now he has targets that can catch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 2 hours ago, HappyDays said: As of 12/31/2016 (one day before the EJ Manuel/Cardale Jones game) the Bills offense was tied for 6th in TDs scored. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/offensive-touchdowns-per-game?date=2016-12-31 Obviously that isn't all on Tyrod. Our rushing was incredible that year, and Anthony Lynn designed a really good offense. But it proves that Tyrod is capable of leading a top 10 scoring offense when he has a good support system. Which very well may be the case in Cleveland. Unfair comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 As the punch and pie bringing member of the Tyrod Taylor fan club....I gotta ask. Why are we still talking about him? He is GONE.....his pick used to aquire Josh Allen (I think) and the bills have now moved on. Good luck to Tyrod.....he is no longer on our team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: As the punch and pie bringing member of the Tyrod Taylor fan club....I gotta ask. Why are we still talking about him? He is GONE.....his pick used to aquire Josh Allen (I think) and the bills have now moved on. Good luck to Tyrod.....he is no longer on our team. Are you SURE? I keep reading a LOT about him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 18 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: But now he has targets that can catch. Does that even matter if the targets aren't thrown at in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: As the punch and pie bringing member of the Tyrod Taylor fan club....I gotta ask. Why are we still talking about him? He is GONE.....his pick used to aquire Josh Allen (I think) and the bills have now moved on. Good luck to Tyrod.....he is no longer on our team. ....and astonishingly a 3rd no less.....wonder if we EVER get to the point admitting the "greenest grass at The Hat" was DOWNFIELD because it was NEVER used......sure as hell wanted this kid to succeed but WR's had a better shot seeing launched t-shirts from the stands versus the pigskin....make 'em better Hugh............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 19 hours ago, greenyellowred said: Sorry if this has been posted. I searched, but didn't find anything: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000939539/article/jarvis-landry-tyrod-taylor-has-looked-amazing Excerpt from article: "Wide receiver Jarvis Landry took his turn Thursday on The Rich Eisen Show when asked how Taylor looked during the offseason. "Amazing," Landry told Eisen. "Amazing, man. His leadership, his arm, his accuracy and he's ready, man. He's the starting quarterback, and I'm sure that, obviously, the decision is up to [head coach] Hue [Jackson] and the offensive staff, and stuff like that. But I'm sure they've been highly impressed with [what] he's done through OTAs and minicamp."" Didn't realize Landry went that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 1 minute ago, formerlyofCtown said: Didn't realize Landry went that way. ...if TT is in "Hugh's Penthouse", is it worth going against the grain as a Brown newbee?.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: But now he has targets that can catch. This is what’s wrong with you millennials All excuses, all fake news, no accountability. Edited July 7, 2018 by Teddy KGB 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...if TT is in "Hugh's Penthouse", is it worth going against the grain as a Brown newbee?.............. Maybe that is how he got that extension Contract rather he as on the Tag IIRC Edited July 7, 2018 by formerlyofCtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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