3-man QB competitions of Buffalo yore

[Buffalo86]

It looks like we have the makings of another 3-man QB competition.  Who were you rooting for* when this happened before, and why? 

 

1. 2015:  EJ Manuel vs Matt Cassel vs Tyrod Taylor
    
2. 2006:  JP Losman vs Kelly Holcomb vs Craig Nall

 

*Yes, of course we all just wanted whichever guy was best for the team.  

[Lfod]

2015 I wanted Tyrod to win. I thought he could be a playmaker being a dual threat. I was supportive up until last season. It was time to put up. It didn't happen and I've moved on. 

 

Tyrod out of all those guys you listed would be my starting QB though. I don't like other teams run down QBs and I don't think EJ was ever competition for Tyrod. 

 

QB competitions are not fun when it's the best of the worst. We have a Bengals back up QB, the 5 interception guy and a rookie. It doesn't feel like a competition to me. 

Edited June 15, 2018 by Lfod

[billsredneck1]

I think the better question would be when was the last time we had a legitimate 3 way? I was a. Tuel supporter and thought he could develop but the arrogance of coaching carousels never allowed young draftees to grow.

[Augie]

As they say, if you have TWO QB’s you don’t have any. If you have THREE, you have to contents of a Porto-potty. But WE are the exception! We have THREE franchise QB’s!

 

I read that somewhere.....

Edited June 15, 2018 by Augie

[NoSaint]

25 minutes ago, Buffalo86 said:

It looks like we have the makings of another 3-man QB competition.  Who were you rooting for* when this happened before, and why? 

 

1. 2015:  EJ Manuel vs Matt Cassel vs Tyrod Taylor
    
2. 2006:  JP Losman vs Kelly Holcomb vs Craig Nall

 

*Yes, of course we all just wanted whichever guy was best for the team.  

 

Who really thinks this is a 3 man competition? It might be a stretch to call it a 2 man. Realistically it’s allen against himself.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

 

Who really thinks this is a 3 man competition? It might be a stretch to call it a 2 man. Realistically it’s allen against himself.

 

Well, sure....if you want to be all....realistic!   ?

[Aussie Joe]

That 2006 competition must have been something.,.

 

 

[Buffalo86]

1 hour ago, Lfod said:

2015 I wanted Tyrod to win. I thought he could be a playmaker being a dual threat. I was supportive up until last season. It was time to put up. It didn't happen and I've moved on. 

 

Tyrod out of all those guys you listed would be my starting QB though. I don't like other teams run down QBs and I don't think EJ was ever competition for Tyrod. 

 

QB competitions are not fun when it's the best of the worst. We have a Bengals back up QB, the 5 interception guy and a rookie. It doesn't feel like a competition to me. 

 

I feel/felt the exact same way about Tyrod.  Thought he had the most upside, was excited when he won the job & had some early success, but got tired of waiting for him to take that next step.  As for EJ, I absolutely saw him as competition, if only because he was our former 1st round pick, being championed by our GM.

1 hour ago, billsredneck1 said:

I think the better question would be when was the last time we had a legitimate 3 way? I was a. Tuel supporter and thought he could develop but the arrogance of coaching carousels never allowed young draftees to grow.

 

I say it was 2015.  EJ was our 1st round pick, Cassel was the (relatively) steady veteran, and Tyrod was the dark horse with crazy athletic ability.  

 

And in fairness, Tuel wasn't a draftee.

Edited June 15, 2018 by Buffalo86

[Talley56]

In each case I rooted for the guy who was supposed to be our potential franchise QB at the time, Tyrod in 2015 and JP in 2006.  And yet again I am rooting for Allen.  I hope our franchise QB can outperform a QB who has only ever been a 2nd stringer and one who threw 5 picks in his 1st half of action.

[Buffalo86]

55 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

That 2006 competition must have been something.,.

 

 

 

Nall was supposedly looking pretty good, until he pulled a hamstring on the second day of camp.  That was that.

[HalftimeAdjustment]

1 hour ago, Buffalo86 said:

It looks like we have the makings of another 3-man QB competition.  Who were you rooting for* when this happened before, and why? 

 

1. 2015:  EJ Manuel vs Matt Cassel vs Tyrod Taylor
    
2. 2006:  JP Losman vs Kelly Holcomb vs Craig Nall

 

*Yes, of course we all just wanted whichever guy was best for the team.  

 

I forgot there were actually people calling for "Nall ball".

[Buffalo86]

11 minutes ago, Talley56 said:

In each case I rooted for the guy who was supposed to be our potential franchise QB at the time, Tyrod in 2015 and JP in 2006.  And yet again I am rooting for Allen.  I hope our franchise QB can outperform a QB who has only ever been a 2nd stringer and one who threw 5 picks in his 1st half of action.

 

I rooted for Nall in 2006, mainly because he was the unknown & what I thought I knew about the other two guys wasn't good.  

 

Near impossible to deny that Allen has the most future upside of our current three.  But, it sounds like he needs some refinement, so time on the bench seems pretty likely.  At the same time, he had a horrible O-line & WRs in college, so that may have prepared him well for this team.  If the Bills don't think they're making the playoffs with Peterman & McCarron (with the potential of those two being separated by a coin flip, imo), why not start the process now? 

[row_33]

1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

That 2006 competition must have been something.,.

 

 

 

Totally forgotten and mental antibodies are rushing in to prevent any unwanted nostalgia

 

 

[eball]

9 hours ago, billsredneck1 said:

I think the better question would be when was the last time we had a legitimate 3 way? I was a. Tuel supporter and thought he could develop but the arrogance of coaching carousels never allowed young draftees to grow.

 

Probably belongs on Off The Wall.

[Seanbillsfan2206]

I’m not convinced that Peterman is actually in the competition for starting QB. Let’s see how these guys do in training camp first

[Gugny]

What would an illegitimate 3-way look like?

[JoeF]

11 minutes ago, Gugny said:

What would an illegitimate 3-way look like?

 

Father, Son, and Holy Ghost...You know who is supposed to win.  One exists only as imaginary figment.  The other was crucified and rose from the dead.

 

Besides, the Bills need prayers right now.

 

 

Edited June 15, 2018 by JoeF

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

18 hours ago, Buffalo86 said:

It looks like we have the makings of another 3-man QB competition.  Who were you rooting for* when this happened before, and why? 

 

1. 2015:  EJ Manuel vs Matt Cassel vs Tyrod Taylor
    
2. 2006:  JP Losman vs Kelly Holcomb vs Craig Nall

 

*Yes, of course we all just wanted whichever guy was best for the team.  

2006:  JP Losman vs Kelly Holcomb vs Craig Nall-actually go back to the 2004 pre-draft hype by the pundits about Losman; "heir apparent gunslinger going to the Pack at 23"; after Donohole whiffed on Ben, he gave up a ton for Losman who was premature;ly rushed into service to save face; he was either THE BOMB.COM or BOMBED.COM with no in between; serious case of happy feet;  don't think Fairchild did the 2006 trio any favors.

 

2015:  EJ Manuel vs Matt Cassel vs Tyrod Taylor-going back to 2013 draft, Nix's 1st choice was Gnome until they worked him out and interviewed him; EJ was second fiddle and FSU had not produced any rising QB stars; think he was chosen based on size and arm strength only; Manuel had no confidence nor couls he adapt to the speed of the game (ie. reads, progressions, etc) at the NFL level; Roman went nuts internally at OBD when Cassel was traded and TT was his starter.

 

2018: McCarron vs Allen vs Peterman-would say this trio can the potential to be the best since Kelly, Reich + (1); McCarron was virtually untested with Bungles despite being a steady Eddie, cerebral game manager with 'Bama, netting TWO national championships; like the Peterman kid's progress so far in 2018; has shown promise with the mental aspect of the game at this level; the five pick anomaly in 2017 rests squarely on Dennison who rushed a 5th round greenhorn into service because he hardly put forth his "best effort" working with TT from week to week; Allen is next up; big kid, strong arm but a helluva work ethic to improve; McD has been spot on letting him work with 3rd string a/k/a  baby steps to exposure at theis level, smart developmental steps that OBD's "Directors of QB Development & Training" have notably and woefully BLOWN since Kelly; possible final pecking order may be McCarron, Allen with Peterman to PS (may not make it there) with #1 and #2 possibly changing at some point; of McBeane may keep all on the active 53 and hedge his bets that someone comes calling with a trade proposition due to injury......gonna be interesting IMO....

 

[RochesterRob]

18 hours ago, Buffalo86 said:

It looks like we have the makings of another 3-man QB competition.  Who were you rooting for* when this happened before, and why? 

 

1. 2015:  EJ Manuel vs Matt Cassel vs Tyrod Taylor
    
2. 2006:  JP Losman vs Kelly Holcomb vs Craig Nall

 

*Yes, of course we all just wanted whichever guy was best for the team.  

  Not really an open competition but in 1985 you had Vince Ferragamo, Bruce Mathison, and Frank Reich with the season showing that nobody had earned the right  to be declared the incumbent.  Should note Reich was drafted that year so no doubt he was not seriously considered for starter during camp.  Maybe somebody who attended camp then can tell me otherwise.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

In Nall We Trust. 

[BigDingus]

We technically had more if you want to believe those coaches heading into training camp.

Kelvin Kolb, EJ Manuel & Jeff Tuel....Kolb took himself out of that one.

Also, I think in 2009 we had a competition between Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick & Brian Brohm lol

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

23 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

We technically had more if you want to believe those coaches heading into training camp.

Kelvin Kolb, EJ Manuel & Jeff Tuel....Kolb took himself out of that one.

Also, I think in 2009 we had a competition between Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick & Brian Brohm lol

 

 

...NONE whatsoever......Spent Trent was THE anointed starter period....Fitz was signed as the well traveled journeyman to back him up period.....

[Buffalo_Stampede]

20 hours ago, Buffalo86 said:

It looks like we have the makings of another 3-man QB competition.  Who were you rooting for* when this happened before, and why? 

 

1. 2015:  EJ Manuel vs Matt Cassel vs Tyrod Taylor
    
2. 2006:  JP Losman vs Kelly Holcomb vs Craig Nall

 

*Yes, of course we all just wanted whichever guy was best for the team.  

1st time with a rookie 1st round pick. This is by far the best way to do it.

[BigDingus]

3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...NONE whatsoever......Spent Trent was THE anointed starter period....Fitz was signed as the well traveled journeyman to back him up period.....

 

Are you suuuuuureee?

I remember all 3 guys got to start at some point, and there being a genuine desire to "see what Brohm can do," not only on the boards, but by management.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

Are you suuuuuureee?

I remember all 3 guys got to start at some point, and there being a genuine desire to "see what Brohm can do," not only on the boards, but by management.

 

...eventually yes......and Brohm got the BROOM......

[GRHater69]

I miss the good old days of Ferguson/Marangi/Hunter..........

[jr1]

you can't stop Craig Nall, you can only hope to contain him

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, BigDingus said:

Also, I think in 2009 we had a competition between Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick & Brian Brohm lol

 

So it was said, but it was also pretty clear that TE was the "annointed one" and the other guys had to clearly beat him out.

Instead, Fitzy looked like crap through OTA and TC.  TE clearly looked better.  Brohm as I recall looked like he was ~ on a level with Fitzy.

Then when regular season came, it was clear Trentative was a deer in the headlights, Fitz could play in the NFL, and Brohm couldn't.

 

That was my personal lesson not to put too much weight on how guys look in shorts, or even once the pads go on in training camp.

[Buffalo86]

2 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

Are you suuuuuureee?

I remember all 3 guys got to start at some point, and there being a genuine desire to "see what Brohm can do," not only on the boards, but by management.

 

They said there would be a competition, but Gailey ended up deciding very early on that Edwards would get all/most of the first team reps.  And then he was cut after 2 games.

[Freddie's Dead]

I rooted for EJ and JP.  Ultimately they ended the same way in Buffalo.  EJ's Buffalo-career-ending INT looked a lot like the JP Buffalo-career-ending fumble six.  The look of utter defeat on both their faces was gut wrenching.

Edited June 16, 2018 by Freddie's Dead

[Pasaluki]

8 hours ago, BigDingus said:

We technically had more if you want to believe those coaches heading into training camp.

Kelvin Kolb, EJ Manuel & Jeff Tuel....Kolb took himself out of that one.

Also, I think in 2009 we had a competition between Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick & Brian Brohm lol

 

 

Kolb I think would have been a pretty good QB for us but he had an almost magnetic attraction to suffering severe head trauma. 

 

I actually think this qb battle isnt as heinous as some others in prior years. 

 

It looks terrible on paper yes but so far none of the qbs has stunk it up so im vaguely optimistic.

[Dan]

9 hours ago, JoeF said:

 

Father, Son, and Holy Ghost...You know who is supposed to win.  One exists only as imaginary figment.  The other was crucified and rose from the dead.

 

Besides, the Bills need prayers right now.

 

 

The Chroisen One had no competition.

[Foreigner]

Why is our coach so in love with Nathan (pick six) Peterman?

 

Is it because he is a good practice QB or some other mysterious reason? I can't figure it out so please

help me.

You better hope there is no Peterman 2.0.

[Kirby Jackson]

On 6/14/2018 at 8:25 PM, Buffalo86 said:

It looks like we have the makings of another 3-man QB competition.  Who were you rooting for* when this happened before, and why? 

 

1. 2015:  EJ Manuel vs Matt Cassel vs Tyrod Taylor
    
2. 2006:  JP Losman vs Kelly Holcomb vs Craig Nall

 

*Yes, of course we all just wanted whichever guy was best for the team.  

Tyrod, Losman, Allen

[BigBuff423]

On 6/14/2018 at 9:51 PM, NoSaint said:

 

Who really thinks this is a 3 man competition? It might be a stretch to call it a 2 man. Realistically it’s allen against himself.

 

That's a fair statement for several reasons, all of which I think are obvious and don't require elaboration on my part. That said, while Allen may be the starter in Week 1, I think McD / Daboll and Beane have already decided. IMHO, unless Allen exceeds a really high bar for what the coaches / execs are going to consider "standard" - i think they feel his long-term development is MORE important than putting him in this year, regardless of how the other two play. That is to say, if he's still showing signs of Rookie-itis, even if that puts him above Peterman and AJ, I don't think he plays. I also think that if they deem him ready to start by Week 1, then he has exceeded their expectations by a wide margin because if it's close, again, I don't think he starts until they're damn sure he's going to be the starter for the rest of his career...no benching, no games where he's in one half and out the next. Just my .02...

Edited June 18, 2018 by BigBuff423

[GunnerBill]

I was an ABC in 2015 - Anyone But Cassel. Early on that made me pull for EJ because I knew nothing of Tyrod. Once it became clear he could play I wanted Tyrod. 

 

In 2006 I was less invested in training camps I used to switch on when the season started but broadly I still wanted to believe there was something there in Losman so probably him. 

[Roundybout]

19 hours ago, Foreigner said:

Why is our coach so in love with Nathan (pick six) Peterman?

 

Is it because he is a good practice QB or some other mysterious reason? I can't figure it out so please

help me.

You better hope there is no Peterman 2.0.

 

Probably because he didn't get rattled after throwing so many picks and had a solid showing in the snow bowl. 

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

That's a fair statement for several reasons, all of which I think are obvious and don't require elaboration on my part. That said, while Allen may be the starter in Week 1, I think McD / Daboll and Beane have already decided. IMHO, unless Allen exceeds a really high bar for what the coaches / execs are going to consider "standard" - i think they feel his long-term development is MORE important than putting him in this year, regardless of how the other two play. That is to say, if he's still showing signs of Rookie-itis, even if that puts him above Peterman and AJ, I don't think he plays. I also think that if they deem him ready to start by Week 1, then he has exceeded their expectations by a wide margin because if it's close, again, I don't think he starts until they're damn sure he's going to be the starter for the rest of his career...no benching, no games where he's in one half and out the next. Just my .02...

 

Generally, I’m sure the goal is to roll with him uninterrupted. 

 

And even if he doesnt start day 1, I’ll maintain the others really aren’t any real competition. No one in our front office is seriously considering mccarron or peterman being “the guy.” McCarron is like your spare change jar, and peterman a lottery ticket- they are real but you don’t really expect them to truly change you financial planning.

[BigBuff423]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

 

Generally, I’m sure the goal is to roll with him uninterrupted. 

 

And even if he doesnt start day 1, I’ll maintain the others really aren’t any real competition. No one in our front office is seriously considering mccarron or peterman being “the guy.” McCarron is like your spare change jar, and peterman a lottery ticket- they are real but you don’t really expect them to truly change you financial planning.

 

No, I don't think they have thoughts that either McCarron or Nate will be "the guy" beyond 2018, but I'm not so sure that's how the feel for THIS year. I think they're going to stick to their development plan for Josh and given his 5th year option, it buys them a "red shirt" year. Now, of course if Josh Allen comes in and does a whole Russell Wilson thing, then he starts. But, my larger point was that IMHO for Josh Allen to start this year, he would need to far exceed their already lofty expectations for him just to protect against damaging the newly minted future Franchise QB. 

[eball]

Just now, BigBuff423 said:

 

No, I don't think they have thoughts that either McCarron or Nate will be "the guy" beyond 2018, but I'm not so sure that's how the feel for THIS year. I think they're going to stick to their development plan for Josh and given his 5th year option, it buys them a "red shirt" year. Now, of course if Josh Allen comes in and does a whole Russell Wilson thing, then he starts. But, my larger point was that IMHO for Josh Allen to start this year, he would need to far exceed their already lofty expectations for him just to protect against damaging the newly minted future Franchise QB. 

 

I think the notion has been debunked that playing a rookie QB early -- even if he struggles -- will necessarily "damage" him down the road.  I presume you mean his psyche, not that he would be physically injured.

 

I feel like Peterman and McCarron have a slight edge over Allen right now, and that's only because nothing has been done with pads on.  Labeling Allen the 3rd stringer early on was a brilliant move by McD.  Wait until the pads are on and the players see what Allen can do vs. the other two.  It will be an obvious decision, I believe, but they won't have saddled Allen with too much pressure as he learns the offense.