Shaq Lawson on roster bubble

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

What do his LB's do? Not much from last year.

Is this a joke?

 

Educate yourself......the linebackers cover, scrape, and make tackles....they have to be unblocked in order to do that hence Star.

 

Edmunds is a huge physical freak cover linebacker who has great range......he is our Kuch.

[Bing Bong]

25 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Is this a joke?

 

Educate yourself......the linebackers cover, scrape, and make tackles....they have to be unblocked in order to do that hence Star.

 

Edmunds is a huge physical freak cover linebacker who has great range......he is our Kuch.

well Ramon Humber didn't do that and they had a bad DLine to boot. I'd have rather had Ragland than Humber. You do realize that has does not prevent us from drafting Edmunds.

 

Cool, I see what McD wants to do NEXT year. Listen to what I'm saying.. why did we trade away Ragland last year when our linebackers weren't that good? What did McDermott's linebackers do last year?? He wasn't in Carolina lol. McDermott's brilliant I just wish he had adapted to our run defense. You're acting like it's fine to say "well these guys can't play the way I want to play! Screw it, let's just scrap em all. I can't use this front 7 this year because I need linebackers to cover scrape and make tackles and they need to be unblocked."

 

I love me some Edmunds, but what happens IF things don't go as planned and he's not playing well? "Eh McD gets another pass because he hasn't found Kuechly yet." 31 other teams haven't found Kuechly yet.

Edited June 28, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

well Ramon Humber didn't do that and they had a bad DLine to boot. I'd have rather had Ragland than Humber. You do realize that has does not prevent us from drafting Edmunds.

 

Cool, I see what McD wants to do NEXT year. Listen to what I'm saying.. why did we trade away Ragland last year when our linebackers weren't that good? What did McDermott's linebackers do last year?? He wasn't in Carolina lol. McDermott's brilliant I just wish he had adapted to our run defense. You're acting like it's fine to say "well these guys can't play the way I want to play! Screw it, let's just scrap em all. I can't use this front 7 this year because I need linebackers to cover scrape and make tackles and they need to be blocked."

 

I love me some Edmunds, but what happens IF things don't go as planned and he's not playing well? "Eh McD gets another pass because he hasn't found Kuechly yet." 31 other teams haven't found Kuechly yet.

Humber.....even though a backup simply fits this defense better then Ragland did.

 

By the way....in Rex defense I was a fan of Ragland.....because his D would have used him correctly.   It is also why we got by with Preston Brown even though his side line to side line was sorely lacking.

 

All you really have to do is go back and watch some Panther's D while McD was with them and you will see what he is looking for......athletic guys that can cover and get anywhere on the field provided they dont have a OL on them.

[Bing Bong]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Humber.....even though a backup simply fits this defense better then Ragland did.

 

By the way....in Rex defense I was a fan of Ragland.....because his D would have used him correctly.   It is also why we got by with Preston Brown even though his side line to side line was sorely lacking.

 

All you really have to do is go back and watch some Panther's D while McD was with them and you will see what he is looking for......athletic guys that can cover and get anywhere on the field provided they dont have a OL on them.

It's hard to just force that. I think teams evolve naturally by drafting BPA, finding a unit's strength, and a coordinator that fits the bill. Maybe it's the Rex effect, but I'm tired of the front 7 just being whacked the last few years. Mimicking a team hurts if you're trying way too hard. Ray Lewis or Edmunds? Kuechly or Ragland? Rex would get Ray and Rags, McD would get Edmunds and Kuechly, and they'd both be wrong.

 

That zone defense is something else, I don't know my X's and O's but the front 7 really didn't have much contribution to that. If you would have liked Ragland in a Rex defense maybe they'd have been better off transitioning slowly. We've never seen Ragland play for the Bills lol yet you just know.. he'd have sucked?

 

What if in an alternate universe McD lands on a team with small, slow Ray Lewis and is like "nah I need em all fast and big gimme some crappy free agents that sorta look like the ones I used to have." Bad coordinating.

 

Whatever, we got Edmunds, I think he's a beast, go bills!

 

Just complaining about 2017. trading a 1st round graded guy from a position group that really sucked in hindsight. Not much reason to release him. Could have Ragland and Edmunds now. You think Ragland would have sucked with 100% certainty. I think he had a good year with another DC and could of had a good year here if we aren't brainfarting about changing schemes day 1 at the job.

[3rdand12]

On 6/27/2018 at 4:26 AM, JerseyBills said:

All pro/best lb in the nfl upside , steal of the draft imo. If he pans out , him and Tre in back to back drafts is pretty amazing.

It will be fun to watch both Tremaine and Roquan develop over next couple years. Part and parcel of what makes following football fun for some of us. 

  See how the high draft picks pan out. Especially playing the same position.

 

 I think Bills got the one they wanted. If not ? certainly prepared and delighted . I am stoked for sure
 

White and Edmunds might be the Foundation of the Bills new legacy.
and yes i am serious : )

 Lets go Buffalo !

8 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

It depends on the upside of the talent for me.....if Shaq were to be this immense pass rushing talent that we had to wait a year for Im still ok with a first round selection.

 

My fear when I hear him talk is motivation.....does he really need to be in year 3 to "get it"

 

John H.

Dear John

 I am disappointed in you.

  would never trust Bills Team Doctors ina million and one years to be able to diagnose a draft pick for long term health.

 Not ever.

 worst in he league by far ....?...

8 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He was a day one starter "coming off the bus'......that's not immediate enough for you?!

we were sold a bill of goods.
 well more than one.

 Even Mr and Mrs Pegula allowed the hiring of Rob Ryan.
we all make mistakes.
 Lawson might be another one of them
 

8 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

He does seem to have gotten the message and is reported to have shed some significant weight.  Let's hope that he stays in shape and doesn't back-slide and also that the reduced weight improves his quickness.  I think I remember an interview with the Clemson coach when Lawson was drafted.  In that interview, he pretty much said that Lawson wasn't a big fan of working in the gym.  Hopefully, that has changed.

he has no quick twitch. he has good recognition and plays disciplined IMO.

 but he is no pass rusher. maybe a 3-4 DE ha ha ha.
hope they Coach him up into a tradeable player

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Humber.....even though a backup simply fits this defense better then Ragland did.

 

By the way....in Rex defense I was a fan of Ragland.....because his D would have used him correctly.   It is also why we got by with Preston Brown even though his side line to side line was sorely lacking.

 

All you really have to do is go back and watch some Panther's D while McD was with them and you will see what he is looking for......athletic guys that can cover and get anywhere on the field provided they dont have a OL on them.

We did not have them.

I think part of the point is, we had nothing better.

 

Perhaps McD is correct in His Method of Defense.
But he had some skills sets to work with. he should have played a hybrid 3-4 heavy downs one and 2 and used safeties as a package. He had the players including Dareus.
We can see he is building his Defense, and that might well be the Cats Pajamas. But maybe he should have worked with what he had for a season. actually thats my opinion i just put forth

[John from Riverside]

28 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

We did not have them.

I think part of the point is, we had nothing better.

 

Perhaps McD is correct in His Method of Defense.
But he had some skills sets to work with. he should have played a hybrid 3-4 heavy downs one and 2 and used safeties as a package. He had the players including Dareus.
We can see he is building his Defense, and that might well be the Cats Pajamas. But maybe he should have worked with what he had for a season. actually thats my opinion i just put forth

Defensive guys go with the d they know

 

[3rdand12]

15 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Defensive guys go with the d they know

 

seems so. From Pettine to Jim Schwartz to McD. Heck maybe even Herm Edwards. 

 

 

 for sure Dave Wannstadt

[Augie]

If he can get off the line within two Mississippi’s it will improve his chances of success. That sounds pretty easy.... WAKE UP!!!

[3rdand12]

10 minutes ago, Augie said:

If he can get off the line within two Mississippi’s it will improve his chances of success. That sounds pretty easy.... WAKE UP!!!

 

10 minutes ago, Augie said:

If he can get off the line within two Mississippi’s it will improve his chances of success. That sounds pretty easy.... WAKE UP!!!

you really think its a sleepy thing ? Maybe its a dopey thing ?

cheering for the Kid just the same

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

 

you really think its a sleepy thing ? Maybe its a dopey thing ?

cheering for the Kid just the same

 

There was actual talk that at Clempsun he was told to hold up and see what was happening. Take your time, see how things are going before rushing into any....you know....playing of the game of football. I don’t know if that was excuses, or crazy talk, or some combination of both. 

 

OR......It could be a Mr Bean thing....he just nods off. Who knows? 

[BigDingus]

On ‎6‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 9:37 AM, Shaw66 said:

I always say you're better off to keep talent too long than to let it go too soon.

 

However, McB aren't about talent, at least not first.   As you note, they're about effort and commitment first, and if you don't show it and show it quickly, they don't waste time on you.   Every single holdover from the last regime should have gotten that message when first Watkins and then Dareus left town.   The message - we don't care how talented you are, we care about your effort and your commitment to what we're doing.  

 

Man, that sounds so much like Dick Jauron it's crazy... He was all about those "character" guys.  Denny, Coy Wire, Chris Kelsay, Ko Simpson, Josh Reed... those guys were supposed to be the foundation, high-motor good guys. But we saw, talent beat character time & time again. You can definitely have both, but just dropping everyone who has an ego also causes problems.

[Boca BIlls]

13 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

Man, that sounds so much like Dick Jauron it's crazy... He was all about those "character" guys.  Denny, Coy Wire, Chris Kelsay, Ko Simpson, Josh Reed... those guys were supposed to be the foundation, high-motor good guys. But we saw, talent beat character time & time again. You can definitely have both, but just dropping everyone who has an ego also causes problems.

Don't worry McB is about talent just as much as character.  He doesn't put one in front of the other b.c that would mean failure. So if a guy has a character problem he won't just look away unless the talent doesn't equal up to or surpass that problem.

Edited June 29, 2018 by Boca BIlls

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

seems so. From Pettine to Jim Schwartz to McD. Heck maybe even Herm Edwards. 

 

 

 for sure Dave Wannstadt

 

Rex

[Bing Bong]

11 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Defensive guys go with the d they know

 

Wade Phillips specifically said he adjusts his d to his personnel.

[Bing Bong]

 

But we are crying over our spilled milk. Somehow defense was our strength last year in the most unlikely of places. Knowing the Offense wasn't going to win games, a bad day was always going to be a big reason we got blown out. But for once me made the playoffs, and are one year closer to getting the components on front 7 D McD wants to work with. It was really the best of both worlds when it's all said and done. I can gripe about how our front 7 could be marginally better had we not immediately forced the scheme change for front 7, just as I gripe about the Chargers game. But we made the playoffs, invested in the pieces we need to improve on both sides. It's really on Beane at this point to make sure he drafted right. 

 

We all now one trade up draft gamble can set us aside, make or break the regime, and this was the draft gamble. Whaley did the exact same thing in his draft gamble, but the one thing I give him credit for is taking his existing peices and running with it. He didn't blow up the team to show he's in charge, and had the best team we've had the whole drought (luck didn't go our way that time). Everybody said it wasn't Whaley's team because it wasn't.. but that's a positive, a GM that didn't fix what didn't need to be broken. We see other GMs step in and go "this ain't my vision", and may dump Mario, Hughes, McKelvin, whatever. His draft didn't pan out and we got Wrexed.

 

That's what it's all going to come down to for Beane. He retooled heavily and still made the playoffs, it was fantastic. If we have a philosophy to really build around a specific style of football, we better make darn sure we execute. I give more credit to McD than anything. Despite some blunders (IMO), best coaching season we had in the drought. For once we won the games we were expected to win. And upset the Falcons.. That's really all it takes for a good coach, win the games we should. 2014 would have broken the drought with a much better record if that happened. It's Beane I'm still reserving judgement on.

 

We might be moving on the 2-D chess boys. THE PROCESS.

Edited June 29, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Defensive guys go with the d they know

 

 

Correction.  Most coaches go with the scheme they know.  Championship winning coaches go with the scheme that works with their players.

 

 

[Cripple Creek]

On 6/26/2018 at 10:23 PM, Avisan said:

We lucked in at 9-7 when previous seasons it had been insufficient.  I'm happy for last season's berth, but I'm expecting our offense to struggle even more this season.

So, you do not see that the team moved in a positive direction in 2017?

[Bing Bong]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Correction.  Most coaches go with the scheme they know.  Championship winning coaches go with the scheme that works with their players.

 

 

Yep, I said 2 posts above, Wade Phillips specifically said he adjusts his d to his personnel. A defensive coordinator thinks the only time he's gotten success is the only way. OCs, coaches, all of them. If I was taking over for Schwartz I'd say to myself "wow! he was really successful, I should build off of his defensive approach"

 

But the sentiment for most seems like "Schwartz had a flash in a pan, I'm going to overhaul this to get my defensive scheme I had working (likely less successful the year prior), and show how it's really done.

 

I think Schwartz is one of the better coordinators in that regard. He saw Pettine sacking the heck out of people and came in saying let's keep the aggression Pettine had working for him, and add some of my kinks that I think will work better for this Dareus fella. If was a change in the defenses he ran prior in Detroit and Tennesee, more aggressive (the philosophy Pettine used was the blueprint), yet still had his fingerprints on what he saw could better. To his strength, the only single personnel I think Schwartz really needs is one of the premier DTs, but he doesn't need the best at the position. He made Haynesworth, drafted Suh, utilized Dareus to the max, and of course now hangs his hat on Fletcher Cox. But it is not a coincidence that these guys had their career years under Schwartz. He needs the talent sure, but he maximizes that talent. every. time. and has these guys as the premier players at their position when they play with his scheme. So he's not demanding on his personnel for preexisting. He's maximizing the personnel. He doesn't throw up his hands because he doesn't have Aaron Donald, he makes his DT look like Aaron Donald.

1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

So, you do not see that the team moved in a positive direction in 2017?

I do personally. But offensively we could be a disaster. To those he say it couldn't be worse... It could be much much worse.

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Correction.  Most coaches go with the scheme they know.  Championship winning coaches go with the scheme that works with their players.

 

 

And it did....the D improved and we made the playoffs.

 

I know ppl dont like to talk about it but we are in fact in the middle of a soft rebiuld.....when you do this you are not even supposed to make the playoffs yet we did find a way.

 

This is the hard year because of all the dead money.....yet if the draft ends up being strong we may STILL end  up being competative.

[Bing Bong]

9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

And it did....the D improved and we made the playoffs.

 

I know ppl dont like to talk about it but we are in fact in the middle of a soft rebiuld.....when you do this you are not even supposed to make the playoffs yet we did find a way.

 

 This is the hard year because of all the dead money.....yet if the draft ends up being strong we may STILL end  up being competative.

right we went with a scheme McD knew, but certainly different from the defense we see in Carolina. Made the playoffs babee!

 

Point is the season, and grand scheme of things in a "rebuild" are totally different mindsets. A championship caliber coach is always trying to win, using scheme that works with the players he has. Has nothing to do with a rebuild. That's the GMs problem. The coach gets a few more gadgets to work with next season that he wants to use based on his shortcomings the year before, and again.. uses a scheme to work with the players he have. McDermott is not rebuilding. He's coaching winning football, if he's trying to do any less than I don't want him there. Beane is rebuilding.

 

For McDermott, every season should be a vacuum where he makes the most out of the 53 he is given. Players and coaches with any sort of competitive nature don't give a damn about a rebuild when it's week 10, 5-5 having poured so much work, sacrificed bodies, to get there, and having so much left to go and prove.

[John from Riverside]

34 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

right we went with a scheme McD knew, but certainly different from the defense we see in Carolina. Made the playoffs babee!

 

Point is the season, and grand scheme of things in a "rebuild" are totally different mindsets. A championship caliber coach is always trying to win, using scheme that works with the players he has. Has nothing to do with a rebuild. That's the GMs problem. The coach gets a few more gadgets to work with next season that he wants to use based on his shortcomings the year before, and again.. uses a scheme to work with the players he have. McDermott is not rebuilding. He's coaching winning football, if he's trying to do any less than I don't want him there. Beane is rebuilding.

 

For McDermott, every season should be a vacuum where he makes the most out of the 53 he is given. Players and coaches with any sort of competitive nature don't give a damn about a rebuild when it's week 10, 5-5 having poured so much work, sacrificed bodies, to get there, and having so much left to go and prove.

I am not quite sure what the discussion is then....because obviously McD is doing that.

 

I do think that he knows what he has....he has even said in interviews that ppl should temper expectations.   You can slowly see the team transform into more of his vision of what he is looking for in players......primodonnas are dissapearing off the books being replaced by "process" guys.

 

I think this will end up being a interesting year because of all the dead cap and not being aggressive improving the offensive side of the ball.

[Bing Bong]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I am not quite sure what the discussion is then....because obviously McD is doing that.

We disagree that Ragland would have been a solid piece to keep. That's fine. 

 

If we're both agreeing that coaches, coordinators should adapt to personnel than that's what I (and I believe Hapless too if I can speak for him) was just trying to get across.

 

This Ragland trade was one thing that worried me about McD's mindset which brought all this up. He didn't have character problems and was a good LB last year. Goes back to using Personnel. We disagree if he would have been capable not a big deal. I just hope it's not an indication he can't adapt to what he's given.

[Bing Bong]

 

I don't like seeing people we trade away for marginal returns do well as is the case with Ragland and Dareus. Don't need choir boys on the team. If Dareus can perform back to his capability than we've seen 2 coordinators (McD and Rex) that failed and 2 (Schwartz and Jags dude) that proved capable of managing high maintenance talent.

 

Character issues can be trouble to the locker room, but that's a reflection of a coach that can't manage it too. Rebuilding for the sake of removing problem players is the easy way, easy excuse for the reality that you couldn't bring out the best in someone when others have.

 

Many of the greatest coaches are the ones that can babysit a guy, get him to buy into a winning style of play.

 

Unless what I just said contradicts THE PROCESS. I do not speak ill of THE PROCESS. Please don't ban me mods. ?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

And it did....the D improved and we made the playoffs.

 

Why do you feel the D improved?

I feel they overperformed. 

 

But by most metrics, we either stayed about the same or got worse last year.

 

What is the evidence that the D improved between 2016 and 2017?

[Threedollabills]

20 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

We did not have them.

I think part of the point is, we had nothing better.

 

Perhaps McD is correct in His Method of Defense.
But he had some skills sets to work with. he should have played a hybrid 3-4 heavy downs one and 2 and used safeties as a package. He had the players including Dareus.
We can see he is building his Defense, and that might well be the Cats Pajamas. But maybe he should have worked with what he had for a season. actually thats my opinion i just put forth

Uh, you mean the panther's pyjamas. I don't agree because there are guys on D who got a lot of work in last year on THIS D. Secondary should lead the league in INTs as Vontae will pick it up quickly and the rest already know it. Shaq will have a good year. McD loves to rotate the line so he can have fresh guys in the 4th and I think Shaq will thrive. Word.

2 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

 

I don't like seeing people we trade away for marginal returns do well as is the case with Ragland and Dareus. Don't need choir boys on the team. If Dareus can perform back to his capability than we've seen 2 coordinators (McD and Rex) that failed and 2 (Schwartz and Jags dude) that proved capable of managing high maintenance talent.

 

Character issues can be trouble to the locker room, but that's a reflection of a coach that can't manage it too. Rebuilding for the sake of removing problem players is the easy way, easy excuse for the reality that you couldn't bring out the best in someone when others have.

 

Many of the greatest coaches are the ones that can babysit a guy, get him to buy into a winning style of play.

 

Unless what I just said contradicts THE PROCESS. I do not speak ill of THE PROCESS. Please don't ban me mods. ?

McD wants die hard soldiers...no stupid children allowed. Dareus was my fav player and the best draft pick we've made since he was drafted. If he could become a soldier  he'd still be there. He is Dick Marrone's problem now.  I hope Shaq can become a soldier for real.

Edited June 29, 2018 by Threedollabills

[3rdand12]

17 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Rex

not rex. he outsmarted everyone. including Bills defense and himself

5 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

right we went with a scheme McD knew, but certainly different from the defense we see in Carolina. Made the playoffs babee!

 

Point is the season, and grand scheme of things in a "rebuild" are totally different mindsets. A championship caliber coach is always trying to win, using scheme that works with the players he has. Has nothing to do with a rebuild. That's the GMs problem. The coach gets a few more gadgets to work with next season that he wants to use based on his shortcomings the year before, and again.. uses a scheme to work with the players he have. McDermott is not rebuilding. He's coaching winning football, if he's trying to do any less than I don't want him there. Beane is rebuilding.

 

For McDermott, every season should be a vacuum where he makes the most out of the 53 he is given. Players and coaches with any sort of competitive nature don't give a damn about a rebuild when it's week 10, 5-5 having poured so much work, sacrificed bodies, to get there, and having so much left to go and prove.

I am surprised at myself.

 I am really startin' to like your posts.

Please continue : )

[3rdand12]

5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I am not quite sure what the discussion is then....because obviously McD is doing that.

 

I do think that he knows what he has....he has even said in interviews that ppl should temper expectations.   You can slowly see the team transform into more of his vision of what he is looking for in players......primodonnas are dissapearing off the books being replaced by "process" guys.

 

I think this will end up being a interesting year because of all the dead cap and not being aggressive improving the offensive side of the ball.

Hard to tell what to make of the Bills this coming season.

I cannot expect to be surprised because, then it would not be a surprise would it ?

Temper my expectations again this year is wise. Told my friends i I asked for last year was progress, steady progress. And Team building. Rex had destroyed any chemistry or confidence i felt.
 looks like we have ourselves a bona fide NFL Football Team. and perhaps relevant as well.
Patience is still the mantra though for me.

 

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

We disagree that Ragland would have been a solid piece to keep. That's fine. 

 

If we're both agreeing that coaches, coordinators should adapt to personnel than that's what I (and I believe Hapless too if I can speak for him) was just trying to get across.

 

This Ragland trade was one thing that worried me about McD's mindset which brought all this up. He didn't have character problems and was a good LB last year. Goes back to using Personnel. We disagree if he would have been capable not a big deal. I just hope it's not an indication he can't adapt to what he's given.

I was having the same commentary as well. Could McD not run a 3-4 with Preston and Ragland. Could have picked up a hybrid S/LB for the nickel and dime. a good one.

[Bing Bong]

6 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

am surprised at myself.

 I am really startin' to like your posts.

Please continue : )

Nah u give me your thoughts

5 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

I was having the same commentary as well. Could McD not run a 3-4 with Preston and Ragland. Could have picked up a hybrid S/LB for the nickel and dime. a good one.

Or keep how about just keep Ragland over Humber lol. Enlighten me.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

We disagree that Ragland would have been a solid piece to keep. That's fine. 

 

If we're both agreeing that coaches, coordinators should adapt to personnel than that's what I (and I believe Hapless too if I can speak for him) was just trying to get across.

 

This Ragland trade was one thing that worried me about McD's mindset which brought all this up. He didn't have character problems and was a good LB last year. Goes back to using Personnel. We disagree if he would have been capable not a big deal. I just hope it's not an indication he can't adapt to what he's given.

 

You are speaking for me correctly.

 

I was shocked at the timing of the Dareus trade and the return we got, but I recovered from it after a few games (just like our remaining D).  He's talented, but at this point he's a shadow of what he was back in 2014.  And as I've said elsewhere, the highest paid players have to be the leaders, the ones who buy in most fully, come early, stay late, play hard on every down. That wasn't Dareus.  So I didn't like it but I saw the point - we got salary cap relief 2019-forward and a minor pick, OK.

 

What bothered me more was Ragland, Darby, and to some extent Sammy.   The former two were young guys on their first contract who had no "knocks" against them for lack of work ethic or getting in trouble in the league.  It may be part of some big plan, or it may be lack of adaptability/flexibility on the part of the coach, time will tell.

[JohnC]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You are speaking for me correctly.

 

I was shocked at the timing of the Dareus trade and the return we got, but I recovered from it after a few games (just like our remaining D).  He's talented, but at this point he's a shadow of what he was back in 2014.  And as I've said elsewhere, the highest paid players have to be the leaders, the ones who buy in most fully, come early, stay late, play hard on every down. That wasn't Dareus.  So I didn't like it but I saw the point - we got salary cap relief 2019-forward and a minor pick, OK.

 

What bothered me more was Ragland, Darby, and to some extent Sammy.   The former two were young guys on their first contract who had no "knocks" against them for lack of work ethic or getting in trouble in the league.  It may be part of some big plan, or it may be lack of adaptability/flexibility on the part of the coach, time will tell.

Especially Ragland he was not a fit for the scheme that  McDermott's was going to run. The LB profile that is accentuated in his defense is an ability to cover. Ragland was a rugged thumper who was more suited in a 3-4 that emphasized run stopping. Also, Darby was not a good fit for McDermott's  backfield scheme that emphasized zone play and an ability to tackle. Darby was more of a man to man cover DB. The issue here is not whether they are good players but rather are they suitable for your defense. 

 

The recent historical problem for this organization is that has been subjected to a constant state of flux. The constant churning of coaching staffs and changing philosophies has been detrimental to building a stable roster. That certainly was manifested when Rex arrived and changed the defense to the scheme he was married to. The results were disastrous. 

 

It's my belief that McDermott is going to have the time to bring in players that suit his approach to the game. Sticking with a plan instead of constantly lurching back and forth on both sides of the ball will be beneficial in establishing a direction and steadily moving forward in a more coherent way. 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, JohnC said:

Especially Ragland he was not a fit for the scheme that  McDermott's was going to run. The LB profile that is accentuated in his defense is an ability to cover. Ragland was a rugged thumper who was more suited in a 3-4 that emphasized run stopping. Also, Darby was not a good fit for McDermott's  backfield scheme that emphasized zone play and an ability to tackle. Darby was more of a man to man cover DB. The issue here is not whether they are good players but rather are they suitable for your defense. 

 

The recent historical problem for this organization is that has been subjected to a constant state of flux. The constant churning of coaching staffs and changing philosophies has been detrimental to building a stable roster. That certainly was manifested when Rex arrived and changed the defense to the scheme he was married to. The results were disastrous. 

 

It's my belief that McDermott is going to have the time to bring in players that suit his approach to the game. Sticking with a plan instead of constantly lurching back and forth on both sides of the ball will be beneficial in establishing a direction and steadily moving forward in a more coherent way. 

 

 

 

 

This ties back to the single argument that Coaches make best use of Talent via scheme. Your points are solid.
 

McBeanes have a recipe they are going to stick to , generally speaking. i do like where it is going. But i had to watch the season unfold before i felt that way.

12 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Nah u give me your thoughts

Or keep how about just keep Ragland over Humber lol. Enlighten me.

I am not one for making a case. More of an observer. why i enjoy some of the great " back and forth"  here from most of you good Folks !
 

I just wrote a note ^ that may explain my view points.
 

PS  Humber and  Ragland are very different players of course.

 Humber ? a special teams ace and back up LB who is athletic and smart enough
Keeping Ragland might have been as effective on Teams and as run down backer.
 

[ColoradoBills]

I for one am glad the McDermott did not change his entire defensive philosophy (4-3 to 3-4) because of Reggie Ragland.

For the record, I don't think Wade Phillips would change his entire defense for a guy who was IR'd his entire rookie season

and had, to that point, never taken a snap in an NFL regular season game.

 

I guess, I'm missing something here.  I feel much better with Edmunds in McDermott's 4-3 than Ragland starting in a

forced McDermott 3-4.

[BringBackOrton]

23 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

We disagree that Ragland would have been a solid piece to keep. That's fine. 

 

If we're both agreeing that coaches, coordinators should adapt to personnel than that's what I (and I believe Hapless too if I can speak for him) was just trying to get across.

 

This Ragland trade was one thing that worried me about McD's mindset which brought all this up. He didn't have character problems and was a good LB last year. Goes back to using Personnel. We disagree if he would have been capable not a big deal. I just hope it's not an indication he can't adapt to what he's given.

What does this mean?  How do you "adapt" to Ragland in McD's scheme?

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3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

What does this mean?  How do you "adapt" to Ragland in McD's scheme?

Weight loss pills, a time machine and take the bricks off of his feet.

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2 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Weight loss pills, a time machine and take the bricks off of his feet.

I guess some folks wanted to run a variation of Rex's scheme on 15% of our defensive plays, so Ragland could see the field every once of a while and we could pat ourselves on the back that we "adapted" while allowing a 60 yard run.

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5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

I for one am glad the McDermott did not change his entire defensive philosophy (4-3 to 3-4) because of Reggie Ragland.

For the record, I don't think Wade Phillips would change his entire defense for a guy who was IR'd his entire rookie season

and had, to that point, never taken a snap in an NFL regular season game.

 

I guess, I'm missing something here.  I feel much better with Edmunds in McDermott's 4-3 than Ragland starting in a

forced McDermott 3-4.

You did notice how bad Bills were against the run ? 

  I do not think the point is adapting to just one player Colorado.  just a matter of flexibility by Coach. Could he have ?

 

 Wade Phillips is the King of tuning a defense . And sets the bar IMHO.

 

 If McDermott decided to run a andjusted form of his defenses and needed new payers to do that ? Thats fine.
Just trying to suggest he made a conscious decision to rebuild

14 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

I for one am glad the McDermott did not change his entire defensive philosophy (4-3 to 3-4) because of Reggie Ragland.

For the record, I don't think Wade Phillips would change his entire defense for a guy who was IR'd his entire rookie season

and had, to that point, never taken a snap in an NFL regular season game.

 

I guess, I'm missing something here.  I feel much better with Edmunds in McDermott's 4-3 than Ragland starting in a

forced McDermott 3-4.

Keep in mind Bills did not have Edmunds when they relieved Ragland of his duties, They had Brown. another thumper. whom they let go. before they had Edmunds.
 

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1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said:

You did notice how bad Bills were against the run ? 

  I do not think the point is adapting to just one player Colorado.  just a matter of flexibility by Coach. Could he have ?

 

 Wade Phillips is the King of tuning a defense . And sets the bar IMHO.

 

 If McDermott decided to run a andjusted form of his defenses and needed new payers to do that ? Thats fine.
Just trying to suggest he made a conscious decision to rebuild

All due respect 3rd, but Wade and BB are in a class among themselves.  They get praised for their scheme versatility so much because it is so rare and hard to do. 

 

I'm going to come right out and say it.  McD isn't as good of a defensive mind as BB and Wade.  That's okay. I think he knows that too.  And that's the most important thing.  Coaches who outsmart themselves never succeed.

19 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

I for one am glad the McDermott did not change his entire defensive philosophy (4-3 to 3-4) because of Reggie Ragland.

For the record, I don't think Wade Phillips would change his entire defense for a guy who was IR'd his entire rookie season

and had, to that point, never taken a snap in an NFL regular season game.

 

I guess, I'm missing something here.  I feel much better with Edmunds in McDermott's 4-3 than Ragland starting in a

forced McDermott 3-4.

Hey man, this is the NFL.  Defensive coordinators regularly change their entire schemes for the sake of a rookie player, drafted by a different GM for a different coach, who is coming off an ACL tear.  Wake up!

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1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

All due respect 3rd, but Wade and BB are in a class among themselves.  They get praised for their scheme versatility so much because it is so rare and hard to do. 

 

I'm going to come right out and say it.  McD isn't as good of a defensive mind as BB and Wade.  That's okay. I think he knows that too.  And that's the most important thing.  Coaches who outsmart themselves never succeed.

Thank you for the generous message of respect !
Yes they are. You were correct to mention the one i cannot name as well.
 I cannot type or say  his names for fear of him appearing. 

 Huge fan of Wade Phillips

 Loathe and despise every and any thing Patriots

 

 Fair point on McD. Young and learning OTJ. Nothing wrong with that. as they say " he's got potential "

 and yes Rex was one to do just that.