eball Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: I’m a bit late to this party, but isn’t this what folks were saying last offseason? I don't think so. He was coming into his second season after having been injured most of his first. I don't recall any "Shaq better shape up or he's out" stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) I would be shocked if he wasn't on the roster week 1. Murphy hasn't played a game in a long time, and who knows if he will play well or be durable. Shaq knows the defense and he wasn't terrible. He also is on rookie contract. I think they are putting him on notice to light a fire in him. Edited June 20, 2018 by Turk71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) He is in the last chance saloon and I think he knows it, so I would keep him around this year and see if he can bring something... Edited June 20, 2018 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Maybe the kid is FINALLY healthy this year. This is only his third year. Give him a chance to prove himself this year as he is healthy. There is no reason to get rid of a third year DE that is on year 3 of his 5 year rookie deal. Non story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 5 hours ago, Soda Popinski said: I thought you liked Chris Kelsey I thought he was talking about Art Still. nevermind, I’m old.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, njbuff said: Maybe the kid is FINALLY healthy this year. This is only his third year. Give him a chance to prove himself this year as he is healthy. There is no reason to get rid of a third year DE that is on year 3 of his 5 year rookie deal. Non story. Beane’s comments the other day lead me to believe it is a story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Just now, Chandler#81 said: I thought he was talking about Art Still. nevermind, I’m old.. haha i remember him too. Barely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Just now, Commonsense said: Beane’s comments the other day lead me to believe it is a story. It's a story when it becomes one. TC hasn't even started yet. We will see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 This is crazy. He is not going anywhere unless its a trade for a key player. His dead money is twice the cap hit!!!! Think about it.... He was tied for most sacks missing 6 games too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, njbuff said: It's a story when it becomes one. TC hasn't even started yet. We will see what happens. I just took it as a GM questioning the player’s commitment and from what we have seen Beane has a zero tolerance policy for guys who raise those concerns. We shall see. Edited June 20, 2018 by Commonsense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 38 minutes ago, artmalibu said: This is crazy. He is not going anywhere unless its a trade for a key player. His dead money is twice the cap hit!!!! Think about it.... He was tied for most sacks missing 6 games too Good point. Costs too much to unloads him in an already difficult cap year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 6 hours ago, Soda Popinski said: I thought you liked Chris Kelsey I like him as much as I liked Azbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I dont think we should be done with him yet. Having said that.....extremely concerned with the "ok Im going to take this year serious" thing Just because your a 1st round pick does not mean you should not have been serious from the start......even more so for a counted on 1st round pick. Still think his play in the run game is more then average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 When Free agency nears players grow BIG MUSCLES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Shaq still sucks. Don't we have to decide on his option this year? Is there any chance we bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 They didn’t draft him. They obviously have to cut him. im not the biggest Lawson fan but who is the better player they are going to replace him with? He’s pretty cheap. Let’s not make another stupid Ragland trade just because you need to burn down everything you inherited. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Commonsense said: Beane’s comments the other day lead me to believe it is a story. yes. he has been called upon to show why he deserved to be such a highly rated draft pick. not just by Buffalo either. Beane and Co have done a fair job on giving him notice. Washington should feel the same pressure from this Organization. that being said. he should be part of a decent rotation on the early downs . Lets hope he fixes that post snap lag thing. is he counting Mississippi's or what is that all about ? 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I dont think we should be done with him yet. Having said that.....extremely concerned with the "ok Im going to take this year serious" thing Just because your a 1st round pick does not mean you should not have been serious from the start......even more so for a counted on 1st round pick. Still think his play in the run game is more then average. He was bottle as a rook, fed by Rex. deserves free counseling and another chance. especially at this price point. make or break year ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 8 hours ago, dave mcbride said: That and a dollar will get a DE a cup of coffee in today's NFL. If you can't effectively rush the passer from the DE position, you are basically worthless - a low-end rotational guy who bounces from team to team over 6-7 year career. Yup. He is in danger of reaching his Courtney Upshaw-esque floor. I think the stages of drafters-remorse on Shaq are interesting to watch though...........wasn't that long ago we had people trying to sell the idea that they drafted Shaq in the middle of round one for his run defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Scouts felt Lawson would be more of an edge-setter than a pass rusher in the NFL. Given that projection, he was drafted too high (probably because of where he went to school). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: I’m a bit late to this party, but isn’t this what folks were saying last offseason? I'm talking about fans such as yourself, though not saying yourself said so last year. Unfortunately an archive isn't available, but he was on many folks cut list last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW95 - JA17 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: Not worth the time... Exactly, Deep down inside you know Hughes is a douche who takes stupid penalties and watched his player get elbowed in the head and did nothing. And don't you guys ever see that the Refs never call a hold against him? He is blacklisted by the refs. Remember when he got a penalty for tapping his own players helmet after a sack on Brady ( or stopping a 4rth down run ). He's not a bad player, but he's not what you what for the money he's getting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 35 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yup. He is in danger of reaching his Courtney Upshaw-esque floor. I think the stages of drafters-remorse on Shaq are interesting to watch though...........wasn't that long ago we had people trying to sell the idea that they drafted Shaq in the middle of round one for his run defense. We talked about it pre draft, and I distinctly remember saying that he was an Adrian Clayborn type with Terrell Suggs measurables, whereas you were full-go on Courtney Upshaw. At this point, I'd take Clayborn production from him and call it found money. 8 minutes ago, KW95 said: Exactly, Deep down inside you know Hughes is a douche who takes stupid penalties and watched his player get elbowed in the head and did nothing. I responded further up the thread if you want to discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 I bet if he was a 2nd round draft pick he would be a hero around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: I thought he was talking about Art Still. nevermind, I’m old.. Art still what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, KW95 said: Exactly, Deep down inside you know Hughes is a douche who takes stupid penalties and watched his player get elbowed in the head and did nothing. And don't you guys ever see that the Refs never call a hold against him? He is blacklisted by the refs. Remember when he got a penalty for tapping his own players helmet after a sack on Brady ( or stopping a 4rth down run ). He's not a bad player, but he's not what you what for the money he's getting Still not worth the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: We talked about it pre draft, and I distinctly remember saying that he was an Adrian Clayborn type with Terrell Suggs measurables, whereas you were full-go on Courtney Upshaw. At this point, I'd take Clayborn production from him and call it found money. Seems like every draft there is that player or two that are like pre-arranged marriage first-rounders. Someone is going to draft them in round one...... and you just hope it's not your team that gets that loveless assignment. Shaq was that dude in 2016........his production and pedigree got him drafted despite what should have been worrisome tape. My ceiling on Shaq was Melvin Ingram..........bad production until near the end of his rookie deal then a breakout year just in time to have to overpay $16M per year for a guy who is always going to be a full head less than elite. The floor was Upshaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 11 hours ago, dave mcbride said: That and a dollar will get a DE a cup of coffee in today's NFL. If you can't effectively rush the passer from the DE position, you are basically worthless - a low-end rotational guy who bounces from team to team over 6-7 year career. I know BADOL said this earlier, but Shaq's explosion off the snap is really poor and even in college it wasn't all that great. McD's defense needs to generate a pass rush from the front 4 and he can't have one DE who's not a threat to get to the QB. Shaq may be healthy and buying in to keep his career going, but it's not going to make his a quick twitch type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 5 hours ago, Soda Popinski said: haha i remember him too. Barely. art still was a big bad dude. shaq is going to be a very important piece this year.....i believe. keep him for one more year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: They didn’t draft him. They obviously have to cut him. im not the biggest Lawson fan but who is the better player they are going to replace him with? He’s pretty cheap. Let’s not make another stupid Ragland trade just because you need to burn down everything you inherited. I cant be that upset about the Ragland trade.....he absolutely does not fit what we are trying to do and it led us (indirectly) to the drafting of Edmunds who looks like a total scheme fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Day one starter... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Day one starter... You think Lawson starts over Murphy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Shaq is now healthy , in great condition and motivated. My bet is he makes the starting rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 38 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: You think Lawson starts over Murphy? No--old joke. Famously weak draftnik Doug Whaley famously claimed that he drafted "at least three" "day 1 starters" in the 2016 draft. The best whopper he told was that "Shaq Lawson is going to walk in off the bus starting", when he knew that Lawson had a shoulder injury that would need pre season surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 27 minutes ago, ALF said: Shaq is now healthy , in great condition and motivated. My bet is he makes the starting rotation. They paid Murphy too much money. My thing with Murph and Shaq is that I don't really see Murph as more talented and I don't think he will generate more than 9 sacks if he gives us that. If they like Odigi then Shaq is going to be trade bait for a WR or OL most likely. I'm not a fan of it but it's just what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: No--old joke. Famously weak draftnik Doug Whaley famously claimed that he drafted "at least three" "day 1 starters" in the 2016 draft. The best whopper he told was that "Shaq Lawson is going to walk in off the bus starting", when he knew that Lawson had a shoulder injury that would need pre season surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: No--old joke. Famously weak draftnik Doug Whaley famously claimed that he drafted "at least three" "day 1 starters" in the 2016 draft. The best whopper he told was that "Shaq Lawson is going to walk in off the bus starting", when he knew that Lawson had a shoulder injury that would need pre season surgery. That's not what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 55 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That's not what happened. yeah it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: yeah it is. It isn't. The thought was that he could play through the injury just as he did at Clemson with a surgery after the 2016 season. You are simply incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It isn't. The thought was that he could play through the injury just as he did at Clemson with a surgery after the 2016 season. You are simply incorrect. Maybe you thought that. Whaley didn't. He knew that (as was being reported at the time) 6 or more teams would pass on Lawson due to his well known shoulder injury which would require surgery not after an NFL season. Then Whaley created this laughable set up: "If something happens, it's going to happen. It's nothing that we're really worried about or we wouldn't take him. We have complete faith in our medical staff and they signed off on him, so we're excited to have him." Then...oooops!--during a "conditioning program" immediately after the draft, "something happened"! What happened during a routine day in the gym, you ask?... ....an "occurrence of the condition" (gotta love that line). And presto, oh my God, Shaq will not be able to play through the season after all. Shocking!! It's like all those teams that passed on him because of his well known surgically treatable shoulder injury somehow KNEW he would have surgery right after the draft----and therefore chose not to draft huim... Crazy coincidence you would say, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 I think signing Murphy was great because now they can play a rotation that takes the pressure off Shaq a bit....and maybe that actually moves him forward in the right direction. There is going to be a healthy rotation of all these DL players...that is one of the big concepts of McD's D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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